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EXACTLY bcap, you got to the point here. What means hunting and being a hunter is the question behind all this. We should not try only to educated antis, but also hunters, or people in the way to become hunters. Even if you dont realize, through hunting you are preserving wildlife by giving value to it, by managing animal populations, you are also helping rural areas and you are preserving our common roots, the ancestral way of living. BUT the question is, if you really dont realize all the good things you are doing together with the shot, can you still be considered as a hunter? Shooting animals and pay for it, will do same benefit as I explained, but can be that shooter considered a hunter if he doesnt know and/or get compromised with, all the other things that hunting means?? Times are changing and if we dont act properly and fast, hunting will sadly come to an end very soon. We need to be conscious of the benefits we are giving to society and wildlife, and we need to explain it properly to the mass (that includes antis and other "hunters") Properly talking, I dont think you should ever be considered a real hunter if you dont realize of this and act accordingly. The problem is not how many animals you shot or the kind of animal, as long as that was HUNTING. Antis are winning the narrative mainly because we are not doing enough to explain the truth behind HUNTING but also because some dont even know that truth. That is the main reason I began with the project of Hunting Education and Conservation program and when the launch of it is ready, I expect most of you will join to push it and help in any way you can. | |||
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Just be a bit careful my friend. I initiated a similar project that rejuvenated a community and its lands and was so successful in my 12-year venture that I was taken over by some seriously disgusting people. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I know Andrew. You and many other operators are risking your money and health and even life, to help conservate wildlife and pay out is not always good. We will find no "ecologists" doing that kind of things, but the matter here is precisely very few people knows about all that. AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO SOLVE OUT ASAP. We need to do more, and we need to COMMUNICATE effectively all those things we do. And that is my project about, in which I can count from the very begining with the help of great hearted people like you my friend. | |||
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That is the problem as many of us as there is we just fight with in and let these small groups of people hurt guys like you. No matter what group it is we just eat ourselves from with in. There is just never one strong message from our side. | |||
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For your Info DSC Atlanta is CONFIRMED for 2026 Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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It is rather conspicuous that the only people I have heard bitching about this event (and others) are avid elephant hunters? Reminds me of deer hunters on many of the hunting forums who have something negative to say everytime someone shoots a stomper of a buck. Jealosy, envy, sour grapes, whatever you want to call it. Insecure grown men who never learned self control and to be happy for others in their success. Deer leases are full of these infants who can always find someway to twist someone elses accomplishment into something immoral or detrimental to the sport. | |||
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[/QUOTE] For your Info DSC Atlanta is CONFIRMED for 2026[/QUOTE] I heard the same from a couple of outfitters over the weekend, said the emails requesting full payment for booth space has a logo showing "DSC Atlanta 2026". One out fitter told me he had received 3 emails in the past couple of weeks saying he would lose booth space if not paid for in full by March 1, 2025.In the past the paid in full date has been August 1 prior to convention. Might be a shortage of funds after this years convention, or, maybe they don't really have a huge waiting list of exhibitors clamoring to be in Atlanta and trying to get booths filled. Some outfitter friends say they aren't paying and will see if the club contacts them later in the year with one last chance. I do know some exhibitors are decreasing the number of booths they will have next year, two exhibitors that had 6-8 booths apiece are going down to 1-2 booths. that should allow some "new" guys to exhibit. Couple of sponsors have indicated their level of sponsorship will decrease. Going to be really interesting to see what they can do to make the next convention a huge success both financially and in good will. Karl Evans | |||
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With the exhibitors all upset , to demand full payment earlier seems like a really stupid idea . | |||
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Agreed. Not a smart move. I suppose there are some outfitters that will show up at the DSC show no matter what. Too invested, or co-opted, to walk away. But certainly not all of them will do that. After this year's debacle in Atlanta, I expect that many will just skip DSC and instead spend their marketing money on SCI. We shall see. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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You might be right, I’ve heard from a few that, just to keep their booth space, they might buy one booth (booth spaces went up $200.00 this year, haven’t heard if next year increased as well) and either have one staff member man the booth or hire a model to pass out brochures. Nice looking young lady would certainly bring guys by the booth  . Many are planning on concentrating efforts on TTHA/SCI show in Dallas…where their customer base is located. Karl Evans | |||
