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I have thought about hiring a videographer to film a hunting safari, but I am concerned that it would be too intrusive. Plus, looks like the cost would be somewhere around $3-400 per day for the intrusion.  I have this nightmare scenario in my head, where we would be stalking quietly up on a huge trophy, and the damned camera would go "BEEP, BEEP, BEEP" with RED lights flashing, or the cameraman would step on a branch, or cough, or sneeze, or whatever. Those are my jobs (except for the beeping and red flashing lights part), and I don't need any help with them!  Plus, I do not want or need a cameraman's head on my wall. Has this or something like this ever happened to anyone? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | ||
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Not if you have the right person! But, having a third individual there does raise the possibility of a screw up. For us, three people having been hunting for donkeys years, nothing ever seems to go right. One of us, hunter, pH or videoman, does create unpredict actable mess ups. Part of the fun!  | |||
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I know for sure I would be constantly resisting the urge to look at the dailies and complain about my make up! Do I look fat with this .500?  Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Plus, would I need to trot out the Baldwin defense, on camera!? PH: "Mike, you missed." Me: "I did NOT pull the trigger." I'll stop now. Still interested in war stories where this really happened. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Biggest problems we have is that the video man is not ready to take the shot. We hunt, and we take a video of our hunt. We don't purposely setup the camera for the shot. Like Cal's hero does. To us the hunt is important, not the video. That is why so many made for TV hunting shoes fall flat on their faces. They have to add all sorts of Hollywood style drama, not to mention add a bimbo or two! And we don't waster time telling the camera that we are giving the buffalo a choice of how to die! Bloody hell, that really takes the cake! | |||
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I've found a good camera man adds a lot to the hunt, camp and is very enjoyable. The last hunt I had videoed the camera man was a PH which added an extra pair of eyes. I had two guys with me who had never been to Africa and he pointed things out to them and answered 1,000 questions. To listen to him and my PH tell stories around the fire, had a great time. | |||
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I have hired one for my hunt in Zimbabwe this August. I have tried it once before but is an amateur doing it. I will let you know how it goes. Kind of looking forward to it. I am prettier than Saeed.... | |||
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I use a great guy from Zim. Not intrusive at all. Great guy to have around . | |||
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I gonna hunt buffalo at the BVC, Zim in May, will ask a tracker to take a video using my iPhone 13 Pro. That will be good enough, don‘t want another pair of noisy feet around. | |||
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I had my most recent hunt filmed. They cameraman was great. Never was he a problem. Also what a fun guy to have on the truck and in camp. It will be aired on Tracks Across Africa in April | |||
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In my case, the video man is actually a professional hunter. When Roy was guiding, Alan took the videos. Now Alan is guiding, Roy takes the videos. One year Alan got malaria, and had to stay in camp. We borrowed the professional video man from Team B. A great young man. At the end of the day, he said “bloody hell! You two old men hunt HARD!” | |||
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I have a little bit of experience filming hunts in Zimbabwe for CMS and RWS. Actually one of the hunts I filmed is in CMS's first DVD. A good videographer will know what to do and where to stand so will never get in the way on the hunt. If your are referring to your hunt with CMS this year I would recommend having your hunt filmed. Their videographers are very good, Justin is the best. With kind regards Mike Mike Taylor Sporting Hunting, Fishing & Photographic Safaris Worldwide +44 7930 524 097 mtaylorsporting@gmail.com Instagram - miketaylorsporting | |||
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There are cameramen and then there are "cameramen!!" I have been through many and at the risk of being arrogant, I can recommend almost, on one hand, guys that I will use. For that criteria, they have to be the following and in this order 1/ AN ASSET IN CAMP/ ON THE CRUISER - IE FUN AND AN ENJOYABLE CHARACTER ( you do not want to spend your holiday with someone you do not like) 2/ APPRECIATE THAT THE HUNT COMES FIRST ( at no time do we turn around and ask the cameraman if he is ready. Good cameramen nearly always get the shot and if they don't that's the way it is) 3/UNOBTRUSIVE -good cameramen when tracking and final approach simply blend in. I do not even want to know they are there. 4/ GOOD AT THEIR JOB- Have the right equipment , cameras drones etc Cameramen I can recommend are below. I know there are other good guys like Tim Martin and Ziggy from Osprey but I have not had the pleasure of having used them to date. 1/JUSTIN DRAINER ( NOW RETIRED!) 2/ANDY MACDONALD ( SAFARI CLASSICS) 3/ DAN MACDONALD ( SAFARI CLASSICS) 4/ DOUG KING ( SAFARI CLASSICS) 5/ SCOTTY JURGENS ( PRIVATE) 6/ DUNCAN WATSON ( PRIVATE) Regarding costs, they vary greatly but on average about us$300/day. Personally, a good cameraman adds great value to a hunt but a bad cameraman is not only detrimental to the success of the hunt but a complete waste of money! | |||
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I have used two on Buzz's list. Both were an absolute pleasure to have on the hunt. Mac | |||
