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I've been pretty fortunate - I just make clean misses! LOL Seriously, in the years of hunting, I've only wounded one that got away. The PH said that since it was 'only' a common duiker that he'd 'forgive' me. Couldn't imagine a big trophy being wounded and getting away and then cutting the fat check for it. How about you? | ||
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In Europe its very common now to be charged ~250 euros for a MISS, if I may ask for all people that book a european hunt if they see this to ask the outfitter to remove it from the contract or else book with someone else. If all people do this maybe they will stop with this nonsense....And to your question I have never been charged for a miss or a wounded animal. | |||
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well, Dahlgren. That's as may be but you have to remember that certainly for wounded and lost animals, it's normal to make a charge because the income from the meat of animals shot helps to subsidise the cost of the actual hunt. So lost venison has a real impact on the costs of the operator in Europe. Not all estates actually charge for misses - but more usually if , for example, someone has booked and paid to shoot 4 stags and they miss one or even two stags so they do not shoot the number of stags they have booked and paid for, then they do not get a refund (and thereby pay for those missed stags). But if they have paid to shoot 4 stags and miss one or two others but still manage to shoot their 4 stags, then no extra charges are made. You have to remember that for many estates in Scotland, the stag season is only 4 weeks long and they have specific cull targets to reach in that short time. There has to be some onus of cost put onto the client. This is all on the basis that only stags offered in the first place are a "fair chance" so missing is much less likely. I actually define a fair chance in my booking contracts - for stags it's a stag standing broadside for ,say, half a minute at up to 180 metres. (these are usually prone shots anyway). If the truth be told - anyone who goes hunting and cannot shoot accurately under those circumstances 97% - 98% of the time should not be hunting. we all miss some time and anyone who says they never miss, has either not been hunting long enough or is a liar. The same goes for wounding. I should have added that for red stag hunting there is often no daily rate. But for our Roe buck stalking where there IS a daily rate, there may still be a charge for missing or wounding. COUNTRYSPORTS. Established 1984. Web sites: www.countrysports.co.uk & www.fishinginuk.co.uk SCOTLAND, ENGLAND, POLAND, SOUTH AFRICA | |||
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I did the same thing on a klipspringer. DRSS | |||
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Miss no. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Yes, quite painfully a nicked leopard, and a warthog that was knocked down by a .375 but somehow got up and outran us. The leopard was very bothersome, and in some weird way paying the trophy fee seemed like proper penance. I do recall that the operator cut me a bit of a break on this, reducing his mark-up, which was much appreciated. | |||
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..............NO! However I paid for one I didn't intend killing till he gave me no choice!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Of course if wounded and lost its a full trophy fee, but a miss...Not because of the money... but for me it just feels greedy and I if I see that in a contract I would ask to remove or dont book. I have done a elephant hunt and the outfitter only had 4 tags/year and I have hunted leopard and the owner only had 3 tags/year. A miss fee have never been discussed. There must be better ways to make money instead of doing it like this with a "miss fee" it probably adds even more tension to people that already have problems with nerves anyway. JMO. | |||
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yep first african animal i shot was a warthog, and after 600 meters of tracking and varius parts of the pig found along the bloodtrack it just vanished, was charged and payed the price. best peter | |||
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I made a bad shot on a really good Cape Bushbuck once. Bullet clipped a twig and hit him way forward in the brisket. We lost the blood after about 200 yards and never found him. I paid up without a single regret or arguement. After all it was my fault for not being sure the path the bullet had to travel was clear. Thats the only thing Ive lost on safari and I hope it never happens again. | |||
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Amen, brother Bill, amen! Hunt long enough, shoot at enough animals and the odds are good it will happen. On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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I have not hit and lost anything which is weird when you consider I clean missed a Lord Derby Eland. You would think anyone who missed a Lord Derby would have nicked a few animals or at least some trackers, maybe a PH or 2. | |||
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Very true! I wounded and lost a buffalo, the fact that I paid a monetary penalty did seem to help lessen the psychic penalty. That was nearly four years ago and when I think of it, the trophy fee is still the least of my concerns. ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Ever had to pay for a wounded animal? Yes -- bushbuck. Misses -- never. (My avatar is the pick-up "trophy" Nceba found for me, a constant reminder of the experience.) _______________________ | |||
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Yep. I missed an incredibly easy shot on a warthog. Hit it really high, found a little bit of tissue. | |||
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I've hunted Africa enough to have wounded a couple we couldn't recover. Once due to an unknown but later confirmed problem with some factory ammunition (Kudu) and once on a late shot taken as full dark was engulfing us (Bushbuck). These were difficult to accept as I usually complete a safari with a 90-95% one shot kill average, but blood pays the price. Paid for them both, although not full price on the Kudu. Wounded and lost animal fees may sometimes be negotiable, depending upon variables. The only hunter that hasn't wounded an animal is the hunter who is waiting to do so. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Fortunately I have never wounded and lost an animal but I did miss a Spring Buck. The PH very calmly said you shot about a foot high  No excuses, nothing wrong with the sights, no wind issues, (shot high) a shot I would like to forget along with a high shot on an Eland. Had to track that one for a few hours before finishing him off. "Stuff" happens  Jim "Bwana Umfundi" NRA | |||