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Sure beats all the ugly professional hunters with all the make up on!  | |||
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I heard from a couple of PH friends of mine that Atlanta was a disaster, but they both stated they had excellent business at SCI. This hurts my heart! In years past, DSC had it all over SCI and now this, USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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So if SCI can put on a good show East of the Mississippi, why can DSI not do so? | |||
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SCI is trying, to sort their problems out. DSC are CREATING their new problems. Good people have been replaced by incompetent nincompoops!  | |||
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I think there are some fundamental issues. Most people historically attending SCI had to travel . Moving to Nashville actually made it easier for most. Most of those attending DSC did not have to travel. They drove . Now they have to travel . That is a major difference. Atlanta is not an appealing destination. The DSC hierarchy flat out lied about the need to move . That has pissed off many as did moving it out of TX. | |||
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Very true sir, but it begs the question; why the lie? USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Well, if folks are upset to travel then DSC needs to surrender any hope of being a larger, national organization that can compete w SCI. The works and hunting works is bigger than Texas. I joined SCI specifically because they came East first. Now, lying to members and exhibitors is self defeating. | |||
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Good question. I have a theory but nothing supported by facts. | |||
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People lie when they know they are doing something wrong! | |||
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From my end, if the org is about hunting the world over, then where the convention is at is somewhat a nonissue… I’m willing to take even in this day of intercontinental jet travel trips that take multiple days to get somewhere and hunt there. Going to a first world airport (even if it’s second tier like Reno) is a nonissue. What does Atlanta, or for that matter, Nashville offer the organization and does it help the mission? I agree that SCI seems to becoming better run, although it could be they are just hiding the sausage making better. DSC may have had good reasons to change to Atlanta, but their lack of openness as to why and the unwillingness to be open is something that kills volunteer run organizations. I get that the Texas members liked it being within driving distance, and that would certainly help with getting volunteer help; but the lying is going to kill them. | |||
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These are all valid points.
Can you explain to us how this is a fact? | |||
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I'm late to this party (not on forums much these days), but i'll offer my observations. I've been a lifetime member of SCI and DSC for a long time. Long enough to watch two local SCI chapters rise and fall. SCI was (for lack of a better word) a SHITSHOW for many years; from canned hunting, to putting scores above ethics, having an "elitist" attitude, and general mismanagement. They became the hunting version of the NRA. Because of this, I leaned toward DSC more in my loyalty and thought DSC put on a better convention for the "common man". But honestly, things have flipped in the last couple years. I feel like Corey Mason kind of ran things badly the last couple years as CEO, and left the mess to the new CEO right before the 2025 convention. Atlanta was clearly a horrible choice. Georgia is a great pro-hunting state overall, but Atlanta is not hunter-friendly and is a craphole. When Vegas got bad, SCI was smart enough to move to a hunter-friendly big city that people feel safe in. Now I hear that the new CEO of DSC (Rob McCanna) is "doubling down" and going with Atlanta again for 2026. Absolutely stupid. I had many friends with booths in Atlanta, and most stated that they won't attend that show again if it's in Atlanta. Many attendees were complaining that the event staff in Atlanta was extremely rude, and many paying members were denied access due to employee incompetence. With that said, this years SCI show in Nashville was THE BEST hunting convention i've been to in my life. The place was bustling with activity, and almost every booth was full of customers. I myself booked a Buffalo hunt for this year. Flights, hotels, and retal cars were cheap and the people of Nashville are fantastic. It was nice going downtown to Broadway and Painters Alley to party, and seeing all the big signs welcoming hunters to Nashville. No other city has ever given us that type of reception. There is definately a role-reversal taking place between SCI and DSC right now. | |||
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Can you explain to us how this is a fact? Here is part of a press release from July 2023, there is a thread on here associated with this release, I believe some posts were by current and former board members, all saying that DSC had to move because the convention center in Dallas wouldn’t work for them. “posted 19 July 2023 14:50 This letter and video announcement are sent to share with you that DSC is moving our annual Convention away from Dallas for a few years beginning in 2025. The City of Dallas recently announced a multi-year plan to demolish and rebuild the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center, the site of our event for the last 14 years. While there is excitement about what will be a state-of-the-art facility here in Dallas, this massive project requires DSC to find a new home for our Convention for the years 2025-2029, until construction is complete.” Karl Evans | |||
