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OPERATORS HATE MAIL!!
25 May 2014, 17:43
Buzz CharltonOPERATORS HATE MAIL!!
Having just returned form an ele hunt and checking emails I thought I would let you know what we deal with- This is one of many!!!!
Buzz,
You are a coward. Why not stand in front of a buffalo or an elephant without your gun, big man?
You are selfish and out of touch with the disaster facing Africa and your business.
First, despite what you put on your pathetic website, hunting elephants is not "YOUR PRIVILEGE" Please change your business to PROMOTE ECO-TOURISM...Africa does not have enough elephants and wildlife to sustain your slaughter. Besides it is SO UNCOOL AND UNPOPULAR . You must have been that boy nobody liked in school. Now you know why you are disliked. Because you are despicable.
What does hunting elephants provide? To others you look like a sociopath. You are to be saved or shunned, healed or harmed, but not encouraged to kill defenseless animals, especially elephants.
Please help create an environmentally focused, self-sustaining enterprise business until the elephant and other critically endangered species no longer face extinction. Because an elephant is poached at 100 every day and they will not last long. You cannot afford to KILL ELEPHANTS...
Please help us save the elephant from extinction, not just because the elephant is a cornerstone species, whose loss will destroy the world’s second largest rainforest, but because elephants are one of the most amazing, advanced animals who deserve our protection.
Does it give you and your clients a false sense of superiority to shoot an elephant?
In fact, it is YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT AND NOT KILL ANIMALS. Full stop. You make a livelihood of decimating endangered animals and that makes you and yours evil and selfish.
I’m also filming a documentary entitled, Elephant DaZe for which I just traveled across Africa and the USA to interview top conservationists and grassroots activists. This Elephant DaZe film serves as an educational tool to galvanize humans to save the elephant and protect the planet’s vital but endangered biodiversity. I have just returned from filming in Central Africa where I met passionate people who fight poaching, promote sustainable African development and employ effective wildlife conservation programs. I also met poachers and corrupt government officials whose despicable behavior perpetuates murder and instability. I wish we had met. I would have left you with a lasting impression --and shown you how foolish and misguided a person you have become.
Phyllis
25 May 2014, 17:50
Highlander7Damn Buzz. Sorry you have to deal with the crap. Hopefully your trip was a success.
MSG, USA (Ret.) Armor
NRA Life Memeber
Buzz, she misspelled her name. It's actually Syphilis.
25 May 2014, 18:02
scruffyThey did an article in my local newspaper thirty years ago about my first two safaris ... a few weeks later I got an unsigned hate letter from Saskatchewan .. at first glance from the envelope I thought it might be from a student who had moved there and was saying 'Hi!' ...
Then it started, ' Powell, you moron !' It had cut out my photo and put a bullet hole in the ol' fore head ... and the person continued beaking off ... finally ending up with, ' I pray that you are shot by one of your friends, die in an accident, or of cancer .. I pray every day and my prayers are usually answered !'
I must admit that I was startled but not overly concerned .. I thought back then that if God wanted to call me home he could do it at any time and not just to answer to the rantings of a wing nut ....
I am still around .. still going on safaris .. and I wouldn't be totally surprised if I have already outlived that nasty person who wanted me dead all those years ago ..
Cheers,
Scruffy
I have several video clips posted on You Tube. I am always amazed at some of the comments that get posted. The level of vitriol, hate and anger reflected in the comments is shocking. And we all need to remember that the people posting these comments are the caring, progressive, compassionate and socially literate segment of our population. Yea, right.
I actually think these people do themselves more harm than good when they let their emotions take over their keyboards. It makes them much easier to dismiss as wackos and kooks. There is a lesson for us in their actions too. In making our arguments, we need to remain civil, focused on the facts and not be dismissive or condescending. We see the same thing on AR when some people respond to folks like jolouburn in an intemperate and condescending way. It makes us look the same way.
Mike
Who cares what these brainless idiots think!
I certainly don't.
