AR Guests /

If you can come up with say BALLPARK ($US 650,000)

I proberbly could talk my brother into selling you his FULLY security game fenced 6,500 acre ranch in SA Limpopo Province/ He has two in that Province

WE would need to (negotiate a fair price) for all the existing game animals on the property following a professional game count. They are numerious and varied and include 4 x White Rhino

The property is (100% operational going concern) and with very nice bushveld style lodge and facilities to boot, boreholes plant and very nice owners house swimming pool etc etc etc. You dont need to do any developement or extra expense, everying is there existing and ready to run or running at this time.

Steve (AKA Shakari) knows the ranch and has visited it himself some years ago so he can give a general overview from an outsideres perspective.

It is not a remote location, it is a very easy accessable property close to all civilisation roads etc and about 45 minutes drive from Pietersburg airport ///

Would suit those whom want (very easy going topography) nice comfortable facilties and general plains game easy hunting ... Proberly would suit an OLD SOB like me whom wanted to be near town airport and have a lazy existance ( Ha Ha )

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HEY AR GUESTS ///

Come up with (SOME BRIGHT IDEAS) and maybe AR can buy the place lock stock and barrel

mommy please buy me that ranch

Take care and keep dreaming

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Location / flashing hand near N1


Owners House / nice and very comfortable, sit is bar/lounge and watch animals at waterholke


The Main clients lodge


Main clients Lodge close up


Some animals roaming


One of the two single chalets / also has a double chalet & PH chalet self contained


Bar area within the Main Lodge


Main Lodge area / includes pool table kitchen etc

mommy please buy me that ranch

Peter

Why not sell shares, and owners get a discount on the cost of a hunt?

Peter

Izzat like the old Janis Joplin ditty, "Oh Lord, Won't You Buy Me A Mercedes Benz....."

C'Mon entreprenuers

We can get an [ AR HEADQUARTERS ] in Africa ...

That is JUST a starting point, then we can branch out to bigger and better things

Surly with all our vast AR networking experience someone must know an AFFLUENT joker ( at Microsoft ) or other with under a Million to get the place for our new HQ

Maybe turn it into an (OLD AGE HOME) for the likes of MYSELF, RAY, JUDGEG and anyone else of 55+ Vintage

Peter

If we pooled our resources at AR and bought this for you can we get break on the observer rate???

quote:

Originally posted by Phil:
If we pooled our resources at AR and bought this for you can we get break on the observer rate???

Phil

I think we need to commit you me and Walter to the nearest instituation

How about we charge the OBSERVER rates at TWICE HALF THE PRICE + 10%

It must be the silly season OR FULL moon

Happy upcoming JULY 4 to all in USA

Peter

What a pretty place. Alas, if I owned this nice game ranch, it would be like a drunk owning a bar.

How in the world could one get all of that for $650,000k? I don't mean to doubt, but that seems a little too good to be true. I'm not experienced at all when it comes to Africa, so what am I missing? Do you have a ballpark figure on the cost of the game in addition to the land? Thanks!

Nice ranch, I'll pitch in 1 dollar us. I hunted not to far from there at the Mopane Ranch, owned by Jack Scott, his son Jaco is the PH. Thats a good area.

Yeah, I would chip in a few bucks if I could hunt there.

Me too!

Ignore what I said in an earlier thread about he Northern Province .

I would be in for a 1% share.

However I think an independent less interested valuation might be a good idea.

Who will issue a guarantee that RSA will respect property rights and not engage in a Zimbabwe-style land seizure?

It's certainly a very nice place. It's proximity to town makes it reasonably easy to live there and it's proximity to Bots, Zim & the KNP just add to it's allure. - So it get's a thumbs up from me.

Although I'm no expert on property values I'd say that from my limited experience it's well worth that kind of money.

........and please can I overnight there sometimes as I hate the hotels in the area!

Steve,

Is the border crossing at Mesena always as big a mess as it was the only I was there, not that I crossed, but turned left off N1 on the road by the river.

