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02 October 2014, 09:10
jjbullBuffalo Bull
Comments? Why would you? Or why wouldn't you?
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02 October 2014, 09:33
Ackley Improved UserWOW!! Looks hard - bang, he's dead and a trophy of a lifetime.
02 October 2014, 09:35
jdollarfrom that photo it is impossible to tell if he is hard or soft bossed...
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02 October 2014, 10:04
Blacktailerquote:
Originally posted by jdollar:
from that photo it is impossible to tell if he is hard or soft bossed...
Looks pretty hard to me.
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02 October 2014, 10:22
samirI would pass and let him breed. Yah right
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02 October 2014, 11:51
Neil-PHThe apparent scarcity of facial hair gives the impression of an older bull.
The darkness and smallish body size gives the impression of a younger bull.
The symmetry of the horns also gives the impression of a younger bull.
I know a bunch of fine taxidermists though !!
02 October 2014, 13:53
Milo ShanghaiAppears to be one of a trio of dugga boys so he may be a taker.
In such dense country it might be surprising to find a truly old WILD bull with seemingly pristine headgear but you carry binos for a reason.
02 October 2014, 17:47
PoyntmanGround Check that Monster....
02 October 2014, 18:27
jimmaraHe needs to be shot so we can get some close ups and then carry on the discussion of how old and hard he is
02 October 2014, 19:01
safari-lawyerBang.
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02 October 2014, 19:07
Biebsquote:
Bang.
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02 October 2014, 19:16
MacD37He MAY be young!
He MAY be soft!
He MAY be too small in body!
If I were there and had my 470NE double in my hands he WOULD shortly there after on the ground, and later on my trophy room wall!
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02 October 2014, 19:23
Fury01Yup. And with my 30-30 and good solid, maybe the one behind him too..,
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02 October 2014, 19:28
JTEXBang!
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02 October 2014, 20:51
Bwana338If a hunter came across this very nice Cape Buffalo on the 1st or last day of the safari.
It probably would be taken and pictures galore decorating the web sites showing a proud hunter.
It would be hard turning down this Cape Buffalo, in my opinion.
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02 October 2014, 23:03
BwanamichNot an old bull but you can't really blame anyone for shooting it.
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03 October 2014, 00:57
cable68Doesn't look old, but he does look MATURE from this distance. Confirm with binos and BANG!
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03 October 2014, 01:00
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03 October 2014, 01:16
SkylineWide…… but probably as wild as my angus bull. If I am wrong, I stand to be corrected and will be happy with the news.
I might expect that from Andrew's area in Zambia.
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03 October 2014, 08:25
Bwana338quote:
Originally posted by Skyline:
Wide…… but probably as wild as my angus bull. If I am wrong, I stand to be corrected and will be happy with the news.
I might expect that from Andrew's area in Zambia.
Skyline, i have walked up on Cape Buffalo in Tanzania to with in 30 yards and they just look at us. At times you are in the bush and standing still and Cape Buffalo will walk fairly close if the wind is in my favor.
Not knowing where the picture was taken, it could be wild or as you call it relatively tame.
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03 October 2014, 13:11
Skylinequote:
Originally posted by Bwana338:
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Originally posted by Skyline:
Wide…… but probably as wild as my angus bull. If I am wrong, I stand to be corrected and will be happy with the news.
I might expect that from Andrew's area in Zambia.
Skyline, i have walked up on Cape Buffalo in Tanzania to with in 30 yards and they just look at us. At times you are in the bush and standing still and Cape Buffalo will walk fairly close if the wind is in my favor.
Not knowing where the picture was taken, it could be wild or as you call it relatively tame.
True enough. I was just stirring the pot. LOL
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03 October 2014, 22:15
fairgamequote:
Originally posted by Skyline:
Wide…… but probably as wild as my angus bull. If I am wrong, I stand to be corrected and will be happy with the news.
I might expect that from Andrew's area in Zambia.
No worries and that one is still a bit soft.
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04 October 2014, 04:34
FjoldI blew the picture up to 400% and he looks soft in front. But, I would have to shoot him.
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04 October 2014, 10:22
doctari505Post like this, with all their BANG, BANG, 'check him on the ground' comments really sadden me. The bull in question is most likely only early in his eighth year. This can pretty accurately be determined by the sharpness of his horn tips and his boss which is still 'puffy' along its lower edge, extending upwards into the midline area. His dark black color and evidence of a heavily muscled neck and shoulders indicate that he is in the early stages of becoming a prime breeding bull. Most free-ranging Southern or Cape buffalo south of the Zambezi River attain this most privileges status sometime in their 8 th year and their tenure as breeders lasts until well into their 11 th year. This bull is at this stage of his life. The chances that he has already bred are slim, but he should get there over the next few years. Horn spread wise, this bull must be at least 48 inches and he is indeed magnificent. To end his life at this stage before he has had the opportunity to pass those exceptional genes on, would in my opinion be criminal. By the time he is in his 12 th year he'll be done and dusted as a breeder, and he'll then look like what a real buffalo trophy should - old and battle scarred with torn and tatty ears and a stone-hard boss that will be polished smooth on top.
It's time for a mind shift gentleman! If you want your grandkids and great grandkids to one day also enjoy the spectacle of seeing really 'good' buffalo in our hunting areas and maybe even hunt them, then forget about the bloody 'inches' and think about where such bulls fit into the grand scheme of things before pulling the trigger.
What cattle rancher slaughters his prime breeding bull and allows the runts to breed? Why should it be any different with our wildlife?
