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I was in Nairobi this week and there is a publicity campaign with street signs all over the city with the message: "You Hunt - You Lose" written above a photograph of either a female lion with a cub or a male lion. It was launched by IFAW. The average Kenyan is being indoctrinated daily to become anti-hunting. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | ||
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My opinion on this is screw Kenya. Kenya used to be the jewel of all African hunting. The corrupt govt. has totally screwed the area up. The country has lost billions of $$ due to the poaching industry subsidized by the govt. official. Screw Kenya and do not allow any media coverage of the shit they do. There govt. is a farce and the country deserves what it gets. The animals are the ones that suffer the most. Paul C | |||
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I won't book any photo safari's to Kenya. I would hope my fellow consultants do the same. As you say Paul: screw Kenya! Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I wonder if SCI could buy some billboard space? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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mrlexma, That's a good idea and it does not cost much,e.g. 9X12mtrs for one year costs around $15000=00. There are also thing that the SCI could sponsor like scholarship and give them some kind of statistics on how much the they are loosing from the income of hunting. Hamdeni.
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The sad thing is that even the sons and daughters of former white hunters and sttlers are buying into this non-hunting BS. "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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My trip took me to Kenya and Sudan. As some of you may know, many of the present government officials in Southern Sudan lived in Kenya until the end of hostilities. Whereas I agree with some that Kenya is a lost cause, I think we need to educate the Sudanese whose only knowledge about the hunting issue is from their time spent in Kenya. For those of you with clout in SCI, now is the time to lay the foundations of a fruitful relationship with the SPLA. To discover one day that their Parliament in Juba has passed a law banning hunting will require a long uphill and probably fruitless battle that is too little too late. Screw the Kenyans, save the Sudanese. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Alf wrote:
You have already answered the first part of your question above when asking :
Example: Traditional African hunting method with a pack of dogs that kills everything that moves is according to the Africans hunting. Do you see any conservation of any kind whatsoever in that? Your last question: Yes, conservation is possible without hunting. Example: Relocation, just to mention one method, of excessive animals to other areas or countries via all sorts of methods other than hunting. Só, we as hunters should know that it is a privilege to have the opportunity to hunt and therefore behave and act always in such a way that nobody can point fingers at us!!! OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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Alf, I understand, I think, your desire to put some perspective on the different economic conditions prevailing in Kenya, but, and it is a big but, even in the US there are many restrictions on hunting from State to State, it is not a blanket "Hey, everybody can hunt". If you're from California and want to hunt elk in Colorado you have to get into a lottery; it isn't unlimited and some people enter for several years before they get a tag. Shooting big game like Kodiak bears, Dall sheep, some of the goats, is not generally accessible to the minimum wage earner. In my mind the more plausible reason for not allowing hunting in Kenya, and the real reason why there is none now, is that there is no way you can enforce a system of responsible management of hunting in Kenya. If quotas are set, then some corrupt official will sell additional quotas. If poachers shoot animals indiscriminately to sell the meat in the Nairobi market, as they do today, there isn't much stopping them. It's a country with no adult supervision. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Unfortunately Alf you may be right. We may be the last generation of first worlders to get to hunt in Africa. The animals may all be doomed to extinction. What I want to know is, "Is any body going hunting? After all it is last call!!!" I think I will schedule that buffalo hunt I have been putting off until better financial times. I think my banker will lend me the money. Have a nice day. Although cartridge selection is important there is nothing that will substitute for proper first shot placement. Good hunting, "D" | |||
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Alf, as to whom is going to provide the adult supervision, stand in line: IFAW, WWF, The World Bank, EU, IMF, African Development Bank, African Union. Only tortured souls like ours want to consider the "should we?" dilemma of providing assistance. But like too many sick patients, after triage you decide to save those you think you can save. I'm for getting the Southern Sudanese on the right track, others are already working to point them in another direction. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Hmmm, I must confess that when I saw the legend "You hunt you lose", I thought immediately of illegal hunting and poaching NOT "sport" hunting. So, I tend to take that view. If I saw a sign posted in the USA saying "No Hunting", I would not assume that the owner of the land was an anti hunting green liberal commie pinko. I would think that the land was reserved for paying customers! Now I know that the USA is not Kenya, so no one needs to point that out to me, but with poaching rampant, why do we assume that the sign is anti hunting? If the sign said "no poaching" would the locals thnk it applied to them? I doubt it. They probably view the animals on "their" land as theirs, just like the "land owners" in the USA. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Peter, All hunting in Kenya is illegal, therefore there is only poaching (except for limited game meat ranching which is allowed but the landowners cannot sell a "hunt" for game meat). However, there is a constant publicity campaign by conservation groups to keep it that way and nip in the bud any proposals to reintroduce sport hunting. Lions were the poster children to garner support of Kenya's position to place a moratorium on lion hunting around the world at the CITES convention. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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