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Last year i read and printed out an article by Don Heath. It was called " Rifle lessons learned from the Zimbabwe Professional Hunter Proficiency Exam". I am trying to find that article once more but cant find it. Does anyone of you know where to find it? And sorry if this is a bit off topic. Rino | ||
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Here you go!
I thought maybe it and/or updates might be posted on the African Hunter Magazine website, but the full site has been down for at least a few weeks...? http://www.african-hunter.com/ | |||
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Thanks Bill C. Rino | |||
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I think the posts by Don Heath, Ganyana and the rest of the guys in the daily mix of hunting are invaluable. If Don or Ganyana or anyone else on the ground in Africa happen to see this thread, I wonder if they can address something I think about- what is their opinion of synthetic stocks on DG rifles? I seldom, if ever, have seen a PH with a synthetic stock, but apart from being non traditional, it seems to me a PH would be the first guy to have a stainless/synthetic stocked work tool, which would stand up to the elements better than the traditional wood/blue combo. Are there DG specific issues with the synthetic stocks- do they hold up as well? I suspect that, similar to rifle makes, the stock makes have their own scale of reliability? Also, I remember the first time I read Don Heath's article, I thought of a basic question- to clarify- when Don speaks of the safety being on the "wrong" side on the CZs, does he (you, if you read this Don) mean that for a right hand shooter the safety should be on the left side of the action? In other words, the slide safety release seen on the CZ is on the right side of the action, but if it were on the left side, one could manipulate it more naturally. I have never seen this left side set up on a production rifle...if this is more desirable, sounds like it should be a custom work up? What about the Model 70 type flag safety, is this also "backwards"? I also remember a Ganyana article where he said one's DG rifle should have the same set ups (especially safeties) as the rest of one's rifles, for drilling and consistency in an emergency. Therefore, the best advice it that all one's rfles should have this custom, left side safety set up. Am I correct? ______________________________ "Are you gonna pull them pistols,...or whistle Dixie??" Josie Wales 1866 | |||
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The only shortcoming to synthetic stocks is that they make a hollow, groaning sound when dragged across a branch or bush. When the safety-which-side issue came up from Don he was roundly ragged on here on AR, and rightly so! I don't think it makes any difference on which side the safety is. As far as a M70 3-position safety, you couldn't give me one. They are slow and cumbersome, and potentially dangerous. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I've never understood Don's desire to have the safety on the other side but that's one of the very FEW things I don't agree with him on. I think Don should come over to the States and run a bunch of us through a shooting seminar...especially if he brings some DG to practice on. The other alternative would be for him to offer that to us in Zim. Come on Don. You sleep in most days, eh? _______________________________ | |||
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I think Sako safeties are great,very easy to push to fire position with your thumb as you rise rifle for the shot. "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few." Sir Winston Churchill | |||
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Buy a Blaser. The "safety" or cocking button is right where it needs to be. | |||
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I have always loved the old Ruger tang safety and have been thorougly chapped since they discontinued them and I fall into the same camp as Will as to the Winchester 3 position safeties. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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I love the Ruger Mk 1 tang safety. It was very natural to use. Pity it's gone. _______________________________ | |||
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Hopefully Don can find time in his busy schedule to do an update on this old article as I know he has discovered and few other interesting tidbits regarding reliability and use-ability. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Yes, both of you guys! ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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My CZ550 416 Rigby works great fast or slow but my Brno 602 .458 does not feed all the time when worked fast. I think maybe i should make it into a .458 lott and sell it and find a shorter actioned .458. Too bad it will cost too much to make a .458 win on my old Rem made P14 now that would be a great .458 | |||
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M16 I have a Blaser and am not convinced about the safety/cocking mechanism. I want to make it clear, though, that I have no experience with DG and so am just expressing an opinion. The problem with it is that it is too stiff to operate with the thumb with a finger on the trigger, at least for me and others I know, and to do so would be unsafe. So, you can't cock the rifle as you mount it. You have cock as a seperate action before you mount the rifle. I use my Blaser for deer and this system works just fine for me but I'm not sure it is ideal for DG. If you forget to cock it on the way up then putting that right is a task that will take a little while. I know that is sort of a different issue but a shotgun type safety is, I think, going to be better for DG as it can be operated as you mount the rifle without it having to be a seperate process. For non-dangerous game I think the Blaser system is hard to beat and I love it but I think I can forsee some problems with it in a tight spot. | |||
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I'm not going to comment on whether the R93 is a good DG rifle. Having read the article of Mr. Heath, I'm not sure too many (if any) rifles would pass the acid test.... But I happen to disagree with the statement made above. It is very much possible to cock the R93 while you mount it. In fact, if you have not cocked it either before or while you mount it, you'll be in trouble if you are in a hurry to get a shot off. Indeed the cocking lever on the Blaser is rather stiff (after all you need to cock the main spring), and that makes it very difficult to operate with the rifle in a mounted position. I'm sure Mr. Caorach will agree with me about that. So the main thing we seem to disagree on, is whether the cocking lever can be operated while the rifle is mounted. I maintain it can. Based on what evidence, I hear the chorus ask?? Based on the number of times I have had to get ultraquick shots off at running game suddenly bursting into view on driven hunts. If you have to think in those situations, you are already too late. So you cock, mount and start your swing in one movement. Oh, yes, the Blaser can be cocked while mounting the gun! - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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I never place my finger on the trigger unless I am ready to shoot. My finger stays on the side of the trigger guard whether cocking the Blaser or taking a conventonal rifle off safe.
