And this is not even an Animal Rights site. It's a political site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002417444

Many Thanks for posting that link. It shows that huntings enemies are more numerous than some people want to believe.

Wow...how uneducated and informed the intelligent (NOT) left wing is. I especially liked the post by the girl who had been "dear" hunting (written 3 times in her post).

I am actually starting to like the Donald more and more...seems like he may have raised good sons!

Yikes! So emotional.....

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Yikes! So emotional.....

Actually, quite thoughtless, I think. I read nearly every post on that thread, and while I'm not surprised, it is rather amazing at how uninformed and incapable of rational thought so many people are. I have no doubt that many of those expressing the most strident 'anti' comments consider thanselves highly intelligent. Some of them may be highly educated, but their comments demonstrate that not much intelligence resides among those posting on that thread.

It's all about emotion with the left, common sense & logic are alien to them.
I recently tried to have a discusion with a leftist & soon realized I was wasting my time, you just can't get them to understand anything that doesn't meet there emotional need to feel enlightened or superior.
He who shouts the loudest & uses the most words must surely be the smartest, just ask them.

This is probably off the subject, however, it is related. We have a woman from Zim whose child attends the same school as our great grand daughter. I had doubts about her for quite a while, but had all suspions confirmed last week. she had told me her father was undergoing cancer treatments in SA and when I asked why she did not bring him to the US she allowed that he would not come here and when I asked if he had visa issues she said yes. So putting 2 and 2 together I asked her several days later if they were Shona and when she replied in the affirmative I asked if her father was zanu-pf: of course she said yes. Matters finally came to a head when, again several days later, I asked how long her family had owned thier farm she said right after independence. Aha says I; anyway during this conversation she asked what I was doing in zim in 1975 and I told her which started her up, particularly when I observed that the white Rhodesians belonged on the land as much as anyone else. During her diatribe, I asked if her family was farming the land-answer was no, so, not being able to keep my mouth shut asked how many other "war vets" were living on the land. HA- no answer just a dirty look. all depends, I suppose, whose ox is being gored.

I posted this:

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To all you people who think hunting is BAD let me be the first to say I disagree.

That famous Progressive, President Theodore Roosevelt, had a great understanding of nature. He set up the US National Parks system. He was a fan of Audubon and John Muir. He was THE most influential conservationist to ever serve in government. He also was a hunter. He understood conservation and the importance, both economically and environmentally, of managed and controlled hunting.

If it wasn't for managed hunting the whitetail deer would probably have become extinct. Instead they exist in greater numbers than they have for over one hundred years. Funds from hunting have also been used to increased populations and distribution of elk, black bears, mountain goats, and many other species.

Do you know where most of the funds for conservation come from? They come from an 11% federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition paid by hunters and shooters and a pledge by the states to match 25% of those funds. The Pittman-Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, is funded by the very same hunting activities that many of you deplore. Yet if it wasn't for the funds generated by those activities, there would be no wolf re-introduction and the California Condor project would not have happened. The act has generated over $2,500,000,000 for wildlife conservation. Compared to that, the money raised by the Sierra Club and Lion Aid aren't even a drop in the bucket.

If leopards like the one shown in the photo above were not worth tens of thousands of dollars apiece as "trophies" then they would have been long been hunted to extinction. It is their value to hunters that makes them worth saving and worth keeping in sustainable numbers. The income generated by charging foreigners thousands of dollars to hunt cape buffalo, like the one depicted, provides African jobs and an enormous boost to the local economy. Those buffalo have been hunted since the dawn of man and it is hunting that keeps the herds strong and healthy. Where hunting is forbidden, overpopulation periodically causes mass die-outs, the herds become weaker, and whole populations can become wiped out by diseases like rinderpest. I guarantee you that every part of that buffalo above was eaten or used by the locals.

If you don't like hunting don't do it, but don't condemn it. Hunters and hunting are more responsible for wildlife conservation than anyone or anything else.

And, by the way, those photos are anything but grizzly. If you want to see grizzly look at some photos of a late term abortion.

And ten minutes later I see this:

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This message was hidden by Jury decision.

and this:

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Posting privileges for the account xxxxx have been revoked.

Mindless radicals.

the trump boys are on the homepage of msn.com right now too. somehow "journalism" has become just writing your opinion without doing a lick of investigation regarding the subject you're "reporting" on.

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Originally posted by Grenadier:
I posted this:

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To all you people who think hunting is BAD let me be the first to say I disagree.

That famous Progressive, President Theodore Roosevelt, had a great understanding of nature. He set up the US National Parks system. He was a fan of Audubon and John Muir. He was THE most influential conservationist to ever serve in government. He also was a hunter. He understood conservation and the importance, both economically and environmentally, of managed and controlled hunting.

If it wasn't for managed hunting the whitetail deer would probably have become extinct. Instead they exist in greater numbers than they have for over one hundred years. Funds from hunting have also been used to increased populations and distribution of elk, black bears, mountain goats, and many other species.

Do you know where most of the funds for conservation come from? They come from an 11% federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition paid by hunters and shooters and a pledge by the states to match 25% of those funds. The Pittman-Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act, is funded by the very same hunting activities that many of you deplore. Yet if it wasn't for the funds generated by those activities, there would be no wolf re-introduction and the California Condor project would not have happened. The act has generated over $2,500,000,000 for wildlife conservation. Compared to that, the money raised by the Sierra Club and Lion Aid aren't even a drop in the bucket.

