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I am not wanting to make this a debate but trying to find out some information as I don't know much about it. On this subject, are they raised in small pens, large areas, etc? I just have zero experience in this and wondering if they are raised in small areas or relatively large areas? Normally, are they released just before a hunter arises or what is the norm? Are there hundreds raised and taken this way on average? Wondering if it is a relatively small business or very large. I did not really think much about this subject until I see the mud slinging that goes on here. I am just after facts not asking whether you agree with it or disagree with it. Just trying to be informed and understand better than I currently do. Is South Africa the only place this happens or in several places in Africa? Please don't make this a blood path as it is not intended to be that way. | ||
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Joe, I visited a lion breeding facility some years ago. My estimation is that this one was state of the art. It was neat clean and the lions were beautiful and obviously well cared for. BUT it was obvious that these lions were nothing more than livestock. The lions were not crammed together by any means but their fenced area was pretty small. There was no doubt that this was just an enclosure for feeding, sleeping and breeding as necessary. These lions although they could be aggressive witnessed by the idiot manager taunting one male until it charged the electric fence didn't resemble the wild lions I've been exposed to in any manner other than looks. I think RSA is the only place these lions are raised to be shot but I could be wrong. Somebody else may chime in on what the requirements are for the land owner/safari operator that buys the lion from the breeder to be able to sell that lion to be shot. I think I've read that the lion has to be at least free ranging within the fenced "hunting" area for some set time frame now. I think in the past they basically let the lion out in an enclosure and then it was hunted. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Do people captive raise Leopards as well? I have not heard much in that regard. | |||
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I haven't heard of leopards being bred for shooting, but there is at least one case of a pair of caged leopards being seized in Windhoek, Namibia. The driver of the truck claimed they were to be delivered to a hunting farm in South Africa. Bill Quimby | |||
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I doubt that would work, but defer to the experts. I suspect a recently released leopard would be long gone by the time the "hunter" arrived and I don't know many who would want a cage fight with a leopard in any event. | |||
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A leopard cannot be contained in a high fence enclosure in the manner a lion can. | |||
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Anyone who equates shooting a lion raised in a pen with a free ranging wild one is delusional. I have a lot more respect for the guy who just says, "You know, I can't afford to do it right, so I won't do it at all." | |||
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This is not a debate if you agree or diagree with captive lion hunting. I would like to get some informative information. Different strokes for different folks. What is the cost comparison for a wild lion versus a captive lion hunt? More or less? | |||
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More for a wild lion, often quite a lot more. This depends on where you hunt your lion, the quality of the hunt, etc etc. If all you care about is a lion mount in your trophy room, then one of these zoo lion hunts is almost perfect. It will be cheaper, much faster, a guaranteed success, and the overall condition of the lion will be excellent (no scars, good mane). The only downside is you won't be able to look your friends in the eye when you tell them about your "hunt." | |||
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+1 Nec Timor Nec Temeritas | |||
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"You know, I can't afford to do it right, so I won't do it at all."[/QUOTE]. THAT IS ME. I gave it a shot back in 91'.. the right way. Too much respect for the animal. Too much respect for the sport. Too much respect for the history of this endeavor... To take part in this. | |||
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I think the reality is that all of these operatons are not the same . Some are small where the lions are released shortly before they are shot. There are some others where the lions are running around on their own on fair sized pieces of ground. Ask a lot of questions and use some common sense if you want to go on such a hunt. | |||
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I hope someday to be able to hunt a wild lion but right now finacially I could not pursue either. I have read alot of the posts regarding lions on the AR forum and was curious to find more information regarding the captive lion hunts. | |||
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Peraonally, I do not like any of it but understand its place as long as the client knows the truth. Just read some of the adds and you can see what is true and what is not. As to leopards their trick is to burn the pads of their feet on hot plates until they cannot run far. Not long ago some of the Zim key guys went over to Namibia if I remember correctly to advise on how to get this stopped. I know who they were and certainly they were the good guys but I will hold off on the who, that is just one of the ways to get a caged leopard to behave for the dogs. York, SC | |||
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Didn't Don Heath post a while back that there were close to 40 lions that were out for observation and conservation that died yearly of illness, every year for the last 10 or so years in Zim.  Mike  | |||
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