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on 2010/4/20 4:33:47 (61 reads) MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) - A 42-year-old South African national was sentenced to "time served" and ordered to pay $30,000 in fines after illegally importing a hunted leopard to the United States. The trophy was bound for a hunter in Alabama. U.S. Attorney Leaura Canary's office confirmed the sentence. Dawie Groenewald was also ordered to pay $7,500 in restitution to the hunter who unknowingly paid for, and participated in an illegal safari in South Africa. Canary's office said the hunter cooperated with investigators. Groenewald owns a guiding and outfitting business in Limpopo Province, South Africa called "Out of Africa Adventurous Safaris". He pleaded guilty to a violation of the Lacey Act, a federal wildlife law that makes it illegal to import to the United States wildlife that was illegally taken under the laws of another country. The violation is a felony. Investigators say Groenewald was arrested in late January at the Montgomery Airport after visiting his brother. He was indicted in February, spent eight days in jail and nearly two and a half months under house arrest at his brother's home before this week's sentencing. An investigation shows that Groenewald sold the hunting safari to the sportsman in 2006, knowing that he was breaking the law. He then waited nearly two years before applying for a permit to export the trophy to the United States, saying the animal had been killed in 2008. The leopard never made it to Alabama. It was intercepted by Service wildlife inspectors at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. Leopards are protected under both the U.S. Endangered Species Act and the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, a global treaty upheld by more than 175 countries. Harris Safaris PO Box 853 Gillitts RSA 3603 www.southernafricansafaris.co.za https://www.facebook.com/pages...=aymt_homepage_panel "There is something about safari life that makes you forget all your sorrows and feel as if you had drunk half a bottle of champagne." - Karen Blixen, | ||
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Wonder if that scammer paid the hunter back yet? ~Ann   | |||
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Will SCI finally wake up and ban this outfit or will they keep taking their ad and convention money? | |||
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and folks here thought I was just inciting a trolling expedition a month or so back. Dan Donarski Hunter's Horn Adventures Sault Ste. Marie, MI 49783 906-632-1947 www.huntershornadventures.com | |||
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OOA has been the scumbags of the safari industry for many years----- rummor has it that Kevin Anderson (SCI past vice pres--now I think future pres?) has bought-in as a partner in OOA. I do know that Kevin has been the personal USA attorney for the Groenewald brothers  SCI has got to cut the ties with these scumbags!  nothin sweeter than the smell of fresh blood on your hunting boots | |||
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They were exibiting at the Great Alaskan Sportsman's Show here this month in Anchorage.  They're like a bad cold!Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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A question for some of the more learned brethren out there, surely Groenewald is now a convicted felon in the USA and there are a large amount of restrictions upon him now? It is my understanding that a US citizen who is a convicted felon loses a great many of his rights - surely even more so for a foreign national? Anyway -this news should be trumpeted to the rooftops of our hunting community - there are a lot of members here who are also members of SCI chapters and more - go to it gentlemen. | |||
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Please clarify: Is Out of Africa Adventurous Safaris the same as the Out of Africa company with the rotten rep? | |||
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Ahhhh - yep!! Folks - This is a great opportunity to email SCI hierachy (especially the Convention Committee) with this information and ask them are they finally going to do something about this company?? If they get 100's of personalised emails (especially from members - please state your member number) they are more likely to do something about it. I will be suggesting that there are dozens of reputable African operators to take their place... Exhibit@SafariClub.org A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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There is no way in hell SCI wasn't aware of the shinanigans of this company in the past. And if they claim they did not, then they are either lying or have something to hide. I just wonder what excuses they will use this time to accept more bribes, under the guise of "donations" before doing something about it. | |||
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JT, He plead guilty. That doesn't necessarily mean he plead guilty to a felony even though that law is written as a felony. Part of plea barganning process may have been "you plead guilty, you pay these fines, and we will record the crime as a misdemeanor" A District Attorney or a US Attorney has discretion on how they actual record the final charges. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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MMmMMMmm...thanks Mike - the wheels of justice turning I guess. Well I guess as per other posts above we should all just get it public so SCI have no choice but to ban the bastards. Zig, can you get John Jackson onto it??? Surely, surely, SCI cannot be seen to do business with these people - a court of law is not hearsay or innuendo - at least I thought not. | |||
