Found this link yesterday. Reads like a who's who of Zimbabwe politics/influence.

http://www.swradioafrica.com/pages/farms.htm

-Steve

George

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"Shoot straight, shoot often, but by all means, use enough gun!"

Unfortunately, some folks are buying this....

I do have a few rhetorical questions - Where are the Hollywood idiots that were screaming of the injustice in RSA? Where is Danny looking-out-for-number-1 Glover, or Michael I'm-really-a-communist Moore, or Barbra cross-me-and-I'll-kill-ya Strisenburger, or Reverend Jess I�m-not-your-father-kid Jackson, and Sean got-nothing-else-to-do Penn? Why are they not in Zimbabwe staging protests and rasing money for the folks that have been unjustly run off their land? Where are all these proponents for peace and justice? Why is it that when Whites are being mistreated that no one is running to their defense? Could this be another shining example of racism???

This week a new law has been passed to our police they are not allowed to use lethal force to arrest anybody unless they are in mortal danger.

In other words you come around someone who is raping a wowen a very common sight he runs and you have to run you can't shoot him to stop him. The criminals have more rights than the cops how are they suppose to work. "Please stop running I would like to hand you these lovely stainless steel handcuffs and I'll show you how they work" : )

I don't know but they have just told you criminals can do what ever you want as long as you run when you get spotted they can't do anything to you.

Safari-Hunt

www.Safari-Hunt.com

Gone are the good ole days where you could actually stop the bad guys and do so in a manner that would make the next guy in line stop and think - �maybe I should get a job today rather than knocking over this old lady�. Sorry to hear of the change in law. Jo'Burg will be even a more dangerous place for it.

After 22 years with a metropolitan police department, the only reason I stay is because I have a slather of young-uns that need their dad employed, and its pretty tough to make a living selling guns.

Thanks for the support- QW

Please give us your ideas on what is happening in Zim

Mike

However, to answer your inquiry, I am not a racist. As a matter of fact, I abhor racism of all kinds, including the thinly disguised racism imposed on Whites. But it's not politically correct to point out this type of racism now is it?

That new law are gone give us hell on earth, I don't know how they can pass such an law.

Why is it always the poor, picked-upon blacks. They never seem to take the higher ground. Zim is run by them, but protect white folks? Yous gotta be kiddin'.

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Originally posted by MLindsay:
AW

Please give us your ideas on what is happening in Zim

Mike

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Mike,
The indigenous people of Zimbabwe have waited over 20 years to get back what was snatched from them (ie.. their land). So now, they have lost their patience , and are taking back what is rightfully theirs.
The problem with people on this forum, is they feel their sport is being threatened, hence the apparent crocodile tears for the whites in Zimbabwe. Bet you guys would sing a different tune if Mugabe offered cheap hunts to you'll in return for your endorsement of his policies.
AW.

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S-H - Unfortunately, now you know what it is like for our boys in blue over here. You must have the 15 step checklist complete before you can even un-holster your weapon. God forbid that you actually shot someone, the paperwork will kill you and you must immediately retain an attorney for the cascade of law suites.

Gone are the good ole days where you could actually stop the bad guys and do so in a manner that would make the next guy in line stop and think - �maybe I should get a job today rather than knocking over this old lady�. Sorry to hear of the change in law. Jo'Burg will be even a more dangerous place for it.

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Zero Drift,
Pretty good stuff, bearing in mind you live in a country where more members of the law enforcement agencies are are killed by friendly fire than by villains.
Tell me, was it a mentally challenged person who filled the test tube that produced you?
AW.

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You mentioned Native Americans, now if the blacks in southern Africa were smart they would build casinos and make lots of money in a simple legal fashion. They could sell tourism items and countless other items. What is truly apparent is that robbin bob lacks imagination. I wouldn�t have too much of a problem with the state repossessing all the farms the in Zimbabwe if they actually compensated the owners.

Again there are countless other ways that he could have accomplished the same thing but in a legal and ethical way. I don�t think Mugabe knows the meaning of the words ethics.

Ray

Of course, we feel a kinship for the whites in Africa. They are a reminder of our own pioneer past; European immigrants came to the U.S. and built the most powerful nation on earth out of the wilderness by the force of their will.

You haven't established any bona fides here, and by your contemptuous manner, I suspect you are just another anti-hunting troll.

George

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This is a problem of perception and understanding. Everyone wants to believe in the myth that the African land was stolen from the African blacks. This comes largely from a total ignorance of African history. Somehow, everyone seems to think that Africa was totally black and that no white race has ever had any legal claim to the land. If this were true, then man needs to immediately turn over all properties, wealth, and holdings to the apes. After all, they were clearly here well before Homo sapiens came on the scene.

Unfortunately, most folks run around in a state of ignorance and denial. The cold, hard facts are difficult for many to face. AW, if you want to believe that African blacks have been enslaved by the white man, go ahead. If you want to believe that whites have no claim to the land in Africa, go ahead. However, history clearly demonstrates you are quite wrong.

