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http://leadership.ng/news/3696...ed-elephant-botswana Chinese Tourist Killed By Elephant In Botswana Agency Report — May 6, 2014 A Chinese tourist died on Sunday after being trampled by an elephant at a game reserve in north eastern Botswana, police confirmed on Tuesday. Ismael Morebodi, the local police chief, told Xinhua that the man was attacked by a herd of elephants after he left the vehicle in which he was travelling to take pictures of the group. He said the victim was pronounced dead at a local hospital, while four other accompanying tourists were all safe. Morebodi urged tourists to exercise caution and seek assistance from tour guides when visiting game reserves. Botswana has one of the largest elephant populations in Africa, with most in game reserves and national parks. There are frequent reports in local media of accidents between elephants and humans. (Xinhua/NAN) Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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A Pity. But seeing that Chinese are responsible for killing all the elephants in Africa....poetic justice? | |||
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well, sounds like another Darwin Award winner. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Grumpy cat says...Good! | |||
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That's fucked up. Someone lost a son or a father or a husband. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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If a Rhino eats a Chinaman does it's horn get longer and harder? Mark | |||
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Believe it or not, it's this type of demographic that makes sportsman lose the PR battle, every single time. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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First of all, it is in no way a "demographic". Second, it's a frigging joke. Get over yourself. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Gato, If you don't think that things are different now than in years past, you are incorrect. The optics of everything we do need to be on our minds with social media being what it is today. We can ignore it, and win the battle but lose the war. As a "demographic" international sportsman are extremely small. Most deer stand whitetail guys wouldn't even care if we lost the ability to hunt the big 5 or even the ability to hunt in foreign lands. For one, I want to continue my outdoor lifestyle. If that means being cognizant of image, so be it. Go ahead, take a stand and prove how tough you are to them. For me, "This is not the hill I choose to die upon" There are bigger and more important battles to come. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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If you're going to use the word, you should know it's definition and I'll leave it at that. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Grammar policeman as well. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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It's not grammar either.  xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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So racist, redneck, loudmouth is not a sector of the hunter population? dem·o·graph·ic noun: demographic; plural noun: demographics 1. a particular sector of a population. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Doesn't sound like an accident to me. Tourist invades the space of a wild animal. Wild animal stomps tourist. Not accidentally, intentionally. Don't you suppose that this tourist had been warned at least several times to NOT leave the vehicle, and most especially to NOT approach wild animals? He disobeyed the rules, and paid the price. Bad day for him. NO COMPROMISE !!! "YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALONE!" | |||
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No matter how poorly it was phrased, we are still allowed to speak our mind. Yes, someone lost their life and this time is wasn't an elephant. Some of the comments were in poor taste and some made me chuckle. Now how is that any different than most posts here on AR? Excepting the classifieds of course. The part that is bad is telling someone else how to act and what to say. That is much worse than the other comments. Matt | |||
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Had this been a comment directed at say…a Muslim I think there would be calls for banning, and moral outrage from the masses. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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It truly is a shame a man died. His race should be inconsequential. The Chinese contribution to poaching in Africa is of continuing concern. | |||
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Exactly! As my granddad used to say. "Do whatever you wish, just bear the consequences" He was right. | |||
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if Muslims believed rhino horns were an aphrodisiac, then it would have been funny. it's an ironic joke. Chinese people probably would laugh at the original joke. it's funny because rhinos don't actually eat people. (making fun of the killed tourist is in poor taste, and I agree that the grumpy cat joke was not funny) | |||
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That was really my point, making fun of a fatal elephant stomping because the guy was Chinese was just poor form, as was the grumpy cat comment. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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My comments were directed at censorship and members projecting their values on each other. You didn't disappoint. Matt | |||
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That sounds exactly right to me. One simply does not fool around with wild elephants. My PH in Zambia had a tracker pulled out of the back of a Land Cruiser by an elephant that was chasing it. An unpleasant death. A year or so later,when we were driving out to Mulobezi through Kafue, there was a herd of about ten about to cross our one lane dirt road 100 yards ahead. We promptly backed up another 150 yards or so to avoid them. The significance of the tourist's being Chinese seems to me that he was entirely ignorant of what to do around wildlife. We do joke about such things, in a grim humor way. It is to be expected.  Norman Solberg International lawyer back in the US after 25 years and, having met a few of the bad guys and governments here and around the world, now focusing on private trusts that protect wealth from them. NRA Life Member for 50 years, NRA Endowment Member from 2014, NRA Patron from 2016. | |||
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The Ele is just applying the aeons old African bush castle doctrine. | |||
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How about Limp wrist, progressive liberal bowing at the altar of political correctness? Not too many years ago we just said what we were all really thinking. Now, the "enlightened" liberals have made free speech a crime unless it supports their point of view. Let's face the facts: 1. The guy made a stupid decision and paid the ultimate price--sad but true. 2. The Rhino joke was pure genius. | |||
