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Up till now I have been using Barnes Banded solids for Elephant. I couldn't be happier with thier performance. Unfortunatly they are no longer available. What do you like? Any recomendations would be appreciated. I would like to find another banded solid, although I do shoot Woodleigh Weldcore softs, and am very happy with them. How are Woodleigh's solids? | ||
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CEB #13? | |||
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Northfork FPS Woodleigh Hydrostatic solids I have been wanting to try the CEB badly too.. Ed DRSS Member | |||
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Axe, What calibers are you looking for? I might have a box or two of the Barnes solids I could part with. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Its all a question of personal preference and mind over matter. I have always used the good old traditional Woodleigh soft and solids in my .500NE and never had a problem. | |||
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TROPHY BONDED SLEDGEHAMMER BY FEDERAL! A+++++ | |||
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See my experience with Woodleigh solids http://forums.accuratereloadin...1411043/m/5461070481 | |||
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What happened to the Barnes? I thought they were great. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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See my experience with Woodleigh solids You also received quite a few different opinions as well.  As I said, personal preference and mind over matter, but to trash a product that has successfully been doing its job for years is not cricket. An example of personal preference: I will not use pure brass bullets through the barrels of my DR. | |||
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Mark, I'm looking for 458 500gr. | |||
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Venda, Most of the currently available solids in 458 and larger calibers will work just fine. I have used 500 grain Sledgehammers and Hornady DGS in 458 and they worked just fine on head or body shots on elephant. I have also used 480 and 500 grain CEB #13, North Fork, Woodleigh Hydros and Woodleigh RN solids for the same purpose. They also worked fine. Can't hardly make a mistake anymore. 465H&H | |||
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Currently 270 pages of information on bullet terminal performance in the big bore section of this forum. http://forums.accuratereloadin...861098911#2861098911 Cutting Edge Bullets BBW#13. | |||
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I'll check my stock and see if I have any of the 500 gr Barnes bbs. I'll pm you if I do. | |||
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Woodleigh solids get a fairly good review in Richard Harland's "Ndlovu" book. | |||
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Cutting Edge BBW#13 Solids----New North Fork Profile FPS--Solids These are the only two bullets anyone should be looking at--These two companies care about performance, they care about hunters like you--They do not sacrifice Terminal Performance so they can sell more bullets for cheap ass rifles--The reason you cannot find any new Barnes Banded! The design of the Barnes Banded is a superb design. It has all the proper design perimeters to be a very successful solid and was, but the company that owns Barnes abandoned you the serious hunter in favor of piss poor terminal performance so they could sell more bullets for cheap rifles that would not feed them. Shooters and Hunters should support the companies that put terminal performance in the field at the top of the list. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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By the way, I have several boxes of old stock of .458 500s, and several boxes of 450s as well. Be happy to sort something out with you, I have no use for them anymore, I use nothing but a BBW#13 or The New North Forks. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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fujotupu I am sorry, I got rid of every single round nose POS I had here long ago, would not pollute my barrels with such sorry ass useless unreliable inconsistent trash, or I would have given you every single one I had for free. You get what you pay for I suppose, being free and all, so................... My apologies, I could not resist! Seriously.  Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Do'nt hold back now Michael, let us know how you feel LOL, ok ok I agree with you wholeheartedly Walter Enslin kwansafaris@mweb.co.za DRSS- 500NE Sabatti 450 Rigby 416 Rigby | |||
