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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
Understandable, but very sad that some have decided to buckle to this crazy world's political correctness regarding a legitimate recreational and sporting activity. I believe that we need to stand and fight, not hide in the shadows, while we enjoy our hunting pursuits, and educate others in a factual way, to our passion. That's why you are seeing partial changes in the direction of the two television series: Uncharted and Under Wild Skies. Others will have to follow or they will not survive. Hopefully for all of us, it's not too little too late.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:
Ask him to consider this. It seems his family suggested he write the book. So write the book and then in the foreword explain the benefits of hunting as a conservation tool.

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Originally posted by PSmith:
Bill, although the anti-hunting movement has certainly been around a long time, I think this most recent lion issue is nothing more than the 'outrage of the day' and the lemmings will drop it for the next outrage.

Same issue with the Confederate battle flag, the Washington Redskins, high-capacity magazines, assault weapons, cigarettes, ebola, etc. The lemmings get their ideas from the incredibly biased media and the media cycle is thankfully short.

That is not to say that some idiotic ideas such as global warming or climate change don't persist year after year.

So hopefully, things will get back to normal with respect to hunting, where a loud minority will always hate it, but where the majority does not really give a shit one way or the other.

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The other side has been emboldened by how easy it was for them to completely take over and run the dialogue with virtually no opposition, gathering the support of all the mainstream media outlets, talk shows, etc.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by PSmith:
Bill, although the anti-hunting movement has certainly been around a long time, I think this most recent lion issue is nothing more than the 'outrage of the day' and the lemmings will drop it for the next outrage.

Same issue with the Confederate battle flag, the Washington Redskins, high-capacity magazines, assault weapons, cigarettes, ebola, etc. The lemmings get their ideas from the incredibly biased media and the media cycle is thankfully short.

That is not to say that some idiotic ideas such as global warming or climate change don't persist year after year.

So hopefully, things will get back to normal with respect to hunting, where a loud minority will always hate it, but where the majority does not really give a shit one way or the other.

I disagree. While every media story has its cycle, I think we are naïve if we believe that when this cycle is over everything will revert to a pre-Cecil world. Not going to happen. The other side has been emboldened by how easy it was for them to completely take over and run the dialogue with virtually no opposition, gathering the support of all the mainstream media outlets, talk shows, etc. They have and are continuing to use the Cecil incident to raise money and sign up followers on Facebook and other social media platforms. Next time they will be even more prepared than they were this time. It would be a big mistake for us to simply stick our heads in the sand and say let's wait for this to all blow over and things will be back to normal.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki: I am hoping for the NRA to come to our rescue.

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Originally posted by billrquimby:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:
Ask him to consider this. It seems his family suggested he write the book. So write the book and then in the foreword explain the benefits of hunting as a conservation tool.

I would never write about his hunts without his permission, and I cannot imagine anyone buying the book if I were to give him a fictitious name.

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by billrquimby:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:
Ask him to consider this. It seems his family suggested he write the book. So write the book and then in the foreword explain the benefits of hunting as a conservation tool.

I would never write about his hunts without his permission, and I cannot imagine anyone buying the book if I were to give him a fictitious name.

Bill Quimby

Sorry Bill I can see where you could misunderstand the meaning of my post. I did not mean write the book without his permission. I meant suggest to him it should be written and at the same time provide the hunting as conservation viewpoint in the foreword.

Cheers
Jim

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by PSmith:
Bill, although the anti-hunting movement has certainly been around a long time, I think this most recent lion issue is nothing more than the 'outrage of the day' and the lemmings will drop it for the next outrage.

Same issue with the Confederate battle flag, the Washington Redskins, high-capacity magazines, assault weapons, cigarettes, ebola, etc. The lemmings get their ideas from the incredibly biased media and the media cycle is thankfully short.

That is not to say that some idiotic ideas such as global warming or climate change don't persist year after year.

So hopefully, things will get back to normal with respect to hunting, where a loud minority will always hate it, but where the majority does not really give a shit one way or the other.