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Painting ourselves as racist, heartless rednecks does nothing to further our cause. That is a fact. As for the rhino joke being "pure genius", give me a break! Everyone knows that eating an Asian will not make a rhino's horn longer, it will only make the rhino's horn harder. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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[/QUOTE] Painting ourselves as racist, heartless rednecks does nothing to further our cause. That is a fact. As for the rhino joke being "pure genius", give me a break! Everyone knows that eating an Asian will not make a rhino's horn longer, it will only make the rhino's horn harder.[/QUOTE] We are automatically deemed heartless by the anti-hunting crowd because we hunt. You seem to be following Obama's logic for our relations with the Middle East -- "let's make them like us". We see how that is working. The only way to further our cause is to spread the facts of conservation through hunting. Our taste, or lack thereof, in humor will make little difference. | |||
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BBM, I will agree it seems that some of our ideas seem a bit PC. I for one had the opinion back when Joloburn came onto the scene of, fight hard fight now and continue the fight. The hard cold facts are that we as hunters/sportsman are a dying breed. We are becoming relics of days gone by. If we want to continue to chase our passions, we must think outside the box. The fight over Elepahnts in DC is a good example. We just don't have a big enough voting block to be a represented class. My though process is to establish a positive PR campaign to sway the people, "on the fence", in the middle who don't really have an opinion either way. I do agree the left, "anti's" are gone. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Well said Steve. I agree that positive PR is a great asset in preserving our hunting rights. However, JBrown is getting completely unhinged over a joke on a hunting forum. If something that inconsequential will cost us our hunting rights, we have already lost. | |||
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I'm reminded of the story a park ranger in Yellowstone National Park was sharing of a tourist from another country approaching a bison bull that was laying on the ground, chewing its cud. It seems the tourist wanted to put his kid on the buffalo's back for a photo op. Luckily, the ranger intervened. Some folks just have NO idea what "wild" means. | |||
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BBM You are a bit mixed-up on this. I think you skimmed over my post. I did not become "unhinged" over the rhino joke( in fact I posted a corrected version which was much funnier and more correct ). The joke was obviously not meant to be taken seriously and I think Steve's reaction was unwarranted. What I did take offense to was the fact that multiple people basically said that they were happy a tourist was killed by an elephant. On top of that someone asserted that "a$$h*1e redneck" is not a sector of the hunter demographic. Ignorant attitudes DO hurt our image with those who actually matter: those who don't have a strong opinion of hunting one way or the other.
Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I did skim the post. I shall go out and purchase cheap tools, lead-laced toys, and tainted dog food in your honor  | |||
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What I asserted was that "demographic" was used incorrectly in Ahrenberg's post. You're the idiot who identified "asshole redneck" as the demographic. Your comprehension has not improved. Of course, since you expanded on the joke, then apparently by your own definition, you have joined the asshole redneck demographic. Glad to have you aboard. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Yeah, and you were wrong..... But I can't understand why you would get testy. I wasn't trying to hurt your feelings. "Demographic" was not used incorrectly(see my above post or check Websters). I'm not sure why you are calling me an idiot. You are the one who can't seem to understand that a word can have more than one definition. As I said, I did not have a problem with the joke(except that the punchline should be "harder" not "longer"). I also said that Steve overreacted to the joke; after-all it is tongue-in-cheek: Rhinos are herbivores, so they would not eat human. You would have to be wound pretty tight to get upset about this. On the other hand, the people who expressed satisfaction that someone was killed by an elephant do typify the "ignorant redneck" demographic that is often used to portray all hunters. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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You and Ahrenberg are dead wrong. Perhaps if I type slowly you can understand the third time around? His sentence, as posted, was referring to the joke as a demographic ("this type of demographic"). The joke is NOT a demographic whether you use Webster's or any other definition. In your rush to try to prove me wrong, your INTERPRETATION that he was referring to a group consisting of the type of person who would tell such a joke is correct, but INTERPRETING someone's intent when they have used a term incorrectly is simply GUESSING what they MIGHT have meant. If you want to play word games, you need to step up in class. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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give it a rest, guys. the guy's family( assuming he lived long enough to dilute the gene pool)have probably received his Darwin Award trophy in his honor and i am sure have moved on with their lives..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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PERMISSION GRANTED:If I manage to get myself stomped, chomped, gored, clawed, bitten, eaten, or otherwise dead -- Please feel free find any humour you can in the situation. I fully admit it may be funny. I'd probably be the first to recognize it, but unfortunately, I won't be around to deliver the punch line. Please do it for me. If it has anything to do with my ethnicity, so be it. By the way, I'm basically a mutt -- Welsh and German. If you come up with anything really witty quick, please e-mail my widow. We may want to use it at the funeral. I'm serious! and thanks. | |||
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So you are admitting that the first time you read that you didn't understand that he was referring to Mark Clark as an example of a demographic and not the joke itself??????????? Wow!  Well, I'm glad that you figured it out. I have 5th grade students who take things as literally as you. They are placed in the "low comprehension" group. We do everything we can to help them to understand that you have to ask questions as you read so that you can "infer meaning" as it is often not literal. Many of them never leave the "low group". Luckily they can move to Texas and live quite happily. Some even amass 12,000+ posts on AR. But I still worry that they only understand about 25% of what they read. Sorry for being such a dick but I can't believe you posted something so asinine. Are you related to Shootaway? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Hi Jason,well played. Well, pigs have flown. You and I on the same side of an issue? I was having a hard time understanding Gato's complaint of my use the word demographic. I knew I was using it properly. I wonder if the person killed was the loved one of one of these guys making it into a joke, how they would see it then? I hunted with a guy killed by a Jumbo in Botswana, Christo Kaiser. I knew his wife and three daughters as well. Sad beyond comprehension. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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