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Michael has good reason to feel as he does, i.e., extensive testing, design adaptation and lots of field experience from hunters using the BBW#13 on big, nasty critters. I am a member of that field testing group and absolutely endorse the CEB bullets. Two Ele and a Buff the last two years and another two Ele scheduled for this June. Wouldn't shoot any other bullet now, and I have in the past. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Gentlemen, I will actually expand upon Michael’s listing a little – Here is a quick-short listing of the FN solid monometal bullets that both track straight and drive deep (from the Terminal Bullet Performance thread) – without issue across all calibers tested, in alphabetical order: CEB BBW#13 DGBR GSC FN Nork Fork FPS S&H SHARRC FN And Michael’s orginal SSK/Lehigh FN And yes there were other bullets that tested well, some of only a single caliber and some that functioned properly in some calibers and malfunctioned in other calibers. But there no flies on any of the bullets listed by manufacturer as all functioned properly – use the ones that are readily available to you in the caliber of your choice… Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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HEH.......... No worries pal, I never hold back. M http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Woodlieghs have a pretty good record from my research. I have shot DGS with good performance... Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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I had great results with the CEB BBW#13s \last fall on both Elle and Buff. 5-6 ft penetration from a 350gr 416 | |||
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CEB #13 My only Ele a a frontal brain shot on a Tuskless in september, it whistle right threw her and I think it is still going  | |||
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I thought Barnes said that if you order through them directly, you could still get the old flat point style banded solid bullet? At least until the feds shut down production in the calibers used by handgun shooters, like .375. Am I wrong about this? Hope not, as my .375 loved their bullet and printed within 1" at 100 yards of the TSX. | |||
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You can still buy some of the flat nosed solids direct from Barnes. | |||
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Hello...Anybody home???? Sorry about that, There is a lot of good info above that you need to pay attention. See the mention of the Terminal Performance thread. CEB #13 is KING. I sidebrained a huge Hwanke bull in 2011 and and then put an anchor thru the chest. Exited and never found. Only way a Woodleigh would do that is if it did a 180 and came back to papa. . | |||
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Must not have been KING...since you needed an anchor... So because a CEB is effective a Woodliegh couldn't be effective? Antlers Double Rifle Shooters Society Heym 450/400 3" | |||
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This happens a lot with hunters. Once a new product is marketed, even if it does have great merit, the old, tried, battle-proven products stop working, and the dust and meat and bones of tens of thousands of long-dead big game animals reassemble themselves, realising they had been inappropriately slain by inferior, old-fashioned items, and walk away to resume a happy life until slain by an appropriately advanced, technologically sound new article. And, yes, I have killed buffalo with the three projectile types: traditional soft and solid, and modern, machined, blunt-nosed solid brass. I think they're all marvelous. And I agree that the modern stuff is superior... but that the old stuff still works very well indeed when placed correctly. | |||
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On Dangerous Game--Includes Elephant FYI--One always "Pays Up the Insurance". This means once that first shot is taken, no matter how good it looks, no matter if that elephant drops ass first, followed by head and trunk (A must for brain Shot Elephant always), then you always always always put one or two in the chest whilst the elephant is DOWN--Then followup with a shot from the top of the head down, into the brain again. One does not start the pats on the back, and the congratulations with one shot in! I have watched idiots on video do this, while their elephant gets up and runs away! True as well, seen this a few times. Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Ben SOrry, what you propose is not actually true, not here and not with the folks I know. There have been many many documented failures of Woodleighs and other Round Nose solids in the past, regardless of what you hear from what I normally call the "Woodleigh Cult", and sometimes the "Round Nose Cult". Just because it has, does not mean it does so consistently. I know personally of many cases of Round Nose solids veering off course in animal tissue, buffalo and elephant. Many of them reported right here. The guys that are now shooting superior Flat Nose, proper designs, are doing so for "Performance", not fad! Some of these same guys have experienced "Failure" of either Woodleighs, or other Round Nose projectiles. I have covered this subject extensively since I joined AR in 2008, I covered this subject long before then, starting in 2005 with the coming of several cartridges I designed and I needed proper bullets for said cartridges, which was the beginning of my quest for "The Perfect Solid"...... As has been noted, much of this quest is documented in the 270 or so pages of Terminal Bullet Performance, on Big Bores of this forum, every step of the way. But, just in the last week or so, there was yet another thread on this very same subject, seems many of you missed that, and the Terminal Performance thread, since that seems to be the case, I am going to copy a couple of my comments on the most recent thread on this same subject, instead of my typing the same old same, again, and again, and again...........................
