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The result: parboil the legs with a dash of lemon juice, and then dip in egg and roll in cracker crumbs. Fry until done. Best dang frog legs ever!

Try seasoning them and then grilling them like a steak. I started doing that about 3 years ago. Really good if you can grill them over mesquite.

We have two seasons for Bull Frogs here in N.C.



Salt and Pepper!

I wonder what had happened to another silly idea I heard about in the past?

Shooting elephants with paint balls?

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Salt and Pepper!

I used ti think that way until I tried grilling them, same with Cottontail rabbits.

Frog is good other way.

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson Man, how does such a discussion go south? Who gives a damn what you call it? Just go do it how you want to - and have fun!

Actually we are totally on topic of "is a green hunt a real hunt"?
Quite a variety of opinions I would say.

Fair enough! Then is a white rhino "shoot", a hunt? Only if you've never actually been on one, would you really consider it as such!

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson Man, how does such a discussion go south? Who gives a damn what you call it? Just go do it how you want to - and have fun!

Actually we are totally on topic of "is a green hunt a real hunt"?
Quite a variety of opinions I would say.

Fair enough! Then is a white rhino "shoot", a hunt? Only if you've never actually been on one, would you really consider it as such!

Anything done on a farm chasing farm bred animals cannot be classified as a proper hunt.

I bet the people getting paid for such a event don't care what it is called by someone else!!!!!

Congratulations gentlemen! Thanks to Lying Aid, y'all are now rock stars.

Pieter Scat with Lying Aid posted the following on the NO TRADE / PRO TRADE Rhino Debate Facebook page.

In addition, his post included a link to FORUMS.ACCURATERELOADING.COM - Is a green hunt a hunt? - Topic

Oh, by the way, if you post pro sustainable hunting comments on Lying Aid's Facebook page, you will be introduced to the dreaded Lying Aid ban stick. Just ask Andrew.

Cheers my friends!

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Pieter Kat shared a link. - Yesterday at 5:56 PM

It would appear that a “green hunt” does not appeal to hunters.

For those who do not know what a “green hunt” is -

Instead of shooting an animal dead, for a much reduced price a “hunter” is allowed to shoot an animal with a dart rifle. The chemicals in the dart knock the animal for six, and while the animal is “out”, the hunter gets to pose for all the usual pictures.

This is just complete nonsense. It just panders to the manic desire for hunters to pose with “selfies”. What is all that about to begin with?

A white rhino on a private ranch (where these “green hunts” mostly take place) is no more difficult to shoot with a dart than a cow.

What is wrong with these people?

And, as the comments on this page reveal, after being darted for many photo opportunities, the rhino is then killed by a higher-paying (and less “green”?) hunter.

Let’s just face facts shall we? And make some much-needed recommendations?

1. Green hunts are for entertainment. Why else would anyone want to dart an animal toposefor a selfie? Is this not just a gross abuse of animal welfare?

2. Privately owned rhinos are there to be used for whatever commercial income comes to the owners. They can dehorn them, kill them, dart them, sell them to China, whatever

3. Privately owned rhinos are there to make money, not to conserve anything. Ian Player got it badly wrong.

4. There should be a complete cessation of any further sales of wild rhinos to private owners on the regular public game auctions. As stated above, these rhinos just become the playthings of trophy hunters for the exclusive financial benefit of private owners.
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Lying AIDS is run by an idiot who know nothing about animals and conservation.

Animals, any animals, that are not of value to humans is worth nothing.

Lying AIDS can jump up and down as much as they like, this is a very simple fact born by reality.

Imagine how many cows, pigs, goats, comels, sheep, chicken and even worthless idiot like the ones running Lying Aid would be alive today if humans did not eat these animals and breed them.

Hey, zombies running Lying Aid, may be you should get your heads out of your collective rear ends and face reality for a change!

Hunting and hunters come in many forms.

Just like humans.

Some are normal human beings who go about their own business making a living and enjoying life.

Others, as typified by Lying Aid, are worthless, low lives, who have no redeeming aspect in them but to spend all their times trying to stop others doing what they enjoy.

Get a bloody life idiots!