25 May 2014, 18:38
INTREPID SAFARISBuzz Hope you are well friend! They have been busy with me for the last 6 months on 2 Rhino we shot, I have been called everything from A inbred to white trash, they have send me death threads they went on my website and there was a photo of my family one of the them even said my kids look like a tasty snack for A big Cat. They are 4 and 6 years old.
They put my photo on almost every non hunting green piece website and facebook page. I had calls from across the world telling me what A piece of S...t I am. Good luck what ever you do don't respond to them it makes it worse trust me!
25 May 2014, 18:43
Neil-PHWho cares what these brainless idiots think!
I certainly don't.
That's the best way of dealing with them. Period.
There's an outfit calling themselves "AFRICAN WILDLIFE DEFENSE FORCES" who are soliciting for candidates to join them in the fight for African wildlife facing the wrath of serious poaching.
In my curiosity I emailed them to see if my 30 odd years as a PH would be of any benefit to them. I got a reply, turning me down on the basis that I was deemed a "potential threat" because of my status as a Professional Hunter and Trophy hunter.
The antis are truly ignorant !!
25 May 2014, 18:52
INTREPID SAFARISNeil-PH, I also did not care what they think however when you got some of the emails and phone calls I did it will make you think twice, I honestly believe there are enough of these nut cases out there that will actually try some of these threads. They went as far as to call some of my clients that I listed as references and threatened them!! I had to remove all names of my website close down Facebook and all other social media advertising, so yes I did not care either but now they are hurting my business.
That's just not right Buzz, I am sure you were very popular in school.
Shall I tweak your SPAM filter?
Hope you guys are doing well, please give my best to all.
25 May 2014, 19:25
P-A ÅhlénBuzz,
These people are everywhere and are searching the web for people to harass, I got this
"elephant.. and you call yourself a biologist? next time read before killing fragile species animals have feelings and they don't belong to you.
http://newswatch.nationalgeogr...t-elephant-torn-ear/"
after I posted my hunt report
http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2171031491from my visit to your outfit. I guess they rather find species extinct than legally hunted
/ P-A
25 May 2014, 19:29
Idaho SharpshooterGot a last name and address you'd care to share with us?
Seriously, that is really sick...
regards,
Rich
I'm getting a taste after posting the cow charge video to YouTube. Aren't these the same folks that tout diversity and tolerance?
quote:
Originally posted by Marty:
I'm getting a taste after posting the cow charge video to YouTube. Aren't these the same folks that tout diversity and tolerance?
. . . more than ironic.
Mike
25 May 2014, 19:55
Antlersquote:
There is a lesson for us in their actions too. In making our arguments, we need to remain civil, focused on the facts and not be dismissive or condescending. We see the same thing on AR when some people respond to folks like jolouburn in an intemperate and condescending way. It makes us look the same way.
True...
Antlers
Double Rifle Shooters Society
Heym 450/400 3"
Messages like that make me want to hunt an elephant all the more.
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I'm not a great hunter...just a guy who loves to hunt.
25 May 2014, 21:13
SafariSeanBuzz, My company The Safari Connection gets constantly barraged with hate mails similar to the one you posted here. I have developed a response that has an immediate affect on the party that is doing the writing. I first try reason and tell them they should really look into the facts and not be governed by emotion fueled by the "Walt Disney" syndrome. If they persist ,one went as far as to find my 15 year old daughter on Twitter, I tell them that for interjecting their opinion into my life and for wasting my time that I will shoot an Ele for every email they send until they learn manners and respect for others and others opinions. I then send them a pic of me with an dead Ele and tell them it is THIER Elephant and that if they had not harassed me by interjecting their opinion into my life it would still be alive!! Almost all of them give up after one or 2 emails!! I once went as far as to make a woman apologize before I would stop shooting Ele's in her honor!! ALL was BS but these people don't understand reason or conservation. PS--I Am one of SCI's "40" suing USFWS for their criminal ban on Ele imports, USFWS might as well just call themselves the Humane Society of America and come out of the closet!!