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Sounds like Houston Safari Club | |||
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Again, how is this a "lie" in July of 2023? Do you have the original bond referendum and results? The Schedule for funding? Schedule for Design, permitting or construction? Were all met? is the project behind? Was a hard decision made on a less than hard schedule (i.e. an opening that worked that didn't leave the Association in a bind so an executive decision was made to take the risk)? I'm not giving these guys a pass, maybe they lied, but that is a bold accusation that carries serious weight. These are complicated matters that require years of planning and scheduling, things rarely go as scheduled. | |||
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Considering TTHA/SCI took the exact dates that DSC had a KBH, makes it hard to believe that KBH is being torn down and rebuilt. | |||
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KBH is being torn down and rebuilt, the start date has been pushed. | |||
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Is terminally stupid better than malicious? Maybe to God but not to me. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Do you know when this might begin? Don’t think it will happen anytime soon, but I might be wrong. Karl Evans | |||
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DSC seems tone deaf. I got an email today offering a 25% discount to upgrade my life membership to "legacy" I believe is what they called it for an additional $5000, presumably discounted by 25%. But it had to be done soon. Maybe they could return DSC to Dallas soon. | |||
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KBHCC Renovation This is a low info timeline, I am sure you can find more detailed information online. The idea started in '21, It appears that things started to go pear shaped in '23, redesigned floor plans, tying to a new high speed rail system. Says they started Construction in June of '24 but doesn't look encouraging because they brought in a new CM (which means they fired an old one). I have been in the Construction business for decades and this looks like a typical government job. There is a pot of $3.7B, countless consultants, special interest groups, contractors and committees have a say in how its spent. Everyone and their dog is trying to get in and get their piece. It will get done, and it will be impressive when it does. But it won't be fast, efficient, on schedule or in budget. Perhaps there was something nefarious in the way DSC set the Atlanta deal up, but if I had to guess, It would be that they heard something, jumped too early and then did a shit job of communicating to their membership what was going on (perhaps even lied to cover their mistake). If Houston Safari Club had the sense God Gave a goat, they would be scrambling to expand and market their show as a serious alternative. But they don't, their too busy being a closed elitist club taking turns giving each other awards for their superior hunting prowess. If the DSC membership truly wanted to take the reigns away from current management, this is their best opportunity. Organize, Don't rebook your booth(s), Don't attend the show, it will come back to Texas. They might make one more year, but they won't make two. Not many have the discipline or stomach for that though, they'll just bitch in the back rooms. | |||
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I would suggest that you look at HSC 990's. They can't expand. I've looked at SCI 990'S too and they can't seem to turn a profit. KBH with a high speed rail, to where? Not on the DART line. Maybe the pipe dream of the Dallas to Houston line. There is already high speed from Dallas to Houston, it's called Southwest Airlines. | |||
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Hmm, why would a not for profit want to turn a profit? | |||
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https://www.wfaa.com/article/s...81-bdc4-547ae972bfb7 Basically, the city is investing $15M in KBHCC for the World Cup, but it’s also tearing it down. I do know the SCI/TTHA show plans to be around in Dallas. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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Simple solution. DSC and HSC need to merge. Houston has a perfectly adequate facility, the George R. Brown. DSC/HSC could hold their conventions there until the KBH is finished and then they could alternate between cities after that. Makes perfect sense, but doubt it will happen for the reasons I left HSC and joined DSC. | |||
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Yep…I posted about this on one of the other threads right after it was decided. The powers that be at the City are much more excited about the World Cup than DSC. Karl Evans | |||
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The two groups had a meeting regarding this sort of thing in October 2023 (believe that is correct), apparently not much came of it. Karl Evans | |||
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I would think the WC would bring a lot more people to the city. | |||
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Do we know for sure they are going back to atl. for 2026. I see on there site it show atl 2026 | |||
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Karl, The solution is so obvious. I realize there are a lot of egos involved, but those should be secondary to the ultimate goal. They need a better mediator and they need to go back to the table. If they don't I blame both of them. This is an opportunity. A challenge, yes, but mostly an opportunity. | |||
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