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Originally posted by 500grains:
A good way for a guy to get hissself in trouble.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
jfm

This is why I think the 450/400 double rifle, ESPECIALLY if scoped, is the best choice for the modern client, for his heavy rifle.

First, I have found the double rifle to be the superior hunting rifle, over the bolt rifle when shots are under 250 yards.
Now this is comparing double, and bolt rifles, of equal calibres and sighting systems.

The double rifle is FAR superior to the bolt in the final stages of a charge.

The 450/400's are usually lighter than teh rifles in the 450/475 class, which is very important to the modern hunter on long walk/stalks.

It has enough power to handle most any situation.

I still think it waa John Taylors favorite.

And to see what other hunters, "back in the day" thought about it, I suggest you read "The Rifle Its Development for Big Game Hunting" by S.R. Truesdell.

Since it is somewhat difficult to take more than 2 rifles, it is prudent to have a 2 gun battery, where each gun could do the work of the other, if one becomes disabled.

I have used my 450/400 on game as varied as skunks and armidillos, deer and pigs, black bear, caribou, warthog, baboon, zebra, cape buff, bull elephant and lion.

So my vote as best allround, would go to the 450/400 double {scoped], it makes a good "attack" rifle and a good "stopping" rifle.

As a client on Safari, you need to have both "needs" covered IMHO.

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Originally posted by Macifej:

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I bet it will "Knock the Stuffings" out of these "Dangerous Game Animals"

I'd use those 45-70 loads on a Dangerous Stuffed Thanksgiving Turkey.

Pichon - this is the only real Aussie beer I can get locally...

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
Macifej

There was one time, when I stepped out to brain an elephant at three yards, if that rifle was made in a 458, I could have put it to good use.

However, my "regular" 450 double was able to get me out of a "little" drama.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
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"Around 1960, Fred Barnes built himself a
475 A&M-chambered rifle, based upon a
sporterized Enfield action. ... that rifle weighed
no more than 8 pounds. ... his initial handloading
combined stiff charges of IMR 3031 behind his
600-grain bullets. His friends and a small group of
well-wishers went to an informal shooting range...
Fred sat down... [in a] sitting position. He took dead
aim at a the base of a small juniper tree, which was
tenuously hanging on at the top edge of a roadway
cutbank.

"When Fred pulled the trigger, everyone was watching
for the impact. The shot went low. The tree was summarily
uprooted! ... then as a group, they looked around to find
what Barn's reaction might be. There he was, located
several feet behind his original position lying on his back,
arms out stretched, holding his rifle above his head. Dust
from the muzzle blast and his ignoble recoil-induced slide
(he had absorbed well over 110 foot-pounds of energy) was
still stirring when Fred asked, matter-of-factly, "Anybody
want to buy a rifle?" He found no takers."

F Barnes.
Cartridges of the World
10th Edition"

Smiler

Chuck

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Originally posted by Bryan Chick:
Why don't we just agree that a 105mm recoiless rifle might be a proper stopping weapon in thick stuff

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Originally posted by Macifej:

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Originally posted by RIP:
Yep, a Speer AGS in a 45-70 is like a sledgehammer with no handle.

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"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982

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