SAFARISEAN
I can agree to differ with people who don't support hunting but the quality of the insults levelled against Buzz is unacceptable in a civilised level of communication.
I find it curious that she doesn't comment on the DAPU page on your website and the collection of disturbing images housed there and what DAPU is achieving!? I get the distinct impression that she did visit the page with her quote of "YOUR PRIVILEGE"
Fact of the matter is this woman's grasp of reality is probably clouded in a world of fantasy and emotion.
No amount of observation, factual learning and discussion will change her perception of reality or her self righteousness in condemning the actions of the reasonable. This puts the onus on us as hunters to act and respond in a reasonable and civilised manner to such insults and all matters and acts related to hunting, despite the low level of intellectual ability displayed by the opposition.
To quote a remark at a party last night: If the impala get the vote today, the lions will be grazing tomorrow.
quote:
Besides it is SO UNCOOL AND UNPOPULAR
I find this remark the most interesting in her rant. Even if one was to agree to her argument that elephants are endangered and almost extinct, WTF does this have to do with anything? What a total head up her ass idiot.
I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf....
DRSS
25 May 2014, 22:00
larryshoresAre these people brainless ignorant idiots? yes, absolutely. However, i think it is a serious mistake to ignore these people. There are more and more of them, they are more organized and well funded. They are working on public opinion.
We need to have an organized manner of combating them.
25 May 2014, 22:01
Aaron NeilsonBuzz, welcome to the party bro!!!
Nimwits and their uneducated opinions, never cease to amaze me!!! Heck, I got over 100 nasty/threatening FB messages in 1 week because of my lion hunting habits.
Now, "Tanzanians for Wildlife" - whomever these goofballs are, have been sending me threatening messages in the past 2 days. They plan to meet me upon my arrival in Tanzania in August, and take care of me for good. I guess they are none to pleased about my plans for a 14th lion!
If this crap wasn't so serious, it would be comical!!!
Aaron Neilson
Global Hunting Resources
303-619-2872: Cell
globalhunts@aol.com
www.huntghr.com 25 May 2014, 22:04
cal pappasGents:
Actually this is an interesting topic Buzz began. Here are a few samples of what I receive e through my website <calpappas.com>
Cheers, Cal
name: Adam
email: 222toadtoad222@cwgsy.net
Topics: Hi,
I'd just like to ask how you would feel if someone shot you with a gun without even having a chance to do anything just bang your dead, What makes you feel you have the right to end anythings life?
I hope you think that it was worth it when your in hell, I can only hope thats soon.
Regards
Adam
name: Jack Mahogoff
email: steelinmyhead@yahoo.com
topics: Lifelong hunter from PA.
Just cant see the sport in killing an elephant like that.
Wealthy pasty white dickhead needed to fill bucket list.
Depressing. Karma gonna get you.
name: alex
email: alex.fuckyoumother@hotmail.com
topics: U DESERVE TO DIE MOTHERFUCKER!
STOP TO KILL ANIMALS!!
name: jan
email: jan@hotmail.com
topics: you are a beast asshole come and I come kill you all
name: Tess Cadorito
topics: you are a horrible person.
Came across your hunting pictures entirely by accident and felt I had to tell you what a disgusting thing it is to come across someone like you who can kill animals so brutally and for no reason at all...
Don't know you at all and frankly don't care to hear your justifications for what you do - just wanted to share my disgust.
name: john
email: johnmccloskey1999@yahoo.com
topics: quit killing elephants u sick fuck
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25 May 2014, 22:06
subsailor74This is what happens when a persons total knowledge of wildlife comes from the Disney Channel. I personally have never had any animals talk to me when I was out in the bush, nor have I encountered any with names, children etc. We have to put up with this ignorance in the States as well Buzz. I always like pointing out to these folks that they are wearing leather shoes, belts etc., and I love asking them about from where they came. Their standard answer is "well, I don't like to think about that". I wish for the wildlife's sake, they would become better informed with facts as opposed to emotion and "think about that" for a change!
