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Well what is it you want in a SA hunt? A specific species, a bird hunt, Quail shoot or the BIG 5? | ||
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Kudu, nyala, bushbuck, warthog. | |||
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NYALA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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I have hunted in South Africa twice, and we all had an absolutely great time. We hunted practically all the species that are indigenous there. Plains game hunts there are great. | |||
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Had an unreal safari with Blaauwkrantz. Would go back tomorrow if I could. Nyala are a must. | |||
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I have only been once, but shot a lot of plains game and had a great time. I am returning in 10 months. I am taking my kids and their enjoyment, and a great experience is what I hope for. As an after thought, I would like to go on some night time predator hunts. But, in reality, as I see my 3 boys in their teenage years I am happier seeing them shoot! Hopefully, their list will be: Kudu, Gemsbok, Warthog, Imapala, Springbuck, and maybe a few other plainsgame species. The second time around should be interesting. I have a little better idea of what to epect! | |||
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To me the most interesting species in RSA are the ones that you can't find readily everywhere else like: Vaal rhebok Mountain reedbuck Cape kudu Cape bushbuck Cape grysbok Nyala Livingstone's suni Red duiker Blue duiker One could make a long and very interesting safari just hunting these. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I reckon the most underrated & underutilised hunting in Africa, esp South Africa is the wingshooting. | |||
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SA has so many species and different biomes that almost anyone can find something they would hunt SA for. The advantages of hunting RSA are easy and cheap logistics (no charters, no connections); variety; and lots of animals, good trophy quality if you are willing to pay for it. The disadvantages are no "real" free-ranging hunts for elephant, buffalo, or lion ... they are all fenced and the animals all have names; and the hunting style tends to be sedentary (in other words shoot from or near the truck). And finally, some species are expensive relative to other countries (klipspringer, kudu, oryx,..) I would mention that for some species RSA is the obvious destination (or pay huge dollars elsewhere). Red duiker, blue duiker, springbok, nyala, black wildebeest .. As a separate comment, bird hunting in RSA is better than almost anywhere else in Africa due to extensive agriculture. First class Rock Pigeon, Francolin, Guineas (these are best hunted by a group of 10 or more hunters), plenty of doves. The only thing they don't excel at is ducks .. not because of a shortage of ducks, but because they don't generally understand the art of duck hunting. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Stalking along the banks of old Limpopo for bushbuck and another two or three big warthogs  Arild Iversen. | |||
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You can hunt all the species Mark mentioned at Blaauwkrantz except Suni And Red Duiker. I took the rest while I was there. | |||
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The next one definitely will be eland, warthog, impala, baboons and maybe hippo and cape buffalo. I have hunted RSA twice and had a great time. | |||
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South Africa is a great country to hunt! I love the variety of animals and scenery!  | |||
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Russ, thats just crap and you know it. "The animals all have names". You should go into politics, you are a gifted man. Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Just returned from the Limpopo six days ago. I took- Sable, nyala, zebra, gemsbuck, waterbuck, impala(2), and vervet monkey. I saw, but did not get a shot at red hartebeest, blesbuck, bushbuck, baboon, springbuck, and several kinds of dikers. I may have missed something. And of course, many species of birds. I was bow hunting. This was my second safari, the previous was last year in Zimbabwe. I sure liked the "less hassle" of hunting in SA. And the game available was fantastic. NRA Patron member | |||
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In my opinion, South Africa and Namibia have the best plains game hunting in Africa, and it's the consequence of the game ranch industry, which has brought back South African game, which had been almost destroyed by farmers. Yes, there are fences, but the fences are more to protect the game from poachers, than to fence them within the ranch. Most of these ranches are huge - circa 40,000 acres, etc. - and the game runs free and is quite wild acting. I'm a big supporter of this approach, because its giving the game - and other wildlife - a place to live by allowing hunters to give them real dollar value. If you're struggling with this concept, I suggest watching this video about a Zimbabwe game ranch - the Bubye Conservancy. Regards, AIU http://www.hunterproud.com/wp-.../Bubye-Valley-11.mov If you can't get this URL to work, PM me and I'll email you the link. | |||
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The wing shooting down there can be some of the best bird shooting out there. It is tough enough to still make it hunting though. The rest of RSA hunting should be warthog shaped though!!  K | |||
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I had a great time hunting in SA in May 2011. Went with Huntershill Safaris and took: Nyala, black springbuck, blesbuck and bushbuck. My dad went with me ..his 1st and only trip to Africa..and had a wonderful time. | |||
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South Africa is just incredible. Many different climates and country types. I have hunted Buffalo in Zimbabwe ( Chirisa ) and South Africa.......South Africa was much less crowded, many more and many better animals, the area I hunted in South Africa was much wilder......Heard lions and Hyeana, Leopard also. Saw lions, Rhino countless Buffalo and many more Elephants than in Zim... Just one mans experience....... | |||