My interest in and defense of Africa is not about hunting. It is about people. I have many friends both white and black in Southern Africa who have faced oppression, racism, and injustice. Two acquaintances were murdered in Zimbabwe defending their homes and their rightful property. Their murders were identified but not prosecuted. Two Zulu trackers whom I hunted with in 1990 were murdered by ANC types while defending farms outside of Jo�burg. Again, no prosecution.

AW, I fully realize than nothing that I am going to say will change your mind. My only hope is to challenge you enough so that you will pick up a history book and read for yourself. To ensure you are getting the whole truth, I suggest that you read many books on the subject. Learn the facts before you open your mouth, it makes you appear more intelligent. And BTW, your amateurish jabs have not consequence with me.

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Of course, we feel a kinship for the whites in Africa. They are a reminder of our own pioneer past; European immigrants came to the U.S. and built the most powerful nation on earth out of the wilderness by the force of their will.

You haven't established any bona fides here, and by your contemptuous manner, I suspect you are just another anti-hunting troll.

George

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George,
What pioneer past?
Anti hunting troll? You must be kidding my friend,but then unlike you and your friends I do not suffer from hot air.
No, Mugabe has done a lot for his people , all he wants is to get back what is rightfully his, and his people's.
I actually support ZanuPF and have recently taken out full membership of this great political party. My membership subs are paid for the year.
The rest of the world should learn from Mr. Mugabe, ie.. the native Indians from North America, the Aboriginals from Aus and the Maoris.
As a white person, I am ashamed of my race.
AW.

Garby,
Your transparent attempt at snobbery is pathetic. Please try again , this time please extract your mindless little head from your rectum.
AW.

The country is in ruins. Millions of his loyal blacks will soon be facing starvation. Zimbabwe was once considered the bread basket of Africa because of its farm production - farm production that does not exist today. Disease of all forms is rampant. There is little medical help in the country. There is no immunization. The military cannot afford the most basic spare parts. Few government employees are bing paid today. None of the war vets have been compensated nor are receiving welfare as Mugabe promised when elected. The police are out of control and have broken down into regional rivalry. Formal education is non-existent. Infrastructure is circa 1974 - the date that the present government assumed power. International business has pulled out of the country. No new international investments are forthcoming. If you had the money to afford a car, there is no petrol to run it. The Zimbabwe dollar which was once powerful is valueless - both in-country and out. The airport suffers from numerous power outages every day. And Black on Black crime is horrendous. The Zimbabwe economy is now in the same class as Rwanda & Burundi. Zambia has even closed its boarder to keep starving Zim refugees out of their country.

No, the only person in the country that is better off since �independence� is Mugabe. And thanks to mis-informed folks like you, he will continue to laugh as his people die in the streets. All he has accomplished is to continue to prove that Black Africa is incapable of productive self-rule. Yea, Mugabe is a great guy and you are a total turd for even suggesting he has done anything positive for his country or African blacks. I am incensed that a once productive country has been turned into another African cesspool and all of us sat by and watched it happen.

Get an education child.

You're a Marxist (or a sympathizer). You feel Marxists can do no wrong. History has shown us how well Marxism works.

The two "real" Marxist states left (North Korea, Cuba) are economic basket cases. China only works because they allow capitalism.

All the rest of the nations run by Marxist or re-labeled Marxists rely on massive foreign aid, and/or permit some sectors of the economy to operate without government interference.

Mugabe has unleashed his Fifth Brigade on black Zimbabweans in the past; his police on trade unionists; and his ZANU-PF thugs and war vets on white Zimbabweans (do you agree that they are Zimbabweans, or do you also consider them "settlers"?).

In over twenty years of "leadership", he has enriched himself and his cronies while allowing his people and economy to suffer.

Donor countries no longer give Zim cash for projects; they manage the projects directly.
Is that because they're racists, or because they've seen that their direct aid vanished into the private coffers of ZANU-PF elite?

Power in Harare was turned off during the day; water service was unreliable. The unemployment was 50% in 1999, and I doubt it has gotten better.

The more ZANU-PF squeezes, the more its people suffer. If all the commercial farms are seized, who will feed the people of Zimbabwe?

They have gone from an exporter of food, to the brink of famine. Whose fault is that?

BTW, when and where did you hunt? Have you ever set foot in Zimbabwe? Have you spoken with the people of Zimbabwe (without ZANU-PF chaperones)?

I have, and their tale of woe and privation cannot help but turn your stomach.

As for our pioneer past, do you think the native Americans (who migrated from Asia thousands of years ago) developed this country? Was it paved and built when the English, Dutch, Spanish, and French arrived?

How do you think this land was opened up? Was it opened by effete intellectuals who opine and pontificate, or by hardy people willing to risk everything to make a better life for themselves?

This was the same reason many whites went to Africa 100 or more years ago.

It doesn't surprise me that you just "popped up" out of nowhere. We have anti-hunting trolls do so from time to time.

Welcome to AR. Now, bugger off!

George

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Now I am forced to surf the web for a more enlightened, intellectual, and suitable foe. Your unable to carry on a simple discussion. I guess that makes you the pride of public education in the UK. When you get into 9th grade, take some history courses.

Alas, you bore me.