It had been two years since ole Cecil was murdered by a rich, white, male, dentist from America.

Lying Aid's (along with Stop Da Bear Hunt folks) efforts to protest the proposed bear hunt in Florida were successful beyond their wildest expectations. The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission was a cheeky lot but folded like a cheap suit when Lying Aid's leaders arrived at a nearby airport to protest Florida's proposed bear hunts.

The smell of victory remained in their nostrils when their fearless, battle hardened leaders returned to Brexitville. It was time to party like a rock star! To this very day, hot tea bags and confetti can still be seen strewn across HQ floors.

Lately, victories had been as rare as hen's teeth. Unreliable sources have confirmed that the victory party was so intense and emotional that associates called in sick for several days after the party due to hot tea hangovers.

But not all was well at HQ my friends. It was "rumored" that Lying Aid's accountants were complaining that donations had decreased to dangerously low levels. The brutal murder of ole Cecil was no longer making headlines and the alleged cold blooded rich murderer had been exonerated in the court of public opinion.

The smell of despair and fear were in the air. Daily strategy meetings were the norm. Photos of murdered elk, moose, caribou, grizzly, etc. were pasted on all four walls of the war room. Panic had set in among the brave keyboard ARA warriors.

During their strategy meetings, a television located in their war room was always turned on (but muted). Because of the upcoming Brexit, changes were a coming over at the U.K.'s parliament. Perhaps the time had come to throw out the trophy hunter's enablers and ban the importation of lion, elephant, leopard, and cockroach body parts.

Periodically, optimism would rear it's head, but their leaders would continuously remind the brave keyboard ARA warriors "It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings." Their leaders were hardened and experienced warriors and they understood that snatching victory from the jaws of defeat wouldn't come easily. During their earlier ARA campaigns, blood had been shed. As a result, fingernail clippers and metal fingernail files were banned at HQ.

A sense of urgency was undeniable at HQ. Then one day last week, the morning's strategy meeting was about to conclude when one of the brave keyboard ARA warriors pointed at the television screen and screamed "Hey y'all, look it's a rhino!"

The brave keyboard ARA warrior's associates began to dance on the conference room table while cheering with unbridled joy! One of them even yelled "Remember the Alamo!" (hmm, or did she yell "Viva la Cecil"? ).

With encouragement from their leaders, the brave keyboard ARA warriors were mustered and dispatched to the trenches (aka - cubicles) with "Remember the Alamo" still ringing in their ears.

It was time to rally behind their fearless leaders! Unconditional surrender was their nonnegotiable goal/objective. Any future requests by the trophy hunters, SCI, and DSC for quarters would be denied without hesitation. Ole Cecil's murder by a rich, white, male, dentist from America had to be revenged. His survivors expected and demanded nothing less from the brave keyboard ARA warriors.

Their leaders were jubilant and re-energized! The sound of brave keyboard ARA warriors pecking away at their respective keyboards was emotionally overwhelming. Without delay, tissue dispensers were procured and strategically located throughout HQ.

Once again, donations would be forthcoming thanks to the brave keyboard ARA warriors and their emotional and ignorant supporters.

.... and everyone lived happily ever after!

"Viva la Cecil"!!!!!!!!

DA END

Disclaimer: This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents are either the products of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental.

I suppose if one didn't have any "backup" it could be called a hunt..I wouldn't cherish the thought of stopping a Rhino charge with a dart!!

I think the words GREEN and HUNT do not fit together.

What next, a VEGETARIAN HUNT?

To be honest, IMO a "green" hunt is like washing your feet with your socks on".

JMO.

BH63

Folks,

I think someone said this already but all those times when I was a kid that I didn't bring any game home at day's end having seen nothing to shoot at, having blown the stalk or flat missed the target never did it cross my mind that I had not hunted. To me the pursuit of the game is the hunting whether it be in the wilderness or a fenced game farm. The actual shooting at the end is almost anticlimactic.

To the question asked I very much believe that a white rhino dart is a hunt if done properly. I witnessed one that involved shooting from the helicopter and I didn't like it at all.