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So let me understand your point. A hunter on a fenced ranch in South Africa comes upon a 60lb elephant bull, or a 44" buffalo bull, and the owner/operator says "gee, we have never seen that one before ... must have jumped the fence". Oh, and the lions are wild and the leopards aren't frozen either. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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This is what you can expect, walk and stalk and good hunting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmrzoH2wF9M PH 47/2015 EC HC 16/2015 EC Ferdi Venter ferdiventer@gmail.com http://www.ferdiventerhunting.com Nature at your doorstep | |||
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So by extrapolation, all Americans are brash uncouth rednecks, all Brits are upper class pommy snobs, all french .. etc. Ja, right | |||
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I have many friends in SA and it my second country so ,perhaps im not totally objective .I love the country ,i love he afrikaners -boers,english portuguese etc-they have huge wild fields ,with plenty of game .The coast is great and even there you have marshes ,and small jungles with a lot of game and too much snakes for my taste. The Karoo is a paradise for a hunters ,the Outenicua muontains with a bit of snow offer great enviroment for mountain hunters and trout fishermen ,and the bush of the north is another different field ,with different game among them the big 5. Wing shooting is great ,you see francolins everywhere, and there are many dedicated wing shooters there .I love South Africa and ill try to hunt there and visit my friends at least once a year .This year ill be hunting with WILLEM DE JAEGER bushpigs and wing shooting plus plains game . www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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I have shot a 65 pound Elephant and two 43" Buffalo in South Africa. No one "new their names" every bit as wild and unfenced as the Save or the BVC. . | |||
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Haven't been yet, but looking to go over summer of 2015. All of the plains-game sounds interesting, I've listened to Dad's hunt stories and wanted to go for a springbok or maybe an eland someday, but I'm most interested in the Volkswagon-size porcupine. I'm mildly amused nobody else is into this particular beast. : ) Between the friends and the journey, I'm sure it's going to be nothing short of epic. I've got to be honest, part of me is terrified going somewhere that is nothing like the west, but at the same time, isn't that why we go? I'll get over it, I'm sure. Can't wait. Efter þvi sem gamlir fuglar sungu, kvököu þeir ungu. Guð hjálpar þeim sem hjálpa sér sjálfir. | |||
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Also, I beg to differ--I am verbose, polite, and the only red on my neck is my brilliantly done tattoo. : D My two cents, of course! #allamericansarerednecks Efter þvi sem gamlir fuglar sungu, kvököu þeir ungu. Guð hjálpar þeim sem hjálpa sér sjálfir. | |||
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+1 Russ has not been around Kruger or near the TransFrontier reserve lately. | |||
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I will be hunting SA in 2015 I am hoping to take Nyala, Springbok, Bushbuck and an Impala. Cannot Wait!!  Relax and light a Cuban. | |||
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No, I have been busy hunting in the Zambezi Valley, where the animals are free to range all the way from Botswana to Mozambique; where the lions are not groomed; and the buffalo don't have ear tags. And I am a South African born and bred so I know what goes on South of the border. Anyone wondered where that pile of short pieces of hosepipe round back of the skinning shed comes from? Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Hi fences in SA?  on the top o that snow covered plateau in the back on the right...I'm sure there's a high fence up there! After being in a "high fenced" area in SA I stopped worrying about it. The animals are more hemmed in by geographical features (hills, valleys, etc.) than they are the fence. (*at least that was the case where I was.) Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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Russ, tell us what goes on "south of the border" and what are the short pieces of hosepipe? | |||
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Hosepipe is used to place over the horns of many animals while transporting them by truck. The hosepipe is removed as the animals are released. I know of one case where an oryx got loose with the hosepipe intact. It was shot before the clients arrived a couple of days later. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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So what exactly is it that you are insinuating Russ? That all animals on Game Ranches in SA are "put and take"? Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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Russ, Thanks for the reply - I appreciate it. I went to your website, and I enjoyed it. I especially like your philosophy about shooting – that is, CSC…Clear, Steady, Close. Great advice! I know about the game-raising and auctioning industry in Southern Africa (I assume also in Namibia), and I admit I cringe a bit about hunting behind-the-wire, even though I've hunted once already in RSA and plan a return trip next. I totally enjoyed my first trip and, and IMO, I had a completely ethical fair-chase hunting experience. Not only that, but I knew my money was going for a good cause. I remain a strong advocate of the South African and Namibian paradigm, because it gives value to the game and is getting their numbers replenished. I rejoice, when I hear about former cattle ranches and the like being restored as wildlife habitat. This game ranch industry, not only provides a place for big game to flourish, but also for all kinds of wildlife...birds, snakes, predators, etc… to flourish, since they all use the same habitat. Sure, there’s going to be some hosepipes, but this is necessary protection for animals with this approach. With the ongoing unparalleled expansion of the human population, what is the alternative? The folks are even encroaching on the edges of the National Parks. I have recently returned from two “real deal” safaris in Mozambique and Tanzania, and it’s clear that the exponentially growing human population is usurping much of the previous wildlife habit, and big game and other wild critters are on the decline. It's sad. Game ranching – as in South Africa – would likewise benefit the wildlife in these countries, but this may not be possible, given their socialist governments. I would hope that you and others – all over the World – would support the game ranching approach to wildlife management. It may become all that's left for hunting in the future. I say hunt South African and Namibian game ranches and have a great time! Regards, AIU | |||