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I support charges for a wounded and lost animal. But certainly don't for a miss! The idea for charging for a wounded animal is that the animal might die from that shot. Missing a shot and having to pay for it? That is pure, unadulterated bullshit! Any outfitter who tells that is NOT going to get me hunting with him. Bloody, hell, I know some clients who would have to pay several times their trophy fees for their misses if they went on a hunt like that! As far as I am concerned, anytime you spot a drop of blood, you own that animals. Whether you are able to track and recover it, or loose it. You have to pay. No blood. No pay. | |||
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I have wounded animals, but I have never lost one. Always, with the help of excellent trackers, and more than once with generous amounts of unbelievable good luck, we have found them and I have killed them. Knock on wood. Paying for wounded and lost animals is the right policy. If only it were always enforced. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I wounded and paid for a Zebra. I wanted to try again and the outfitter discounted the second one. Now when a Nyala jumped up and ran as we approached my heart missed a few beats. It was a good shot and he was recovered. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I was in camp this year with a quite large person from Colorado.He wounded a giraffe and after four hours tracking he had to quit and the PH finally hunted it down and killed it. The hunter not having the trophy fee swore he would send it. He also refused the trophy because he didn't kill it.Later he refused to pay the trophy fee.I knew he would do that but the PH really thought he would pay.Trusting soul got screwed. If I ever see him again he will get a good ass whipping. | |||
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Been there, done that on warthog. Seems lots of us screw up on warties.... | |||
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It is common practice for South African operators that target the local market to charge for misses. It is done merely to discourage wild shooting from less experienced and overzealous hunters who are made to think twice before pulling the trigger. These are generally guys who are hunting/shooting for meat and do one trip a year and should be made to think carefully about their shot. I think it is a good idea and if you spent some time on one of these hunts i think that you too would be in support of the rule. Most of the operators would definitely be a bit flexible and i doubt that if you missed 1 out of 5 springbuck they would enforce it when the time came to settle the bill. | |||
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Only animal I've ever shot that wasn't recovered was a warthog. It was shot at pretty close range (35 yards maybe) with a Nosler Partition 300 grain bullet from my .375 H&H. Shot looked good, blood all over the place on both sides of the animal's escape trail (definitely lungs were hit and bullet exited) and I was with one of the best trackers and PH in South Africa (Jan Dumon and his tracker Calvin). We followed the blood spoor around 150 yards and then it just disappeared. We continued looking for hours. These guys never give up on a blood trail, especially when they know the animal is dead, somewhere. We never found that warthog. Around the campfire that night, after a few single malts, the warthog was unanimously declared to have been stolen by a leopard. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Wink I had a very similiar experience a few years ago , but with an Impala and a Lion. I hit a ram low frontal and it ran and disappeared over a low rise. We followed up and as we came over the rise my tracker suddenly stopped dead and scratched his head. If you know my tracker, that simply doesnt happen. he then strode off left and right and after about 15 minutes suddenly looked up and beamed at me. he reached down and picked up a severed front leg and triumphantly announced "Shumba" Apparently my injured and staggering Impala had run right into the path of a hungry lioness!!!!! Does that qualify as baiting?? and if so who was baiting whom. I am sure she watched us walk around scratching our heads whilst she was laughing hers off | |||
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Not an African animal but.... I was sheep hunting a few years back. The policy was blood on the ground, you pay. I'm good with that. We snuck up to within 150 yards of a broadside ram. At the shot we were close enough to see the impact in the shoulder. The band of sheep including mine ran over a small rise out of sight. 1/2 hour later we walk over the rise expecting a dead sheep. My guide catches a glimpse of my sheep bailing off the side of the mountain with an obvious hitch in gait. There were no other sheep with him. Long story short, we looked and looked and looked and never found him or even a drop of blood on the ground. We both figured the sheep was dead somewhere. So we packed up the gear and headed back to camp. Guide said we'll try another mountain the next day. I told him the hunt was over. He explained we never found any blood. I told him the right thing to do was end the hunt as we both know the sheep probably wasn't alive and I ended the hunt. He was a bit shocked. I did get a discount on the same hunt a few years later and did get a big ram on the ground. | |||
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In Zimbabwe in 2002 I paid a trophy fee on an impala my son hit badly. We tracked for hours, then finally gave up. It was aggravating but not too much as earlier the PH had given us a "pass" on a sable the boy had nicked but apparently very slightly; there was only one tiny drop of blood (which is all it really took to establish a fee) and the PH decided the sable was not seriously hurt. My son later killed a nice sable, and I was more than willing to swap a $150 impala for a $2000 sable! LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | |||
