I am in no way defending the video but this shows how the animals die. If you let that represent everyone in one of the worlds largest religions then take a look at how much of the meat we eat is forced to "live" in the few months before it dies. Does that distinguish Christianity?

I've got no problem with halal methods, but they can be done with respect. All that jeering and yelling was not respectful, and they could have quickly incapacitated the animal with another couple of bullets, then raced-in and done what was necessary. I don't think this needs to be on Youtube. Those guys weren't hunters. They were just dickheads with rifles.

In fairness, I should say I've worked with Muslim staff for decades who have very often performed their version of halal on hunted animals and they've always treated the animals with a great deal of respect.

The most common method I've witnessed is they'll just place the point of the knife into the bullet wound of the dead or very nearly dead animal and mutter a very short prayer and they've always been happy to eat the meat afterwards.

I've never seen any of my staff behave in the manner depicted in that disgusting video and if I had, I'd have kicked their arses to kingdom come and then sacked them.

The behaviour of the guys in the video has (to me at least) more in common with blood thirsty barbarians that it does with the Muslim behaviour I've ever witnessed when performing halal.

Piece of shit, pure and simple. I would LOVE to see this guy and his like in the bush, just me and him. Religion my ass, deserves the same.

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Originally posted by snowhound:
I am in no way defending the video but this shows how the animals die. If you let that represent everyone in one of the worlds largest religions then take a look at how much of the meat we eat is forced to "live" in the few months before it dies. Does that distinguish Christianity?

Like "sticking a pig" perhaps?

Animal cruelty, no matter what the reason, no matter by whom, no matter what purpose, remains animal cruelty and the perpetrators deserve to be publically castigated and suitably punished. It would be preferable that they be identified and banned from hunting anywhere in the world. The same should apply to any other like minded twats.

Utterly,utterly disgusting.What is shown are a bunch of louts with guns who deliberately maim animals, so that they could cut their throats. I dearly wished the Wildebeest at least horned a couple of them in their rears.

The operator and these idiots need to be named, shamed and prosecuted.

Best-
Locksley,R

Pigs

Not what needs to be shown in public.' Unacceptable behavior.

I have hunted with many African Muslims. They were always polite and respectful . Every single time, I was questioned about halaling the animals. I have never seen anything remotely close to this by anyone of them.

These guys are heartless barbarians.

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Originally posted by mambatz:
This is clearly poaching and nothing to do with Halal or the muslim religion. The are this hunt took place is Mto wa mbu, No one shoots Gerenuk and Laser kudu on resident permits.the camp is a photo safari camp and most of the poaching arabs stay at this lodge.
Someone should report this to the WD in Tanzania.

Mambatz

You are so right. As hunters we need to try to stop this from happening again. The outfitter/camp whatever should be put out of business. I see that you live in Tanzania. Could you not report this to the Wildlife Department?

Regards CF

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Luangwa_Lover new member posted 01 May 2013 00:08 Hide Post The aspect of making an animal Halaal to eat is very plain and simple. Whilst an animal is still alive, its neck needs to be cut in a certain manner using a very sharp knife in order to cause the animal the least stress and least pain. Its needs to done swiftly and I repeat, the animal needs to suffer the least stress whilst the act is being performed. The essence of the halaal process is to drain the blood out of the animal and it has to be done whilst the animal is still alive so that the blood exits quickly with the last heartbeats of the animal. Muslims believe that this is to purify the meat of the animal and it is a religious obligation of every muslim to make sure the meat has been slaughtered in the right manner by himself or a fellow muslim before eating it. It is not done for any other reason (being violent etc) I am a practising muslim, I have had people of different faiths and cultures hunt with me and they all respect my beliefs as It is stipulated in the Quran that an animal should not be distressed in any form when being halaald. The animal is to be given the utmost respect, and the tools that are to be used to perform the act should be of an acceptable standard in order for the animal to attain a swift death and to render the meat 'halaal' for any muslim to consume. I hope this is clear. The barbaric acts that were performed in one of the videos that was posted on another thread earlier is entirely against islamic beliefs and from my observation there was a lot of taunting of the animal before the halaal act took place. Posts: 4 | Registered: 29 January 2013

This answers the video clip rather succinctly and proves that those depicted should be denied any form of association with hunting and hunters. They should be ostracised and if possible, criminally prosecuted.