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Russ, Mate, in fairness that happens on the vast majority of game translocations all over Africa. I'm not sure where they are but somewhere on my computer I've got pics of giant sable that have had that treatment & it doesn't make them any less of an animal........ IIRC, I even posted the pics here a few years ago. I think you also mentioned dodgy lions & frozen leopards somewhere as well.... In the former case, that happens from time to time everywhere in Africa. If you check the CITES website, you'll see licences issued most years to move live lions for 'travelling circuses'............. and that includes countries such as Tanzania & Botswana etc. And I'll be bloody astounded if a single person here has ever seen or heard of a travelling circus anywhere in Africa and especially in countries such as Tz or Bots. There was also a case reported here a few years ago (by Ganyana) where a drugged lion had been translocated into the Zambezi Valley and the client found out the evening of the day he'd shot it thinking it was a wild lion. IIRC, he copped the right dog, refused to pay and told the outfitter to bugger off. Frozen leopards? - Sure they've happened in the past & probably will in the future & not just in RSA either. It's not about countries. It's about individual operators. | |||
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Read my initial post Chris ... I said RSA is an OK place to hunt PG but the DG experience is a little on the artificial side. Nothing more nothing less. And I don't deny that SA has done a marvellous job at bringing back habitat and game. But you and some of your colleagues won't leave this alone, so lets have a discussion about practices that are all too common in RSA. The vast majority of hunting is done on high fenced properties stocked to the gills with animals regardless of their natural range or even African origin. Yes, of course there is some kudu and rhebok hunting done on unfenced property. And there are even some properties adjoining national parks or other countries that are fenced on 3 sides only. But that's the exception not the rule. And very few of these properties are bigger than 10000 Ha. That's 10km by 10km for those who don't know what a Ha is. A km is .6 of a mile. So roughly 6 miles by 6 miles. In other words you can walk from one side to the other in a straight line in 2 hours. Big enough in the thick stuff like you find in KZN, but 10000 is not very big if you are in the lowveld. There is a good deal of put and take hunting in RSA. All those mature male Nyala my friend in KZN sells are not going to zoos. Species are offered outside their natural ranges, lechwe being a good example; exotic species such as axis deer are offered; animals are often fed alfalfa like cows to maintain artificially high stocking levels; weird unnatural genetic manipulation is going on (golden wildebeest for example); and too much hunting is done from the truck (many RSA PHs are on the hefty side for lack of exercise, while almost all Zim PHs are in excellent physical shape) or very close to the truck. Almost all lion hunting is totally artificial as has been widely documented. There have also been a small number of egregious cases of outright fraud including the frozen leopard I mentioned, lions being trucked in at night with the unsuspecting client being told 'this lion just crossed over from Botswana', and doped animals being shot while they are still sedated. Then there are some practices that are acceptable to some but not to me. Shooting over waterholes is widespread in SA. The "tarmac safari" is another, where clients are ferried from one property to the next ticking off species as they go, stopping at the Wimpy Bar for lunch on the way. This would all be fine if clients were fully aware of what they were getting. Some no doubt are and are OK with it. Many are unsuspecting and the wool is pulled firmly over their eyes. The common denominator is money. Some South African operators will do anything for it. If you want to avoid these type of discussions, then I suggest that you come up with a code of conduct that all PHs adhere to at the risk of losing their licences. No shooting within 100m of a vehicle. No shooting over bait or waterholes, except perhaps for bowhunting and predators. No spotlighting at night. No hunting within 6 months of stocking. And so on. Would you like to leave this alone now, or would you like to continue? Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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I do not agree with much of what you've stated but thanks nevertheless for your detailed reply. Regards, Chris Troskie Tel. +27 82 859-0771 email. chris@ct-safaris.com Sabrisa Ranch Ellisras RSA www.ct-safaris.com https://youtu.be/4usXceRdkH4 | |||
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Russ, No system is perfect, and I'm certain as pointed out, there's abuse occurring all over Africa. I’ve hunted RSA, Mozambique, and Tanzania and it was all about money at all these locations. Also, in all these locations animals were being killed over water holes, over bait, and from trucks. If the average size of a RSA game ranch is - as you say - 6 x 6 miles (23,040 acres), that's a lot a land restored for the wildlife - that is, land, otherwise, they would not have for living. In an imperfect World dominated by narcissistic humans, I can't come-up with a better solution for helping wildlife outside of the national parks other than what's happening in RSA and Namibia. Somehow humans are always going to get their reward, otherwise those animals without value to humans are in jeopardy on this planet. Any better (practical) ideas on how to save our hunting heritage? Regards, AIU | |||
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