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What? I'm amazed famed safari lawyer Doug Chester wasn't his first choice.  | |||
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NICE!  ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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http://www.justice.gov/usao/al...04_16_groenewald.pdf Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Having been convicted of a felony the defendant may now no longer possess a firearm, most types of ammunition and, if not a US citizen, may be deported and excluded from admission into the US. It will indeed be interesting to to see what SCI does with this! | |||
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Interesting to note that the USFW says leopards were hunted to near extinction not that long ago. That was big news to me. I think I will e mail SCI out of idle curiosity. | |||
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Kathi, Thanks...he did get the felony conviction, that is good news. Too often in exchange for a guilty plea, the crime is down graded to a misdemeanor. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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But WHEN will the individual countries, and their respective Game Departments and Professional Hunter associations [PHASA?], DO SOMETHING about these guys? Why must USF&W, [or even more remotely, SCI] be the enforcing body for the world, of hunting violations? It is ridiculous that all these countries allow this to continue [excepting Zimbabwe, who at least have TRIED to do something!] when THEY have all the authority and muscle to do something significant [revoke PH/Outfitter licenses, refuse hunting permits, prohibit allocations of quota?] . Really!!!These guys are not superheros! They are a couple of n'er do well, ex-cops from RSA, who saw the easy pickings to be had from US hunters with more money than sense and are reaping all they can. Why OoA continues to give money to SCI is beyond me. There was NO ONE at their huge booth in Reno everytime I walked by in January. It did not appear that they were getting their money's worth there.I'm all for not letting them in mind you, but can't see that it will do anything to solve the actual problem. These people must be controlled by the authorities overseeing their actual hunting operations. [How embarassing it must be for PHASA and RSA to be the home, and base, of this operation. One must wonder how it continues unchecked?] Les | |||
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why does this go on? it's called bribery at the local, regional, and national level. hell, it's a way of life in Africa and other third world countries- not to mention washington Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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This is a throw away the key case, as far as I'm concerned. The close association of SCI with this outfit over the years is a damned disgrace. Makes me want to resign my life membership, when I think about it. There is a lot that is right about SCI, but then again there is just about as much wrong as there is right. Groucho Marx nailed it when it comes to membership in clubs. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Yup I'm with you Mrlexma on this one. I had given this outfitter a pass over the years, having heard a myriad of allegations about them. But this felony conviction has changed the tide for me. SCI gets it as well. I can't really speak for them, but I'm sure they've heard the whispers about OoA over the years. Don't resign from your life memberships just yet. Let justice takes its course. I would venture to guess you'll see disciplinary action taken soon. | |||
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Prior to this conviction there most likely was not an legal point out there that SCI could justify not providing OoA with booth space. Now we will see what happens?? If you guys are so eager to give up your SCI Life Membership because of "one" bad apple in the bunch, maybe you are not too serious about SCI as a whole? Just looking for an excuse?? Either you are in or your out in supporting SCI and all the good they do. Nobody claims they are perfect but what's the next best thing? Hopefully you guys are in as we all need as many good folks as possible to fight the fight. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member (keeping mine)  | |||
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I must admit to hating the bastards guts - mainly because 2 years after losing our properties in Zim I saw a picture of one of our private land camps in the Gwaai on their stand at SCI - I hope they roast in hell, AND die of liver cancer slowly | |||
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Obviously resigniong membership in SCI is not going to help anything - except salve our own consciences - rather all push SCI to rid themselves of these and all others AND admit their mistake in dealing with them after myriad caveats. Change from within is better...can we do it??? | |||
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I meant all others of the same ilk - its my temper - sorry. | |||
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I think we get the gist of what you mean. One option is to write to SCI, or maybe present a petition from AR requesting that these sorts are blacklisted. Might have to OK this with Saaed first? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Not a bad idea!!! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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It is disturbing the number of people involved/honored by SCI that end up being nothing more than common criminals. It is disturbing to me, as a life member, how long it takes them to act. I sent them an e mail. They have yet to respond. I am betting they don't. | |||