Gringo,

I've never used that particular crossing. The only ones have personal experience of in recent years are Platjen & Zanzibar which both go across to Tuli Block Botswana near Baine's Drift.

Both are very well organised but of the two I prefer Platjen.

quote:

Originally posted by fusino:
How in the world could one get all of that for $650,000k? I don't mean to doubt, but that seems a little too good to be true. I'm not experienced at all when it comes to Africa, so what am I missing? Do you have a ballpark figure on the cost of the game in addition to the land? Thanks!

Fusino //

Dont hold me to that price,

But seeing my brother has one other SA ranch of 15,000 acre to operate located about 2 hours driving north from this one in the Soutpansberg Mountains and of cource the priceless 10,000 acre ranch in Zambia, then I do believe he would seriously consider around $650K for the land and plant ...

He is essentially strapped for further development CASH to expand his ranch in the MOUNTAINS ans in ZAMBIA /// all his capitol is effectively tied up in LAND being the three ranches ( 30,000+ acre) therfore he is not looking to make money per se ONLY to get working capitol so YES the price is VERY GOOD / it works out about $100 /per acre and that is securty game fenced totally ..

I would (hazard a guess) that the existing game animals on that property ( EXCLUDING ) the 4 x white rhino might be worth around 275K or close as it has not ever been hunted hard so there are good game populations on the land !!

In theory you/a potentail buyer could walk in we walk out @ no more than $925K ..... maybe less, it would essentially depend upon any serious enquiry as my brother is NOT a hard man to deal with, he makes decisions quite quickly when it comes to buying or selling game properties, that is why he has three fully operational ranches in two countries in Africa, he does not procrastinate ...

Quick figures / AR business plan

1000 x 950ea.

Get 1000 AR guests to become official (life members) of AR then charge them $950 each for their membership ///they then own a ranch in Africa ....

Elect say 10 of them to become BOARD members and they can run the place.

Sounds simple on paper

Any other bright ideas ?

Peter

Count me in.

Ahmed

The strong UK pound against the US dollar would make that a very attractive proposition to Brits......

This has interesting possibilities. I don't know about 1000 interested parties but if corporately stuctured one could buy more than one share.

That's a beautiful ranch. I'd probably be interested in a share or two.

If you guys ever get this off the ground, count me in.

I like the idea of time shares. We each buy a time share for 10K and get to hunt it every other year. How about it? There's got to be at least 65 interested investors out there. That way if the South African government ends up being like robber Bob you're not out a significant investment.

Hell, for $1000 a share, count me in! I piss more money away each year buying s**t I don't need.

Peter, I suggest that you put a list together of those who might be interested. Please add my name and email address to the list.
George

I'd be interested in a share or two as well. Count me in.

Hey, why don't we get Jim and Tammy Faye to manage it?

I'd be up for this if it gets off the ground.

quote:

Originally posted by patrkyhntr:
Peter, I suggest that you put a list together of those who might be interested. Please add my name and email address to the list.
George

Dear Guests & or other interested parties

WE would have to ask SAEED first about the general idea proposed as I have just ( sort of ) floated the notion //

I believe it would be appropriate to [ FIRST ASK SAEED ] as we/I am using his very respected and no doubt copyrighted AR forum's name in effect by even suggesting the life membership tie up, even if it was initially sort of joking ...

Lets see what the BOSS MAN has to say



Two Russian lady clients - view from main Lodge looking towards the braai area / pool would be on left


This was taken from the owners house, sitting in lounge/bar area looking towards waterhole




This is ALSO the man we FIRST have to convince to SELL the RANCH / my brother Alan shown on right

On left our Lusaka based taxi Mike Borman / Bangweulu Taxidermy - Pic taken @ Dendro Park Ranch

Peter

Well I guess I can pay for the whole thing...I just got an email that I won a lottery I didn't even enter:

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So there we are gents......

on a more serious note, AR is a trademark of Accuratereloading.COM and if a bunch of the members get together to buy property, I don't know if there is any liabilility to Accuratereloading.COM if it uses our name.