If leopards like the one shown in the photo above were not worth tens of thousands of dollars apiece as "trophies" then they would have been long been hunted to extinction. It is their value to hunters that makes them worth saving and worth keeping in sustainable numbers. The income generated by charging foreigners thousands of dollars to hunt cape buffalo, like the one depicted, provides African jobs and an enormous boost to the local economy. Those buffalo have been hunted since the dawn of man and it is hunting that keeps the herds strong and healthy. Where hunting is forbidden, overpopulation periodically causes mass die-outs, the herds become weaker, and whole populations can become wiped out by diseases like rinderpest. I guarantee you that every part of that buffalo above was eaten or used by the locals.

If you don't like hunting don't do it, but don't condemn it. Hunters and hunting are more responsible for wildlife conservation than anyone or anything else.

And, by the way, those photos are anything but grizzly. If you want to see grizzly look at some photos of a late term abortion.

And ten minutes later I see this:

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This message was hidden by Jury decision.

and this:

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Posting privileges for the account xxxxx have been revoked.

Mindless radicals.

I could have told you that posting anything on Democratic Underground that is in any way argumentative or counter to the prevailing liberal view, is strictly forbidden. In fact, they make no bones about it. If you want to discuss all sides of an issue, take it somewhere else. Their site is strictly for preaching to their leftist choir.

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Originally posted by 724wd:
the trump boys are on the homepage of msn.com right now too. somehow "journalism" has become just writing your opinion without doing a lick of investigation regarding the subject you're "reporting" on.

Their picture of them holding the leopard was on Fox and Friends this morning about 6 am CST. Nothing was said against them.

Typical DU

Well known democrat discussion forum full of intolerant leftists.

Reminds me of some that post in the political forum here.

Did someone from here manage to get the following post on the DU site without being immediately dumped? If so, I'm impressed. (Or it could be that the thought police have not seen it yet and when they do, it will go the way of Trotsky and get axed.)

Posted on the Trump thread on Democratic Underground:

"I jumped on this sight a couple of days ago and when I was logging in I believe there was a welcome sentence referring to this site as the most liberal site on the web. Nothing could be further from the truth. Maybe "liberal" has just become a definition of emotionaly driven people who abandon logic as soon as they see something that makes them uncomfortable.

First, compare the number of leopards now in sub-saharan africa with the number of leopards there were before the USA started permiting importation of "sport hunted" leopard trophies. Sport hunting has pretty much single handedly saved the African leopard.

Seceond, The leopard was eaten. Every leopard killed over there except for some of the ones that are poisoned get eaten. This is in Africa and just because you haven't seen leopard at the grocery doesn't mean there isn't a whole village that wouldn't fight tooth and nail to get a slice of a leopard carcass.

Third, People in many of the nations where leopard hunting occurs are STARVING. Not like you who reeeealy want a starbucks in the morning, but the real kind of starving. Like not eating for ten days straight, and burrying your baby this morning before you walked ten miles to eat a patch of grass growing on the side of a road, starving. Unemployment sits at %85+. Loosing your job is much like a long death sentence. I am not exagerating. You think that picture of the cut off elephant tail was gross and barbaric? You should see the chaos that erupts as soon as the ivory comes out and the masses decend on the meat like a riot. Game scouts will stand on the carcass as long as they can, beating at the hundreds of starving families with whips and sticks, who descend upon the dead beast like fire ants on a baby bird. Knives slashing, people biting at each other, stuffing meat into their mouths while they cut more off and throw it to their children standing outside the brawl. In a matter of a couple of hours a five ton beast is nothing but a dark blood spot on the ground.

Fourth, those "assholes" that shoot those beautiful animals just did more to save starving africans in a couple of weeks than any of you are doing for the rest of your lives. If you could stop the sport hunting that would just put hundreds of more people into those desperate piles fighting for meat.

Fifth, and this is the part people don't understand who have never spent time in africa, most areas where there is not sport hunting have no wildlife yet. The people have consumed every last little bit of anything edible. Remember they are STARVING. The predators threaten their livestock, so they poison every single animal that might kill chattle. Every thing else is nothing but a walking meat twinky. All of the megafauna is snared and eaten. When that is gon they start trapping all the birds until they are all eaten. When they are gone, they eat bugs, leaves and anything else that will make their beellies feel full. This isn't a because of some drought or unforseen natural event. Its just Africa."

I am utterly amazed at the language on that thread. My father taught me that foul language is a sure sign of an inadequate vocabulary or a bad upbringing. I think both are applicable here.

That, sir, is typical language on that site. The vitrol directed at conservative Americans there makes Rush Limbaugh's "slut" rant look like a Sunday School conversation.

I go there almost every day in order to carry out the old adage "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." Besides, it's fun to read their comments when a Republican wins a bit election, or Obama loses a legislative fight.

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Originally posted by GAHUNTER:
That, sir, is typical language on that site. The vitrol directed at conservative Americans there makes Rush Limbaugh's "slut" rant look like a Sunday School conversation.

I go there almost every day in order to carry out the old adage "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." Besides, it's fun to read their comments when a Republican wins a bit election, or Obama loses a legislative fight.

Do you post on there?

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by GAHUNTER:
That, sir, is typical language on that site. The vitrol directed at conservative Americans there makes Rush Limbaugh's "slut" rant look like a Sunday School conversation.

I go there almost every day in order to carry out the old adage "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." Besides, it's fun to read their comments when a Republican wins a bit election, or Obama loses a legislative fight.

Do you post on there?

No. There's no way I could get away with that. They'd toss me out after one rant.