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Dal, if you are talking about what I think you are, in Texas it is not called a gate, but a cattle guard. This a set of welded steel pipes that cross an opening in the fence with about a seven inch between them so cattle can't walk across them to get out of a pasture, but a car or truck can drive across them without having to get out and open a swinging GATE. This type of cattle guard was first used in TEXAS for the very large ranches with many pastures.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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Dal, if you are talking about what I think you are, in Texas it is not called a gate, but a cattle guard. This a set of welded steel pipes that cross an opening in the fence with about a seven inch between them so cattle can't walk across them to get out of a pasture, but a car or truck can drive across them without having to get out and open a swinging GATE. This type of cattle guard was first used in TEXAS for the very large ranches with many pastures.

Sorry Mac, what Dal is referring to as a "Texas Gate" is one of the pasture gates that is nothing more than two wooden posts or sometimes pieces of steel pipe with 5 strands of barb wire or whatever the type of wire the rest of the fence is made from stretched between them. Sometimes they go across a pasture road and sometimes they are just at a spot between two adjoining pastures owned or leased by the same person and often just used as a means of moving cattle from one pasture to another.

Cattle guards are primarily on main pasture roads and even at those, on some ranches there will be a fairly large Texas gate off to one side for large cattle trucks or oil field trucks to use.

One end of the gate has got enough wire around it to keep it secured to the fence while the other is held in place by two wire loops, one just a few inches off the ground the other close enough to the top of the post connected to the gate to allow it to be slipped off over the top, the post is then lifted out of the bottom loop and the gate can be opened.

I have heard these gates called Gap Gates.

As for the Texas Heart Shot I believe the first time I saw reference to it was about 20 years or so and can't really remember where.

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Like the "Texas heart shot", the "Texas gate" was named by someone from someplace outside Texas

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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Like the "Texas heart shot", the "Texas gate" was named by someone from someplace outside Texas

That is correct, and Lane I was not disparaging Mac's comments. But, that is what I have heard the type gates I referred being called, cattle guards have always been cattle guards with the folks I have dealt with.

Like the "Texas Heart Shot" it is probably stated in a derogatory manner, but as with most stuff, all of us have had different experiences and from what I have seen, no one individuals experiences out trumps anyone else's.

To me personally, gates are gates, but cattle guards may or may not have a gate across them.

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In hunting, a Texas heart shot is a shot fired at the base of the tail of an animal facing directly away from the shooter. Executed correctly only a handful of times in known history, most recently by Utah resident Sean Collins, the texas heart shot is widely considered the pinnacle of archery perfection, and the ultimate accomplishment in the hunting realm. Lauded in medieval times as the mark of a true king, and viewed as a spiritual state of being in ancient Anasazi lore, those able to accomplish a true texas heart shot were considered gods among men. Ancient apocrypha mark the accomplishment of such a shot as the spark to Achilles rise to battlefield fame and glory. The term is euphemistic argot. The objective of such a shot done in crude manner may be to break the spinal cord, break the large bones of the hips, cut the femoral artery, or have the arrow penetrate the length of the animal's body until reaching the heart and lung area. Done correctly, the arrow penetrates the rectovesical excavation and penetrates unhindered all the way until the animals heart, resulting in a perfect, nearly bloodless kill.

The shot carries many ethical concerns. It is frowned upon by many hunters; it is generally recommended only as a last resort finishing shot on a fleeing wounded animal. A shot that breaks the spine or hip should instantly kill or incapacitate an animal; however, damage to the digestive tract will likely lead to inhumane suffering and affect much of the animal's edible meat if it is recovered.

The term "Texas heart shot" may be used in other contexts simply to refer to any gunshot wound to the buttocks region.

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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I’ve always joked that in Texas it’s probably called the “California heart shot”.

No, here we call it the "Oklahoma brain shot".

California is only referenced if the shot hits the genitals.

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Originally posted by cameronaussie:
Even In Australia we have herd of this shot.
Never to be taken as we hunted all game with a .22 rim fire.

If I did one my father would have given me a clip under the ear. So until I stop hunting with dad I never had done one.

The only time we do it in Aus is using a 22/250 when rabbit shooting.
You all know the result.

Regards Mark

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Originally posted by MacD37:

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Originally posted by DAL:
Here in Alberta what you call a cattle gate is called a Texas Gate.
No reason. Go digger!

Dal, if you are talking about what I think you are, in Texas it is not called a gate, but a cattle guard. This a set of welded steel pipes that cross an opening in the fence with about a seven inch between them so cattle can't walk across them to get out of a pasture, but a car or truck can drive across them without having to get out and open a swinging GATE. This type of cattle guard was first used in TEXAS for the very large ranches with many pastures.

The first place I ever heard the phrase "Texas Heart Shot" was in Colorado and was meant as a derogatory term pointed at Texas hunters.

Actually the phrase should be "African Heart Shot" because it is used there more than any place I've hunted, with good reason, because it works on large escaping animals especially elephant!

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I did not mean to come across condescending either...sorry.

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:

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I did not mean to come across condescending either...sorry.

I did not take it as condescending, just differences in experiences, nothing more. Three Texans of varying ages and levels of life experiences can at least agree that it wasn't Texans that came up with either term. Mac, Lane

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Don't know the origin of the phrase and I never gave much thought to whether it would be upsetting to some but I do know it is a very effactive shot that I have used to great effect on more than one ocassion.

Mark

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Don't know the origin of the phrase and I never gave much thought to whether it would be upsetting to some but I do know it is a very effactive shot that I have used to great effect on more than one ocassion.

Mark

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Don't know the origin of the phrase and I never gave much thought to whether it would be upsetting to some but I do know it is a very effactive shot that I have used to great effect on more than one ocassion.

Mark

Just presumed Texans did not know one end of an animal from another?

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Originally posted by leopards valley safaris:
+ 1 especially on wounded game

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Effective, but not really 'sporting