Mark

When you go HUNTING, it is for the intention of killing an animal.

Whether you are successful or not, it is still a HUNT.

Going out purposely to tag an animal is never going to be a HUNT.

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I witnessed one that involved shooting from the helicopter and I didn't like it at all. Mark

Who are we to judge? If its the only way I could ever "complete" the big 5 after KILLING an ele, buff, leopard and lion. Then what's wrong with paying a few extra bucks to just fly around the pasture and dart a rhino from a helicopter. Back to camp in time for breakfast and never even break a sweat! I mean, hunting is hunting, right?

Now you mention it, someone afflicted with the World Famous SCI MINE IS BIGGER THAN YOURS syndrome, a green hunt makes sense

JCS271

I think your probably not serious in your statement above but what I said was that I didn't like it. I didn't say shooting from the helicopter was right, wrong or otherwise.

Mark

The answer is no this is not a hunt but has all the elements of hunting in it.

I'm still pissed the White Rhino is allowed as one of the Big 5...

When you shoot a DG animal, it knows it's life is in danger or it is hurt and things get primitive real quick.

Dart a rhino and it wanders around until it topples over, often never knowing what happened.

Not any different than just a photograph IMO.

BH63

While recognizing that some believe that green hunts are not "hunts", an interesting story.

I mentioned above the book Black Rhino by Ron Thomson. Thomson was involved in the effort in Zimbabwe to dart black rhinos located outside of major parks and to relocate them to parks like Hwange and Gonarezhou. The program was started in the 1960's and ran until the early 1970's. During the program there were a handful of park rangers that were responsible for darting the rhino. Two of those were seriously gored.

One of those that was gored was Paul Coetsee. My guess is that Paul would tell you that darting black rhinos was hunting . . . in fact far more dangerous hunting that anything done with a rifle but that is beside the point. The point of the story is about his survival against seemingly all odds.

When Paul was gored they were unable in the field to make radio contact with anyone to arrange an evacuation. That meant that someone had to run back to the main camp, something like five miles, to use the radio. When the evacuation was arranged rather than send a helicopter, for some unknown reason they sent a plane. That meant that they had to transport Paul to a landing strip. While the plane was in route to Harare at night the engine failed and they crash landed in a field. During the landing the plane flipped. A farm house was nearby and someone ran to the farm house to arrange for another evacuation. They sent a helicopter this time. Once Paul was loaded on the helicopter, the helicopter failed to restart. It took some time to get the helicopter started and on its way to Harare. Over the following months Paul made a complete recovery and went back to darting rhino.

Amazing story of determination . . . about someone that was not "hunting".

Just another example of the problem that is affecting ALL hunters, and few if any want to open their eyes and minds.

Whether it is killing an animal in any manner or darting an animal for research or fun, the enemies of hunting/hunters want it ALL STOPPED, no EXCEPTIONS.

Hunters really need to set themselves down individual and address the FACT that not all of us that hunt, do so for the EXACT same reasons, feel about hunting in the EXACT same manner nor share the EXACT same personal ethics/ethical beliefs concerning hunting.

As long as hunters divide themselves into sects we are going to keep seeing hunting taken away from us, bit by bit.

This discussion is a prime example of the continual "Line Drawing" that hunters as a group simply cannot move away from.

CHC,

With all possible respect, you remind us of this same feeling you have almost daily.

I would imagine the hunters who first used spears to kill a Mammoth believed the tribes chasing them over a cliff were unethical too.

Don't be so irritated.

We had dinner with some friends, and I mention going on GREEN HUNT.

Next thing I herd "What fruits and vegetables are you after"?

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Don't be so irritated.

It is not irritation, it is REALITY!

You along with others miss the whole point.

Among HUNTERS, too many of us differentiate, between who is and who isn't a REAL hunter. Point being, how many feel or will admit to feeling/believing that unless or until an individual hunts in Africa, they are not really a hunter?

How many feel or believe that simply because a hunter obeys the WRITTEN LAWS, that does not mean they are an ETHICAL HUNTER, such as shooting an animal at a water hole or from or near a vehicle?

It has nothing to do with irritation, but HONESTY!