What I'd like to know is WTF inspired them to put such atrocious behaviour onto You Tube of all places so all & sundry can see it?

You'd think they at the very least be deeply ashamed of themselves for behaving so incredibly badly rather than be so proud of themselves they go public!

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Originally posted by shakari:
What I'd like to know is WTF inspired them to put such atrocious behaviour onto You Tube of all places so all & sundry can see it?

You'd think they at the very least be deeply ashamed of themselves for behaving so incredibly badly rather than be so proud of themselves they go public!

I agree. Some people are just wired differently. Obviously, these guys were wired a lot different than most of us. This has exactly zero to do with religion or hunting. This is a bunch of blood thirsty, no conscience, sorry mother f%#@ers. It is shocking to see such behavior especially publicized and these twats are proud of themselves.

Honestly, more of less half way through, I thought there was a massive over reaction to the video. The last half mist certainly changed my mind. Disgusting.

We need more complaints to Youutube about this video... The author is obviously proud of his video, as he is removing negativve comments too.

BTW - negative comments wont bring it down, you have to report it to Youtube.

I've spent a considerable portion of my life living and working in Africa and the Middle East. I feel fortunate to call many devout Muslims dear and trusted friends. What was displayed in this repulsive video has nothing to do with Koranic law and everything to do with moronic behavior.

Reason and faith are mutually exclusive, which explains how cruelties are often justified by misguided religious devotion.

My dad was a forest & wildlife officer in the Indian government in the 1950s. He retired in 1983.

In 1950 or so he was in the Waynad forest region of the South Western Ghats area. The local population had a muslim majority (called mopla or malabar muslims). A few of the village people went to poach gaur. They shot a young one for good tender beef. They used a muzzle loader. As soon as one guy fired and the animal went down, another guy ran to cut its throat. As he was performing the prayer ritual, the cow nailed him. They had to scoop him up and bring him to the village in a hessian sack!

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:
I would like to see those guys try that stunt on a poorly shot Cape Buffalo.

The heading of the post is misleading. The cruelty to the animal in the video is sickening. But such insensitive and supid conduct towards animals are seen from all sorts of people - not just muslims. This video has nothing in principle to do with halal or Islam. I hope people will stop making such connections as it sounds so prejudiced and ignorant.

For instance, a particular PH may be criticised for his style - but that does not condemn all European hunters or all Americans etc. No one challenges all European or American hunters on the conduct of that PH. Why do some challenge Saeed about this video?

Totally inappropriate and rude.

JMHO!

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
The heading of the post is misleading. The cruelty to the animal in the video is sickening. But such insensitive and supid conduct towards animals are seen from all sorts of people - not just muslims. This video has nothing in principle to do with halal or Islam. I hope people will stop making such connections as it sounds so prejudiced and ignorant.

For instance, a particular PH may be criticised for his style - but that does not condemn all European hunters or all Americans etc. No one challenges all European or American hunters on the conduct of that PH. Why do some challenge Saeed about this video?

Totally inappropriate and rude.

JMHO!

No one challenged Saeed you moron...

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This really has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.

It is a bunch of stupid idiots who have no business hunting.

It is as simple as that.

I don't think the title is misleading.

The people in the video make so much fuss about slaughtering the animals as they do with domestic animals.

The whole point of slaughter in the prescribed religion way is to make sure the animal dies as quickly as possible.

Most hunters prefer to make the killing of an animal to be done as quickly and efficiently as possible.

There are a few who prefer to make a grandstand of it.

Sadly, some are supported by some individuals on this forum.

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JMHO!

No one challenged Saeed you moron...

Morons, as is their nature, are challenged, some more so than others, but especially liberal morons.