We'll have to see.

Don

quote:

Originally posted by DRG:
Well I guess I can pay for the whole thing...I just got an email that I won a lottery I didn't even enter:

So there we are gents......

on a more serious note, AR is a trademark of Accuratereloading.COM and if a bunch of the members get together to buy property, I don't know if there is any liabilility to Accuratereloading.COM if it uses our name.

We'll have to see.

Don

Hi Don /

Hope July 4 is going well, we are a day ahead in NZ so it is now 10:15 am Monday July 4

I personally get about at least one of those wonderful lottery or Nigeria OIL SCAMS deals into my office every day without fail ... aint it a strange world //

BUT more seriously, as you point out and as I indicated in my previous post AR is a respected copyright entity and we would never ever use any slight of hand.

I friviously started this thread and we are having a bit of fun at the moment /// as you say we await any developements

Take care

Peter

You know it could all be cost justified if each of the shareholders took turns darting the rhinos.

Do any of you guys remeber about 8 years ago when a bunch of these game ranches were for sale in Zim? I could have bought a 50,000 acre farm for ONLY $450,000 USD ready to GO!!!


Just what ever you do be carefull. It is a beautifull farm isnt it?

Get some folks to buy it and I'll retire, move and administer it for only a small suppliment to my SS benefits.. and also market a few hunts on the side to cut down the payments. And I ain't kidding.

quote:

Originally posted by JudgeG:
Get some folks to buy it and I'll retire, move and administer it for only a small suppliment to my SS benefits.. and also market a few hunts on the side to cut down the payments. And I ain't kidding.

Hi JudgeG

Hope you are keeping well ///

Thats sounds like a damn good offer from yourself, we will keep it in the memory banks just in case things might progress ..

PS:

ANYHOW, on a more immediately serious note ...

If you JUST HAPPIN get caught short in Africa with your (pants down) during your UPCOMING TAN ZANIA hunt ...

Flight delays, Africa Fever, Lack of will to return HOME etc THEN dont hesisitate to contact my brother Alan if he is in SA at that time, you can maybe then take a (short one/two day side trip) to see the PROPERTY and then our AR guests will know what it looks like from one of the true (gentelmen good guys) on AR apart from RAY SAEED and 15,000 others good chaps as well

Have a WONDERFUL AFRICA safari hunting experience in TAN ZAN

Peter

Count me in for a couple of shares (especially if the Russian lady clients want to visit again)

Beautiful ranch, Peter! Interesting concept on group ownership, but, let's get down to the nitty gritty.

What are the monthly expenses to run the facility? Such as:

How many staff are needed and do they live permanently on the property? What do they expect in wages, feed, housing, transportation, medical and child schooling? What happens if staff get killed by game or even a client?

What do the property taxes cost?

Fence maintenance, how much a year? Is it electrified for the rhino? What's the electricity cost? How much is spent replacing stolen and damaged wire?

Utilities, costs for phone, cable or satellite and electricity?

Poaching? How much game is lost per year? How much is spent to guard game like rhinos?

Predators? What is usually on the property and how many big kudu, impala, nyala, etc are they eating per yer?

Breeding programs? How much new blood is normally brough in, if any per year to stay genetically diverse?

Invasive plant species and maintenance? I know in Natal there are some very nasty alien weeds that need a large amount of management. Does the same happen here?

Game, does it need supplimental feeding at all during the year? Cost of lucerne if so? Any recent droughts, are the plant species diverse and of high quality and able to support a high density of game in good condition?

How many clients are needed a year to make the property pay for itself?

And just how often do those thatch roofs need replacing? Are the bore holes and equipment in good working order?

What other expenses have I passed up that owners need to be aware of?

Stuff for future land owners to think about!

I was wondering what the charge for the game will be. As I understand the post above, $650K is for land and buildings, but game must be purchased separately. Is that accurate, and if so, how much extra for the game?