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+1 to what Buzz says. I've had a cameraman on all of my CMS hunts and can't imagine not having one along at this point. I've used Justin Drainer, Andy McDonald, and Ray Bucannan. All were great and good fun to have around. I had my wife along on the 2012 elephant bull hunt with Ray and he took time to point out things of interest to her as well. With Ray, not only did he film the hunt but I gave him my pocket camera. He took over 4,000 photos on the 12 day hunt, capturing many things I wouldn't have thought of to include. | |||
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It will be interesting how that turns out. I have used Ray Bucannan, Scotty Jurgens and Duncan Watson and several other excellent ones. A great cameraman will give you a video you can be proud of, it shows the people at home what you did who can't understand when you tell them. They are just a pleasure to have in camp and on the stalk, you won't even think about them. | |||
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I can recommend Lauri Alanthwaite and Duncan Watson also seen the work of Doug King when I met him in some camp. All 3 good guys that will benefit the safari outcome IMO Melcom van Staden do some artsy filming also | |||
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We used Jordan Alderton from Double D Productions, Doug Duckworth's outfit. I personally would not want to hunt without him. He is a great cameraman, fun to have in camp, and since he was raised in the bush it's like having a second PH with you. I consider him a good friend and even though he could not film my 2020 buffalo hunt we still met for dinner in Harare before heading out to camp. I also want to add, watching your hunt video for the first time, you get an entirely different perspective of what went on. My wife and I still regularly watch both videos, always brings back good memories, and with the rising costs of dip/pack, shipping, and taxidermy, it is a viable option to spending the money to bring everything home. John | |||
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IMO Saeed's hunts and videos are by far the best by a country mile, no bloody intrusive dubbed music, no hunter turning to the camera to give a lecture on how good the PH was, how good he himself is and what rifle and ammunition he is using and as much bullshit that can be added. Most of us viewing videos on this or other similar forums are experienced hunters and can see what is transpiring without the hunter having to give a whispering commentary or lecture. A real turn-off for me. So make the video, leave the music out of it and shut up and hunt  | |||
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You guys are talking me into it. I have to say in the negative column that I don't like the melodrama, the horrible "modern" music, or making the hunter the "star" of the show. To me, it's all about the ambiance, the natural sounds and silences, the fires, and, of course, the animals, living on their grounds, and the stalks, both successful and not. Not sure I've ever seen that captured. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Don't employ Mark Sullivan as your video director1 Several cameras will have to be set up before the shot, and you won't appear in any of their footage1 | |||
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Don't worry, Saeed. No way in hell will that happen! Not my style. I think I need George Butler! In the Blood Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I hunted trophy ele in one of Calitz's Bots areas with Garry Kelly. Garry's wife Kate is a videographer and was shooting a promo for Garry that included my hunt. I honestly never noticed she was there when the hunt got exciting. I'd do it again without reservation. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Used Justin on our hunt with Buzz. Outstanding addition to the overall hunt. We regret not having him come to the Niassa with us. What's Justin up to now that he "retired"? J&J ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I have only had one Safari and I did the whole mounting of the animals thing, but with my limited experience I would have to say that I would probably just do the Videographer route in the future, maybe only do my best from the trip. The cost of dipping, packing and shipping along with import clearance and taxidermy along with all the BS can add up to a right fair amount. In the end you get to look at them and remember as best you can. This gets a little harder as we all age, at least for me. We forget the small nuances or banter along the way as well as just seeing the landscape again. I think it would be great to be able to relive a trip along with all the sounds and live action of the hunt, not kill shots necessarily but camp life with the staff with all the hard work they do and be able to relive conversations and the feeling of the the time. I think we miss a lot of what’s around us during the hunt or travel because we are focused on the task at hand. At least for me. Time fades things. JP | |||
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This is the difference between our safari videos and the commercially available ones. I do the editing myself. I including every that is relevant. From the preparations before, to the travels and everything on the hunt. We end up with almost 30 hours of the safari on video. We have no added music. We have no promotion of any product. We have no self glorifying commentary. No voice over. What you see is what was there. I do it as a reminder what the hunt was. I have stopped watching commercially available hunting videos a long time ago. If anything, most have actually got worse. | |||
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Exactly, no music, narration, promotional BS etc. just as it unfolds and the sounds around us and conversations that happen naturally. I hope to be able to do that on the next trip. I have watched a few of your videos and that is along the lines of what I am thinking. I did not even think about doing the preparation filming, great idea. | |||
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I've used the company's listed below and strongly recommend them. I've used them on everything from 10 day buff hunts to 21 day full bag hunts. They are an asset in the field and will turn out top quality stills and videos. Dan and Andy Mcdonald @ Safari Classics Productions Rayno and Kerry Egner @ Dark Continent Video Justin Drainer (Retired) | |||
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