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I suspect it will take more than a simple felony conviction to get OoA banned from SCI. The ties are too deep. It wouldn't surprise me if OoA have something on several high mucky-mucks of SCI. 465H&H | |||
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This has been an ongoing battle for the last 5 years for me. I cant say it was particulary successful except ont chapter level The answers I got from internationals ethics commitiee was there was never any proof. Well yhe cant say that anymore. It will be intersting to watch this train wreck finally unfold. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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Whoever said they claimed not to know about it??? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Yes, this is the crucial fork in the road. No excuses now. If they take action (like they should have long ago - and did for seemingly much lesser issues with regard to MS) perhaps it will mark a turning point. But if they do not - their inaction will speak VOLUMES! JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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Dawie G. was kicked out of PHASA around 2005-06 for his illegal activities in Zimbabwe his brother was not(and is not) a member of PHASA these scumbags need more that a fine-------they need to be completely driven out of the safari industry. Larry Sellers, I appreciate your passion for the SCI, but come on buddy, the SCI's motto is "first for hunters" it is about time for the SCI to be "first for hunters" and break their ties with theses scumbags, SCI supporting OoA is just allowing theses scumbags to rip-off the SCI members  yes I am a member of SCI --but have been very vocal of the need for upper SCI management/leaders the need to clean up their act! the US Fish and Wildlife agents have been after these guys for many years (since 2003 that I personally know). I am also awhere that top SCI leaders have known about OoA's questionable dealings (and many complaints) for a very long time. If SCI had really cared shit about it's members, they could have used the exact same documentation to give them the boot as PHASA did in 2005-06-----------I know because I provided the info to SCI and PHASA personally. not trying to offend Larry--just wanted to respond to your comments-bud  nothin sweeter than the smell of fresh blood on your hunting boots | |||
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Larry - Could you post an actual number (disturbing number as you put it) of people you actually know that are SCI members who end up being nothing more than common criminals? Is it a couple, two dozen, hundreds, thousands. Posting a statement like that with no actual facts and numbers is "disturbing to me". Thanks for the help in bringing an "actual" number to the statement. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member (and not a common criminal)
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Just as I suspected, there is not really all that many SCI members who have gone the way of rougues, going postal on others, joined organised crime elements and become hardned criminals as Mr. Shores proclaimed in his post. I guess this (distrubing number) of those who do isn't that big after all?? Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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I have come to the conclusion that Dawie, Janneman, and Teressa are just foot soldiers. I believe they are all too stupid, and the guys are too thuggish, to be the heads of anything larger than a street gang. Knowing them like I do, I am dubious that they have the intelligence to devise a scheme as sophisticated as the one they are currently running. There are much bigger fish out there who are calling the shots, and they are doing everything they can to protect Out of Africa. My question is… why is the former head of the SCI Ethics Committee and... *** CURRENT SCI PRESIDENT, *** KEVIN ANDERSON, the LAWYER for OUT OF AFRICA??? From what I have seen, SCI has done their best to cover up a possible scandal, but no one can control the stupidity of common street thugs. This is the reason why Dawie was so easily caught — he is apparently a street thug. Furthermore, where do two poor boys from Limpopo come up with the money to donate $10,000 plains game hunts to EVERY SCI CHAPTER in the United States? Hmmm, you don't have to be a conspiracy buff to start having a few plausible theories. However, it is obvious that the top of the food chain does not want to be caught. Is it no longer possible for SCI to suppress the truth? Did Out of Africa get too stupid and greedy, and rip off one person too many? I wonder how many former and current big wigs at SCI are wetting their pants right now, since the lid has blown off this can of worms, and the situational control is spinning out of their hands. Well, dead men tell no tales. I would not want to be the agent holding Dawie, Janneman, and Teressa's life insurance policies at this point. Cheers, ~ Alan Life Member NRA Life Member SCI email: editorusa(@)africanxmag(dot)com African Expedition Magazine: http://www.africanxmag.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.p.bunn Twitter: http://twitter.com/EditorUSA Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ~Keller To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. ~ Murrow | |||
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