I disagree. While every media story has its cycle, I think we are naïve if we believe that when this cycle is over everything will revert to a pre-Cecil world. Not going to happen. The other side has been emboldened by how easy it was for them to completely take over and run the dialogue with virtually no opposition, gathering the support of all the mainstream media outlets, talk shows, etc. They have and are continuing to use the Cecil incident to raise money and sign up followers on Facebook and other social media platforms. Next time they will be even more prepared than they were this time. It would be a big mistake for us to simply stick our heads in the sand and say let's wait for this to all blow over and things will be back to normal.

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Below is what a client who had hired me to write an authorized biography about his life as a hunter wrote when he cancelled the project yesterday. (I edited the message to ensure his anonymity.) We have parted friends.

Bill Quimby


"I have been tossing and turning over this for a couple of weeks... I was originally hesitant about doing a book in any form, preferring instead to keep my adventures private and sharing only with family and friends. I ultimately gave in to family members' insistence that my hunting needed to be documented for my children, etc. ... This whole nonsense with Cecil has gotten me back to the point where I simply want to hunt for me and not have it publicized, keeping as low of a profile as possible. ... I’m thinking seriously about having all of my entries removed from the SCI record book. I want to continue to do what I love to do for my own satisfaction, sharing only with those close to me that share the same passion, but nobody else."

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Unfortunately, Mac, this would be only yet another example of preaching to the choir. Few guys "still on the fence" buy hunting books or read hunting reports.

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:
We as hunters and sportsmen need to own the topic. Don't let the fear of offending someone because they have a different point of view change the narrative. Learn to be informative, educational and take pride in what you do without being boastful. And sack up and calmly respond when the extremists lash out.

If sportsmen don't get out front, they will get left behind.

Art Lee

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Originally posted by Trophic-Hunter:

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:
We as hunters and sportsmen need to own the topic. Don't let the fear of offending someone because they have a different point of view change the narrative. Learn to be informative, educational and take pride in what you do without being boastful. And sack up and calmly respond when the extremists lash out.

If sportsmen don't get out front, they will get left behind.

Art Lee

But never, ever use the words sport or sportsmen in relation to hunting. They have absolutely no place in what is a purely natural activity.

And you will immediately lose whatever credibility you have in the eyes of the global community.

Leave those words for the idiot athletes.

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Originally posted by mmassey338:

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Originally posted by Trophic-Hunter:

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:
We as hunters and sportsmen need to own the topic. Don't let the fear of offending someone because they have a different point of view change the narrative. Learn to be informative, educational and take pride in what you do without being boastful. And sack up and calmly respond when the extremists lash out.

If sportsmen don't get out front, they will get left behind.

Art Lee

But never, ever use the words sport or sportsmen in relation to hunting. They have absolutely no place in what is a purely natural activity.

And you will immediately lose whatever credibility you have in the eyes of the global community.

Leave those words for the idiot athletes.

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+1
And even worse is the word "trophy".

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Originally posted by Trophic-Hunter:

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:
We as hunters and sportsmen need to own the topic. Don't let the fear of offending someone because they have a different point of view change the narrative. Learn to be informative, educational and take pride in what you do without being boastful. And sack up and calmly respond when the extremists lash out.

If sportsmen don't get out front, they will get left behind.

Art Lee

But never, ever use the words sport or sportsmen in relation to hunting. They have absolutely no place in what is a purely natural activity.

And you will immediately lose whatever credibility you have in the eyes of the global community.

Leave those words for the idiot athletes.

With all due respect, hunters fall in to 3 distinct categories, subsistance, professional and sport. If you have better language to describe the categories, by all means please give your suggestions. However please refrain from offering critisizim without making constructive comments too.

Those here who don't think hunting is a physical sport have never followed hounds.

The term "Sportsmen" encompasses all segments of hunters, fishermen and trappers who participate as a recreation. Again if you can offer a constructive alternative I'm all ears. I have logged over 6000 hours of face time speaking with politicians on the local, state, and national levels regarding Sportsmens issues since 1985. I don't believe I have lost any credibility by refering to the above as sport. Have you had an experience with the politicians to the contrary?
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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:

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Originally posted by Trophic-Hunter:

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:
We as hunters and sportsmen need to own the topic. Don't let the fear of offending someone because they have a different point of view change the narrative. Learn to be informative, educational and take pride in what you do without being boastful. And sack up and calmly respond when the extremists lash out.