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Cheers, Michael. You certainly use reason and science. I concede that I haven't used science in my admiration of the conventional "Aussie Pride" bullets - instead cost factor, tradition... and, importantly, I have zero experience on material as tough as ele skulls - buffalo are much softer than ele skulls, I bet. And yet, I do recall digging a solid out of the off-side of a scrub bull (400 grain, .450/.400 3" NE) and it was just poking through the skin TAIL FIRST, having gone through the boiler room. That bullet was in perfect condition, despite its tumble, surprisingly. So, I have seen first-hand quite a serious deviation. Kind regards, Ben | |||
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Cheers as well Ben, Thank you. You have joined the more Educated of our group, and it certainly looks like it has taken well! Congratulations on your "Graduation" of sorts. There is nothing wrong with the things we love and cherish, Tradition, and even pride such as "Aussie" pride of their own bullets. You may be proud that Woodleigh has many great softs, and even their version of an inverted Fosters Can of beer, the Woodleigh Hydro. While it is about the ugliest bullet I have ever seen, it is terminally effect and does a good job. So there are still many things you can be proud of. The Woodleigh FMJ Solid is not one of them, however, Woodleigh Softs and Hydros outnumber that dinosaur! Congratulations once again and Thank you, Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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I had great success with the CEB #13's 500 grain in the 450 Rigby on buff. Ass to throat and in a straight line with no obturation or deformity. Unfortunately they had not produced the 480 grain .483's for my 475 No. 2 by the time I left for Zim with CMS. However, the Woodleigh's in that caliber worked perfectly with only a slight deformation at the base of one on the cow frontal brain. I found it in the neck cartilage. I did not find the one on the bull from a frontal brain, unfortunately. Dutch | |||
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Michael: I have never had a problem with Woodleighs so I don't need to change nor give a rat's ass for any other brand (have not criticized any of them either) and in which case you can kiss my  | |||
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 I wish I had some of the sorry ass things to send you, I most certainly would! By all means, use those wonderful Woodleigh FMJ ROUND NOSE bullets! When you loose something, don't come crying---  I have attempted to Educate You! Enjoy those woodleighs pal! Good Reply! Michael Oh, sorry had to add this, curious, Fujimoto, you got one of those cards I could see??? http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael 458: In 30+ years, between Kynoch and more recently WR, I haven't been let down so I doubt I'll start worrying now Have a nice day. | |||
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Fujimoto Well thats great. I promise you, I am not worried! Now, how about that card??? Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Michael458, I have not read all of the thread on the other forum so forgive me if this was answered there... Do you have a financial or personal interest in the Cutting Edge Bullets? Just curious. | |||
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Yes, I have a tremendous "Personal Interest" in seeing that CEB is successful. I want to have those f**king bullets for my use in the field, If I don't have them to make the bullets, I won't be as successful in the field as I might otherwise be! So, yep, I have a personal interest, I need those F**King bullets! LOL. Of course I have several "LifeTime" supplies right now, sad thing, what would equal most folks lifetime supply lasts about a month here! Actual answer, I own no part of CEB, I own no stock, nothing. In fact, both Sam and I gave the design to CEB for their production. Dan (He did not know me this well then) offered to make my bullets for FREE! While I appreciated the offer, I turned him down for the very reason stated above. I need CEB in business. I need those bullets. If he made bullets for me for free, they would be bankrupt in less than a month! HEH HEH............... Sam Rose and I designed the BBW#13 Solid from the ground up. We gave it to CEB to make the bullets for us! Now, Ongwe, I know you from adams house cat. Who are you to ask Me That? And, Why would I even answer such a question, or even have to? Are you questioning MY INTEGRITY? Just Curious is All Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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