04 October 2014, 10:49
fairgameAll well and good Doctari and I agree with your sentiments. However if your operator/PH has sold you a safari in a marginal area and you came across this boy on the last day of your expensive hunt.
I have seen a number of soft buff coming out of Zim of late and can only surmise that some quotas are over inflated and the older buff have been shot out?
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04 October 2014, 16:35
TrademarkTexanA 10-12 year old bull with 12" less spread would be a better trophy to ME. I would shoot if the PH told me he met our agreed-upon maturity requirements.
Use enough gun...
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04 October 2014, 16:54
Jerry HuffakerNot hard headed at the moment but he would be after I mounted him!
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04 October 2014, 18:18
Brain1Don't know for sure if he's hard but that picture make me hard.
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04 October 2014, 20:15
Ackley Improved Userquote:
Originally posted by Brain1:
Don't know for sure if he's hard but that picture make me hard.
LOL - great reply.
I'm amazed by so much discussion over a single marginal quality photo. Are there additional photos, possibly closer. Is this a RSA breeder bull?
PHs/outfitters - in situations like this - should keep in mind that the typical safaris hunter has traveled thousands of miles, will suffer for "days" on arduous trans-oceanic flights, may not see another shootable bull on the hunt, has likely saved decades for the trip of a lifetime, and will end-up spending at least ~$35,000 for his 10 day safaris.
Then to pass on a bull like this, it may not be a good idea - that is, a bull that may never pass on his genes after being killed by lions, poachers, or the next PH/hunter combo who decides he's hard enough do shoot.
Please just keep this in mind, when you decide to shoot or not shoot. Besides, Huffaker - being the artist he is - will correct the "bit" of softness, which may or may not be present.
04 October 2014, 22:38
boarkillerI'm getting hard on just looking at him
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05 October 2014, 03:44
CrazyhorseconsultingIf I ever do go on an African Safari my one and maybe only animal I plan on killing is a Cape Buffalo. I will only go on ONE safari if I ever do go, I am going to shoot whatever buffalo the PH says I can shoot and be damned whether the boss is hard or soft.
Last time I looked hunting Cape Buffalo is more endangered than Cape Buffalo are.
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05 October 2014, 03:57
lavacaHe looks a bit young. His boss is a bit grey, but that could be the colour of the last mud he was in. That said, he is fantastic. If a PH gave me the thumbs up, I'd shoot him in a heartbeat. If not, I'd enjoy the view and let him walk.
05 October 2014, 08:09
zimbabweSince I am not a trophy hunterI would be hard pressed to say whether he is this or that. His horns come together and he is standing there and he IS a Cape Buffalo. That being said I would be hard pressed to have someone tell me not to shoot him. I am extremely lucky to have hunted before the color of a lions nose and the fact whether a Cape Buffalo had ever had sex made a great difference. I could not have abided those types of hunting. To me they are not even hunting and I wonder about the people that have this as an overiding requirement even call themselves hunters. I don't know what I would call them but it would not be hunters.
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05 October 2014, 08:42
buckeyeshooterquote:
Originally posted by doctari505:
Post like this, with all their BANG, BANG, 'check him on the ground' comments really sadden me. The bull in question is most likely only early in his eighth year. This can pretty accurately be determined by the sharpness of his horn tips and his boss which is still 'puffy' along its lower edge, extending upwards into the midline area. His dark black color and evidence of a heavily muscled neck and shoulders indicate that he is in the early stages of becoming a prime breeding bull. Most free-ranging Southern or Cape buffalo south of the Zambezi River attain this most privileges status sometime in their 8 th year and their tenure as breeders lasts until well into their 11 th year. This bull is at this stage of his life. The chances that he has already bred are slim, but he should get there over the next few years. Horn spread wise, this bull must be at least 48 inches and he is indeed magnificent. To end his life at this stage before he has had the opportunity to pass those exceptional genes on, would in my opinion be criminal. By the time he is in his 12 th year he'll be done and dusted as a breeder, and he'll then look like what a real buffalo trophy should - old and battle scarred with torn and tatty ears and a stone-hard boss that will be polished smooth on top.
It's time for a mind shift gentleman! If you want your grandkids and great grandkids to one day also enjoy the spectacle of seeing really 'good' buffalo in our hunting areas and maybe even hunt them, then forget about the bloody 'inches' and think about where such bulls fit into the grand scheme of things before pulling the trigger.
What cattle rancher slaughters his prime breeding bull and allows the runts to breed? Why should it be any different with our wildlife?
By the 12th year, his tips will be broken and his length diminished. Frankly, I think this is a better looking bull now in his prime. I prefer this look and I don't care that the bosses are full hard. There is most likely a brother with the same genes around somewhere and this is legal and I would shoot him.
I suppose in a human comparison, were you more attractive, muscular and fit in your late teens/ early 20's or in your late 50's? As younger is peak physical condition, that is what I want as a trophy.
And yes, there are sometimes one picks the bull that is a full brother and is the runt instead of the larger more rank one to breed. We did it fairly often on the Family Arabian Horse farm when I was growing up.
05 October 2014, 13:49
JefffiveIf you are ranching buffalo I can see being concerned with keeping him around, if it's part of a wild population the chances that he's the ONLY male carrying those genes are slim, and there's always a chance he'll only breed inferior cows, or is gay...
And selecting for breeding based on a single characteristic isn't sound practice anyway.
If you want him and he's legal, shoot him and send him to Jerry, he could make a magnificent mount out of him.
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