I certainly can and do exactly that.
Yes, it will. But if you train with your rifle that shouldn't be a problem. Any gun you choose will be a problem if you don't practice. | |||
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Boy- the .416 Rem. part of this article is a little scary. I only handload my Model 70 416 Rem, with 400 gr A-frames and solids, and I dont crimp. I've left the same 3 cartridges in the magazine while firing 12 or so shots, just to see if this sort of thing might happen, and the bullets never moved. I've left the ammo in the sun on a hot summer day, and hunted in the Selous in early September (temps upper 80's low 90's) and never had a pressure problem. Chronied velocity is 2405 fps, which is real close to factory. Anyone else ever had any of the problems Mr. Heath describes with handloaded ammo, or does it seem to be a problem with factory stuff? BN Phil Massaro President, Massaro Ballistic Laboratories, LLC NRA Life Member B&C Member www.mblammo.com Hunt Reports- Zambia 2011 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1481089261 "Two kinds of people in this world, those of us with loaded guns, and those of us who dig. You dig." | |||
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I think that is an excellent article. And I agree that an update would be welcomed by readers. Perhaps it could be entiled "Guns that Suck." | |||
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I guess we all have guns on Don's ca-ca list. I'm just glad that Dan got rid of one his THREE sig photos. They take up the whole page! _______________________________ | |||
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The Zim test are done when the temps are rarely under three digits Farenheit by noon. This may be a reason. JPK Free 500grains | |||
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I thought my photo of Obama in his natural habitat was worth the data overload. Sadly, the Obama campaign has succeeded in getting that pic removed from the internet, so I have been forced back to a mere 2 signature photos. As for this new article that we are proposing for Don to write, perhaps he could also comment on the performance of other rifles in the field, such as those used by game officers, including the FN FAL, SMLE, M16, AK-47, Garand, M1 Carbine, M14, etc. | |||
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Wow...I don't know what to say about that photo. It would be interesting to get a bunch of stories about game scout rifles. The ones I have heard have mostly been enough to make you cringe. There must be a good game scout out there in all of Africa...maybe? _______________________________ | |||
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404WJJefferey, One problem with synthetic stocks on DG rifles is that they stand up to use and abuse too well! All PH's want to be or at least 'appear' experienced. So when a young PH buys a DG rifle he takes it to hand a bit, toss it around, drag it over rocks and do whaever to make his brand new DG rifle look like he has had it and used it for a long time. Acheiving the same look of experience with a synthetic stock takes that much longer! in good hunting. Andrew McLaren | |||
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Gentlemen:- Thank you for your input- when you are an author/editor all comments are worth thinking about, even if it is only briefly. It is also a pity that the original article appeared with two “wrong photographs†on the Winchester and CZ. Since that article appeared over seven years ago I have paid even greater attention to the firearms carried by learner professional hunters coming on our proficiency exams, especially as I took over as Chief examiner from Lionel Reynolds in 2001 and increasingly youngsters coming into the industry look to me for advice. I am also are that what suits me personally will not suit everybody. Col Jeff Cooper explained to me why Americans like the safety catch on the right. Makes perfect sense- on a plains game rifle- if you have grown up using it. What has changed in the last seven years? Well I thought I would leave the topic for another three and do a ten year update in the magazine but briefly- we are sing more of the new model CZ’s with safety catches that work “the right way†- ie forward to fire. This has got one PH killed and two others badly injured that I know personally. The new CZ safety catch is positioned and shaped just right so that when you work the bolt in a frantic hurry your baby finger catches it and puts the safety on! In speed shooting trials we found that the average shooter did better with the 1960-90's vintage CZ safety that was back to front (ie back to fire). Pulling the safety catch backwards and swinging the thumb over the grip probed quicker than pushing it forward and changing grip (start was rifle carried at the trail). Some brands of Rem .416 ammo are still a problem. It doesn’t make sense to me why, because reloads with South African S355 deliver the advertised velocity, no compression problems and no pressure issues. If it can be done with the limited range of powders we have available there is no reason for Federal premium not to work as Advertised. Hornady Heavy Magnum in .458 win is fine for clients but degrades too quickly in Africa. By their own statements, the ammo has a shelf life of only 6 months or so under typical African hunting conditions. Please don’t leave any as a tip! The same can be said for Hornady’s failed “encapsulated†bullets. Thank goodness they have gone. Sadly there seems to be an awful lot of it here - especially in .458 Lott. One change to our exam system that has generally improved the performance of rifles and ammunition in the shooting test, is simply that the tests are now held on the highveld before the actual proficiency exam. Any combination of rifle and ammo will work much better when it is 20̊C cooler and your rifle isn’t full of fine wind blown sand and dust. This is unfortunate because it no longer shows up the weaknesses inherent in some rifles (but it makes the Exam much easier to run!) | |||