If sportsmen don't get out front, they will get left behind.

Art Lee

But never, ever use the words sport or sportsmen in relation to hunting. They have absolutely no place in what is a purely natural activity.

And you will immediately lose whatever credibility you have in the eyes of the global community.

Leave those words for the idiot athletes.

With all due respect, hunters fall in to 3 distinct categories, subsistance, professional and sport. If you have better language to describe the categories, by all means please give your suggestions. However please refrain from offering critisizim without making constructive comments too.

Those here who don't think hunting is a physical sport have never followed hounds.

The term "Sportsmen" encompasses all segments of hunters, fishermen and trappers who participate as a recreation. Again if you can offer a constructive alternative I'm all ears. I have logged over 6000 hours of face time speaking with politicians on the local, state, and national levels regarding Sportsmens issues since 1985. I don't believe I have lost any credibility by refering to the above as sport. Have you had an experience with the politicians to the contrary?
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Originally posted by T.J.:

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:

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Originally posted by Trophic-Hunter:

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Originally posted by TREE 'EM:
We as hunters and sportsmen need to own the topic. Don't let the fear of offending someone because they have a different point of view change the narrative. Learn to be informative, educational and take pride in what you do without being boastful. And sack up and calmly respond when the extremists lash out.

If sportsmen don't get out front, they will get left behind.

Art Lee

But never, ever use the words sport or sportsmen in relation to hunting. They have absolutely no place in what is a purely natural activity.

And you will immediately lose whatever credibility you have in the eyes of the global community.

Leave those words for the idiot athletes.

With all due respect, hunters fall in to 3 distinct categories, subsistance, professional and sport. If you have better language to describe the categories, by all means please give your suggestions. However please refrain from offering critisizim without making constructive comments too.

Those here who don't think hunting is a physical sport have never followed hounds.

The term "Sportsmen" encompasses all segments of hunters, fishermen and trappers who participate as a recreation. Again if you can offer a constructive alternative I'm all ears. I have logged over 6000 hours of face time speaking with politicians on the local, state, and national levels regarding Sportsmens issues since 1985. I don't believe I have lost any credibility by refering to the above as sport. Have you had an experience with the politicians to the contrary?
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Well the SCI airline response form letter I just put my name on and sent around - as did many other folks per the thread - clearly states "legitimate sport hunter" in the text. Now I'm more confused than ever as to what we're going with these days - sport or no?

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Well, I have to honestly say that this Cecil schitttstorm doesn't affect me one iota. Since I do not hunt dangerous game, participate in the social media, and have priorities far more important than anything to do with hunting, I consider myself blessed and fortunate. My life will not change one bit. ...

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Originally posted by billrquimby:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Well, I have to honestly say that this Cecil schitttstorm doesn't affect me one iota. Since I do not hunt dangerous game, participate in the social media, and have priorities far more important than anything to do with hunting, I consider myself blessed and fortunate. My life will not change one bit. ...

This "schitttstorm" already has cost me close to $30,000. I'm hoping it isn't a harbinger of things to come.

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by Thomas "Ty" Beaham:

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Originally posted by billrquimby:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Well, I have to honestly say that this Cecil schitttstorm doesn't affect me one iota. Since I do not hunt dangerous game, participate in the social media, and have priorities far more important than anything to do with hunting, I consider myself blessed and fortunate. My life will not change one bit. ...

This "schitttstorm" already has cost me close to $30,000. I'm hoping it isn't a harbinger of things to come.

Bill Quimby

Bill that's a damn shame and I'm sorry to hear it.

Don't let the turkeys who are content to ride the coat tail's of others get you down.

Me, I subscribe to the "Lead, Follow, or Get The Hell Out of The Way" adage. I'll not sit and wring my hands waiting for someone else to do what I am capable of.

Look at the bright side of things. I've been on a bender of sorts for the last three weeks on social media. I've cost HSUS, PETA, LIONAID and others at least twice the $30,000 you are out.
...and I'm not done yet.

Here's to better days ahead Bill.

Ty