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Comments? Why would you? Or why wouldn't you?  ___________________________________________________________________________________ Give me the simple life; an AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store. | ||
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WOW!! Looks hard - bang, he's dead and a trophy of a lifetime. | |||
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from that photo it is impossible to tell if he is hard or soft bossed... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Looks pretty hard to me. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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I would pass and let him breed. Yah right  DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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The apparent scarcity of facial hair gives the impression of an older bull. The darkness and smallish body size gives the impression of a younger bull. The symmetry of the horns also gives the impression of a younger bull. I know a bunch of fine taxidermists though !! | |||
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Appears to be one of a trio of dugga boys so he may be a taker. In such dense country it might be surprising to find a truly old WILD bull with seemingly pristine headgear but you carry binos for a reason. | |||
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Ground Check that Monster.... | |||
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He needs to be shot so we can get some close ups and then carry on the discussion of how old and hard he is | |||
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Bang. Will J. Parks, III | |||
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And a couple solids afterwards :-) | |||
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He MAY be young! He MAY be soft! He MAY be too small in body! If I were there and had my 470NE double in my hands he WOULD shortly there after on the ground, and later on my trophy room wall! .......... BANG! flop!  .........  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Yup. And with my 30-30 and good solid, maybe the one behind him too..,  "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Bang! . | |||
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If a hunter came across this very nice Cape Buffalo on the 1st or last day of the safari. It probably would be taken and pictures galore decorating the web sites showing a proud hunter. It would be hard turning down this Cape Buffalo, in my opinion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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Not an old bull but you can't really blame anyone for shooting it. "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Doesn't look old, but he does look MATURE from this distance. Confirm with binos and BANG! Caleb | |||
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D.R.T. 450#2 has spoken. Mike | |||
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Wide…… but probably as wild as my angus bull. If I am wrong, I stand to be corrected and will be happy with the news. I might expect that from Andrew's area in Zambia.  ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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Skyline, i have walked up on Cape Buffalo in Tanzania to with in 30 yards and they just look at us. At times you are in the bush and standing still and Cape Buffalo will walk fairly close if the wind is in my favor. Not knowing where the picture was taken, it could be wild or as you call it relatively tame. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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True enough. I was just stirring the pot. LOL ______________________________________________ The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who are bereft of that gift. | |||
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No worries and that one is still a bit soft. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I blew the picture up to 400% and he looks soft in front. But, I would have to shoot him. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Post like this, with all their BANG, BANG, 'check him on the ground' comments really sadden me. The bull in question is most likely only early in his eighth year. This can pretty accurately be determined by the sharpness of his horn tips and his boss which is still 'puffy' along its lower edge, extending upwards into the midline area. His dark black color and evidence of a heavily muscled neck and shoulders indicate that he is in the early stages of becoming a prime breeding bull. Most free-ranging Southern or Cape buffalo south of the Zambezi River attain this most privileges status sometime in their 8 th year and their tenure as breeders lasts until well into their 11 th year. This bull is at this stage of his life. The chances that he has already bred are slim, but he should get there over the next few years. Horn spread wise, this bull must be at least 48 inches and he is indeed magnificent. To end his life at this stage before he has had the opportunity to pass those exceptional genes on, would in my opinion be criminal. By the time he is in his 12 th year he'll be done and dusted as a breeder, and he'll then look like what a real buffalo trophy should - old and battle scarred with torn and tatty ears and a stone-hard boss that will be polished smooth on top. It's time for a mind shift gentleman! If you want your grandkids and great grandkids to one day also enjoy the spectacle of seeing really 'good' buffalo in our hunting areas and maybe even hunt them, then forget about the bloody 'inches' and think about where such bulls fit into the grand scheme of things before pulling the trigger. What cattle rancher slaughters his prime breeding bull and allows the runts to breed? Why should it be any different with our wildlife? | |||
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All well and good Doctari and I agree with your sentiments. However if your operator/PH has sold you a safari in a marginal area and you came across this boy on the last day of your expensive hunt. I have seen a number of soft buff coming out of Zim of late and can only surmise that some quotas are over inflated and the older buff have been shot out? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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A 10-12 year old bull with 12" less spread would be a better trophy to ME. I would shoot if the PH told me he met our agreed-upon maturity requirements. Use enough gun... Shoot 'till it's dead, especially if it bites. | |||
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Not hard headed at the moment but he would be after I mounted him! Jerry Huffaker State, National and World Champion Taxidermist | |||
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Don't know for sure if he's hard but that picture make me hard. You can borrow money, but you can't borrow time. Don't wait, go now. Savannah Safaris Namibia Otjitambi Trails & Safaris DRSS NRA SCI DSC TSRA TMPA | |||
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LOL - great reply. I'm amazed by so much discussion over a single marginal quality photo. Are there additional photos, possibly closer. Is this a RSA breeder bull? PHs/outfitters - in situations like this - should keep in mind that the typical safaris hunter has traveled thousands of miles, will suffer for "days" on arduous trans-oceanic flights, may not see another shootable bull on the hunt, has likely saved decades for the trip of a lifetime, and will end-up spending at least ~$35,000 for his 10 day safaris. Then to pass on a bull like this, it may not be a good idea - that is, a bull that may never pass on his genes after being killed by lions, poachers, or the next PH/hunter combo who decides he's hard enough do shoot. Please just keep this in mind, when you decide to shoot or not shoot. Besides, Huffaker - being the artist he is - will correct the "bit" of softness, which may or may not be present. | |||
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I'm getting hard on just looking at him " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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If I ever do go on an African Safari my one and maybe only animal I plan on killing is a Cape Buffalo. I will only go on ONE safari if I ever do go, I am going to shoot whatever buffalo the PH says I can shoot and be damned whether the boss is hard or soft. Last time I looked hunting Cape Buffalo is more endangered than Cape Buffalo are. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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He looks a bit young. His boss is a bit grey, but that could be the colour of the last mud he was in. That said, he is fantastic. If a PH gave me the thumbs up, I'd shoot him in a heartbeat. If not, I'd enjoy the view and let him walk. | |||
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Since I am not a trophy hunterI would be hard pressed to say whether he is this or that. His horns come together and he is standing there and he IS a Cape Buffalo. That being said I would be hard pressed to have someone tell me not to shoot him. I am extremely lucky to have hunted before the color of a lions nose and the fact whether a Cape Buffalo had ever had sex made a great difference. I could not have abided those types of hunting. To me they are not even hunting and I wonder about the people that have this as an overiding requirement even call themselves hunters. I don't know what I would call them but it would not be hunters. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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By the 12th year, his tips will be broken and his length diminished. Frankly, I think this is a better looking bull now in his prime. I prefer this look and I don't care that the bosses are full hard. There is most likely a brother with the same genes around somewhere and this is legal and I would shoot him. I suppose in a human comparison, were you more attractive, muscular and fit in your late teens/ early 20's or in your late 50's? As younger is peak physical condition, that is what I want as a trophy. And yes, there are sometimes one picks the bull that is a full brother and is the runt instead of the larger more rank one to breed. We did it fairly often on the Family Arabian Horse farm when I was growing up. | |||
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If you are ranching buffalo I can see being concerned with keeping him around, if it's part of a wild population the chances that he's the ONLY male carrying those genes are slim, and there's always a chance he'll only breed inferior cows, or is gay... And selecting for breeding based on a single characteristic isn't sound practice anyway. If you want him and he's legal, shoot him and send him to Jerry, he could make a magnificent mount out of him. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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