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Sir, you have a great attitude towards hunting. One, certainly one that I appreciate and respect. Marius Goosen KMG Hunting Safaris Cell, Whats App, Signal + 27 82 8205387 E-mail: info@huntsafaris.co.za Website: www.huntsafaris.co.za Skype: muis19820603 Check us out on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kmghuntingsafaris Instagram: @kmg_hunting_safaris | |||
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That may well be a common practice in RSA, But I can assure you nobody will get my booking with that clause in their contract! A wasted $8 to $16 round is punishment enough for a missed shot that hits no animal! One tiny drop of blood, and I pay, but I'll be damned if I will pay for a complete miss! Others may do as it suits! ........................   ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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I Have to agree....if I was ever charged for a missed shot.....There would be blood spilt alright!!!!  | |||
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1.My first question is what constitutes a hit ? 2.If you shoot a 2'group with your rifle at 100m how do you miss a hippo or elephant standing broadside at 30m without wounding it 3. how much does an animal bleed that was shot to high or in the buttock? "Buy land they have stopped making it"- Mark Twain | |||
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Yep, Very first shot on the african continent. Shot at an impala with my bow. Video showed he ducked quite a bit and i skipped it across his back. The trackers found a little blood for about 70-80 yards then nothing. Not exactly the way to start off. I have walked in the foot prints of the elephant, listened to lion roar and met the buffalo on his turf. I shall never be the same. | |||
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On a little different slant,, I was bow hunting in Namibia,, I was in a hide near water and a large male wart hog was standing broad side at about 20 yards. I was elevated and shooting downward,, standing about 20 yards away was a sow. The arrow was a complete pass through,, hit a rock bounced off and hit the sow in the side. Both ran off, the male was easily recovered. I had to track the sow and shoot it a second time, it still had my arrow in it and would of been dead very shortly. This was all recorded on my video camera. I fully expected to pay for the second pig. the Ph would not allow me to pay and we had a barbque that evening with him. The trophy fee for the sow I added to his tip. I have seen pass through bullets and arrows hit other animals but not one bounce off a rock and hit one out of the line of fire so to speak. But I drew blood and I expected to pay,, and did in the end because it was the right thing to do, you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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One exception...Elephant - if you shoot at it I (and the parks game scout) will expect you to have hit it. If it was a bungled brain or lung shot there will probably be no blood...so you shoot, you pay. (and if you did indeed miss an elephant at inside 20 paces you deserve to pay!) I have heard the same thing said about shooting hippo from a game scout but been fortunate never to have had to cross that bridge. | |||
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The OP was considering Africa only, I guess and my post reply was really to the second poster on this thread who was talking about Europe. Hunting for red Stags in Scotland is a whole different ball game when you are stalking a specific species and usually a specific animal which has been selected by the guide. Problem with stag stalking is that on many grounds, if you fire a shot you clear the hill of deer which are on open ground. You may not get another chance to shoot that day as you will not have time to climb another hill and look into a different area. If anyone fancies renting or owning an estate and bearing the cost of folk missing deer (no outing rate, remember) then they are going to lose a heap of money very quickly! COUNTRYSPORTS. Established 1984. Web sites: www.countrysports.co.uk & www.fishinginuk.co.uk SCOTLAND, ENGLAND, POLAND, SOUTH AFRICA | |||
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Interesting that so many of those in the hit-but-didn't-find category suffered their experience with warthogs. I fall into that category as well. My first African hunt, in the East Cape, I hit a warthog in the left ham. (I normally would never take a going-away shot at an unwounded animal, but the PH said to shoot.) He ran off into the brush and we found a fair amount of blood right away in the grass. The PH and his "tracker" were not very keen on following up more than a few yards. I insisted on following what blood I could see and they reluctantly followed (yes, followed.) Lost the blood trail but continued to scour under thorn bushes and high grass for a dead pig, but never did find him. Yes, I paid. | |||
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Mine was a bait impala this past July in Zimbabwe. The trackers, PH and myself didn't find any blood at first and we tracked it a good hundred yards. So, the PH declared it to be a miss, and we gave up and started walking back to the truck, when low and behold, the PH spotted one very tiny drop of blood forty yards from the truck. . . . .  | |||
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I had to pay on an impala once. Shot and hit it, we found blood and bone. Followed the trail and then it just stopped, no more blood. We circled and searched about half a day and never found it. I had no problem paying the fee as it was my fault, I have a problem with wounding the animal and not being able to recover it but as I said it was my fault. Good Hunting,  | |||
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Never had a problem with the idea of paying for a wounded animal, but it would be a cold day in hell before I paid for a clean miss. The way I shot this last elk season, I wouldn't get too many hunts in before I would be bankrupt  . No, I think there is already plenty of pressure on to make a good shot without having to cough up some dough for a complete miss.The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery. -- Winston Churchill | |||
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