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Thanks Don for the reply. I know I speak for many of us when I say that anytime you can tell us more about the proficiency, we would love to hear about it. By all accounts, it is the toughest PH exam in the world and as Chief Examiner, you have a lot of good insight to share with the rest of us. _______________________________ | |||
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I agree with what the guy is saying in the above article about the side of the safety.I don't agree when he says converting or going for a CZ 458 Lott instead of a 458WM will solve the feeding problem.The new Lott I just bought will not feed and does exactly what my 458WM did to jam.I was also told this by the gunsmith who is working on my 458WM feeding problem,that is the magazine is to large and that is what is causing the problem.The rifle with the largest magazine for its cartridge I own is a Sako originally chambered for a 7mmRM.That rifle feeds like no other rifle I ever tried.It is by far the best feeding rifle I own.The problem with the CZ feeding I think,is that the cartridges lie to low in the magazine compared to the ramp and chamber or as someone recently posted,the rds are not in alignment with the chamber.I came to this conclusion when I took my 458WM rds and put them in my 300WM Mod 70 where they fed perfectly.The 458WM rds would align perfectly with the chamber in the mod 70. | |||
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Speak for yourself only, please! ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Not that it is not true, but I still can't swallow all these ammunition problems. Even factory loads? Are you sure these poor kids don't get some leftovers from you guys? Rounds that fell into the Zambezi for a day or two? Rounds that you found rolling around in the back of the Cruiser at a drunken Christmas party? I have seen PH's carrying rounds that I wouldn't attempt to shoot on a bet. I can only imagine the Appies shooting the real dredges of the Zim cartridge world. One Appy told me he couldn't practice for the exam because he had only three cartridges and couldn't afford any more. Oh yeah, I have every confidence in my PH! ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Howard hunter and Wayne van Blerk both got run over by buff after sweeping the safety catch on during a reload- didn't help Howards cause that the client then shot him instead of the buffalo- but he's (eventually) recovered! Old man Bradfield -whom several members of this forum contributed to his family upkeep just after he was killed- appears to have died from safety trouble. Had he got the shot off he might still have been killed but maybe not. Sure, many PH's put all sorts of crap in their rifles. Guides are worse! They husband "special" ammo for years against the day when they may need it- and by then the primers got wet or in the case of .458 win or .416 Rem the powders expanded and started to work the bullets loose. The usual culprit for dud factory ammo in .416 rem that I see locally is Federal Premium. | |||
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Please be careful about categorical statements, as I include myself in the relatively small group of people who agree about this problem with the CZ safety, and the Interarms slide safety as well. However, please tolerate my disagreement with most of your other posts. | |||
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Alf, Any Idea what powder these bad rounds were loaded with? I am afraid I have to agree with Shootaway on the .458Lott CZ feeding problem. I've owned one, one mind you, CZ 550 in .458Lott. The SOB was a no feeding POS. It wouldn't feed round nose and it wouldn't feed Barnes X. I was able to get the safety swept on several times when working the bolt hard. Overall it's a poorly designed piece of crap in my opinion. I sent it down the road and have ZERO interest in any and all CZ products. Though I do like the concept of the rifle. When Will states that a 3 position M-70 style safety may be dangerous is he referring to having the safety in the middle position while walking with the rifle and the probability of having the bolt slightly lifted and therefore being unable release the safety I wonder? Because the M-70 safety which blocks the sear from engaging is inherently safer than a trigger block safety overall. Same as a Mauser flag style safety. | |||
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I KNOW i'm in the extreme minority here, but the safety issues with the Weatherbys are also "old hat" and need updating. Further, the issues of reliability on same is dated. The Weatherby DGR with it's in line feeding is very reliable or I'd like to get Don's take on my comments above. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Don't mind Will...he's just in his typical post-Africa depression slump. I've seen it many times. Go smoke a carton or two Will. You'll feel better. _______________________________ | |||
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The typical liberal is always saying "we all think...", "I think we can all agree ...". Talk like that makes me nervous. If you want to drink the Ganyana Kool-Aid be my guest, Aunt Bee. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I make you nervous? That's funny. As to the kool-aid, I would rather drink his than yours. Sorry Will, but you're not nearly the expert on all things African that you would like to be. I respect your 20 elephants worth of experience but you have a bad habit of tearing down others while trying to build up yourself. It just doesn't come across very well and there are a lot of people around here that don't like it. Is that "liberal" enough for ya? _______________________________ | |||
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Liberal enough for me! ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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ouch... Brian "If you can't go all out, don't go..." | |||
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