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No disrespect intended to any PH, and hope for the quick recovery of those most recently afflicted, but this question crossed my mind. How confident would you be in the "cojones" of a PH who was fresh back from a serious injury due to a charge? His/her job is to sort out the tough stuff, but how do you know he/she hasn't lost their nerve? | ||
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I voted yes, since I believe that the more likely result is that they would be at a heightend state of alert and care, not that they would be un-nerved. Mike | |||
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Any body who has worked for more than a few years full time around dangerous game has had at least one close call. Most of us get away with it- usually with the thought along the lines of 'that was a bloody silly thing to do, won't try that again'. The unlucky get clobbered. the very unlucky get shot by their clients whilst something large is clobbering them... Clif walker was asked by a learner PH on this years proficiency exams for a few tips...Clif (who is a very experienced and hugely respected PH) looked the candidate in the eyes and said with a straight face..."you want a tip? Well here's a good one...don't follow a wounded lion into the sugar cane". PH's who have never had a close call take risks that those who have been thumped would think hard about!. There are times when there is no alternative but to try something dangerous...but you look at all the angles first. | |||
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Generally, I would have no problem - unless, of course, he had been bitten in the ass while running away. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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My PH - Wayne Bartlett - had been mauled by a leopard a few years ago. Didnt seem to slow him down any on our Cape buffalo and plains game hunts last month. In fact, his favorite game to hunt continues to be leopard and I understand he is damn good at it. He said I would be back in a year or two. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to hunt with him again. NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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Would I – yes. Less of a concern then hunting with a PH freshly gored/dumped by his girlfriend!  Cliff at the proficiency exam…that just brings a smile (or is it a smirk!) to my face every time I think of it! Talk to your PH, all have had situations. Whether they were chewed on, hooked, clawed, trunked, or fell out of a tree…or had a situation that could have been deadly…they most all bounce back and certainly the longer one does it the more “wise” they become. Real character-builders! Peter Chipman was trucked by that lion, and he was fine around them although he sure didn’t like elephant. My PH from Namibia had many stories, one being the time he was attacked by an ostrich…funny until you see their claws that could rip one open like they had a zipper! On and on…..these guys should all write books. The thick jesse after tuskless elephant…well maybe that is another story. Most seem to avoid this, probably smart. I only met one PH in a camp who was noticeably impacted by his close encounters the previous season to the point where it could have impacted his ability to hunt. You know, hopefully this is not arrogance, but I just do not see it as my PH’s “job to sort out the tough stuff” (no offence Wanna, I know this was not the point of your post). I would expect them to be there and greatly appreciate them coming thru in a pinch, but those that I hunted with all desire the same from their hunters. I would find it very hard frankly to let them go in first. | |||
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  Bill C, I know exactly what you mean. No offence taken. | |||
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Many of my PHs have been hit or mauled. Never seems to have made a difference and all are still hunting. Sorta like riding a motorcycle. There are those who have gone down and those who will go down. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I would not give it a second thought to hunt with a PH who has been injured hunting dangerous game. It comes with the territory. Brooks | |||
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Gents, with respect. I'm trying to understand the premise of the question. Let's change the terrain a little. Would you go to combat with a leader, squad member, partner or subordinate that had been wounded in a previous fire fight? Would you ever fly with a pilot who had experienced a "hard landing" or other such incident? How about getting into a car with someone who had experienced a roll over accident? Sorry. I'm sure someone will flame me for my response. Go ahead. It's the Internet. 114-R10David | |||
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If I would have hunted with him before, I would certainly hunt with hime after. | |||
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I would not have any problem with this. If you do something long enough mistakes will be made, and hopefully a lesson learned from the experience. Our PH on our recent hunt to SA for plains game had a tracking dog that had recently recovered from having a leg (left front) amputated, due to a run in with a Bushbuck that a client had wounded. That little dog was hell on three legs, he wasn't timid or afraid one bit. Luckilly all my animals went down right there, so he wasn't put in the position to be ahead of us in the bush after a wounded critter, but just watching him take off after the sound of the gun and watching him charge up to the animals you could tell he had no fear. I would imagine that humans are the same. This little dog knew his business and loved the work. Our PH had some stories of his own of close calls, but no injuries, both on DG and plains game (sounded like the Bushbuck with their shorter straight horns can be quite nasty). | |||
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A non-issue. 114-R10David | |||
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 I know what you mean Bill "Buy land they have stopped making it"- Mark Twain | |||
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I can relate. I've bent a couple of airplanes over my career. The first thing to do is to get back in another one and fly it. I would not hesitate to hunt with a guy who has been hit. If he has the moxie to show up, good for him. | |||
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Well he's getting right back in the saddle isnt he!!  A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Anybody that has doubts about a tossed and turned PH I would prefer not to be behind me with a gun. Seems to be too nervous for my liking!  ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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My only concern would be in if the said PH was returning to the field to take me out and was not fully recovered from said injuries. I would hate to think he was not properly recovering because he did not want to lose my booking or let me down. | |||
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On upside to not being "fully recovered" is you can probably outrun him | |||
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I earned more than one purple heart and I would really have hated it if the team wouldn't go downrange with me as a result; so, of course I would hunt with a ph who got tagged. | |||
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Would you have an operation by a surgeon who lost his last patient? Had a bad result on his last patient. These guys are PROFESSIONALS and as such are trained to move on and stay on the task at hand. Now if a particular PH or Outfit or pilot or Surgeon made a habit of close calls or poor results than that may be another story...hopefully those characters don't stay in business long. These forums are a great tool to communicate such things and help others avoid a poor choice, IMHO | |||
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Not a problem whatsoever. My PH from 2003, Howard Hunter, was shot in the arm by his client (in 2004) as he was getting hit by a charging buffalo. He's a fine PH, and the fact that he got seriously hurt doesn't change that. | |||
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