25 May 2014, 22:14
shakariWe also get our fair share of such drivel and these occasionally increase in numbers when we get targeted by anti hunting farcebook groups etc........ interestingly, they always view our website and those visits obviously increase our visitor numbers and of course search engine ratings so in some ways, they're actually helping us.
On the subject of the emails etc themselves. Those that threaten violence or death etc are promptly forwarded to the authorities in their country of origin (because such threats are illegal) AND their ISP, those that are simply abusive are forwarded to their ISP (because such messages are usually against their terms & conditions) ((even if they don't give you a real email address, it can be VERY easily traced)), those that politely ask why we do what we do get polite answers.
Fok 'em!
25 May 2014, 22:18
SafariSeanBuzz post her email I will take a shot at her!! Figuratively!!
SAFARISEAN
25 May 2014, 22:37
pagosawingnutIt's a damn shame. Obviously their parents didn't care enough to teach them any manners or morals. But I agree that you can't just disregard the threats, I wouldn't let it overrun my life but would definitely pay attention. Keep up the good fight!
25 May 2014, 23:04
INTREPID SAFARISCAL PAPPAS, I GOT a EMAIL FROM THE SAME GUY AS YOU THE M......F..R ONE! He went as far as to say my kids look like a tasty snack for A big cat! I honestly would love to meet him one day face to face. I was able to find more info on some of them and most of my hate mail came from the UK.
25 May 2014, 23:09
butchlocit's real easy for people like this (i use the therm people loosely) to hide behind a fictitious name on the net and call names, but i would wager none have the courage to do it face to fae
25 May 2014, 23:19
bwana cecilDang Buzz, I actually thought you were one of the good guys. Shows how little I know.
LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show.
Not all who wander are lost.
NEVER TRUST A FART!!!
Cecil Leonard
25 May 2014, 23:27
shakariquote:
Originally posted by INTREPID SAFARIS:
CAL PAPPAS, I GOT a EMAIL FROM THE SAME GUY AS YOU THE M......F..R ONE! He went as far as to say my kids look like a tasty snack for A big cat! I honestly would love to meet him one day face to face. I was able to find more info on some of them and most of my hate mail came from the UK.
Phillip
The Brits take e-threats very seriously nowadays & at least one nutter has been jailed for this.
It's relatively easy to trace the sender & all you then have to do is forward it to the relevant (UK) police authority.
If they libel you, you can not only sue the sender but also his service provider in the UK as well......... and what's more, you'll probably be able to find a lawyer willing to do it on a no win, no fee basis.
25 May 2014, 23:34
FrostbitI suggest they do something effective like boycott your Elephant slaughtering business. See you in April.
25 May 2014, 23:41
GrenadierSo, Cal, how come you decided to hand-pick only examples of emails that I sent you? Are you picking on me Mr. Pasty White?
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25 May 2014, 23:48
Beretta682Equote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
I suggest they do something effective like boycott your Elephant slaughtering business. See you in April.
+1
Mike
26 May 2014, 00:00
Frostbit
26 May 2014, 00:30
CowboyCSI used to post pictures of my Customers successful hunts using rifles I had built(with permission of course)...you'd have thought I was responsible for all the dead babies in the world from the emails. I eventually took them all off my website when one of my customers got concerned about one of these nut jobs stalking him on the internet.
26 May 2014, 01:17
Gatogordoquote:
Originally posted by Buzz Charlton:
Having just returned form an ele hunt and checking emails I thought I would let you know what we deal with- This is one of many!!!!
Buzz,
You are a coward. Why not stand in front of a buffalo or an elephant without your gun, big man?
You are selfish and out of touch with the disaster facing Africa and your business.
First, despite what you put on your pathetic website, hunting elephants is not "YOUR PRIVILEGE" Please change your business to PROMOTE ECO-TOURISM...Africa does not have enough elephants and wildlife to sustain your slaughter. Besides it is SO UNCOOL AND UNPOPULAR . You must have been that boy nobody liked in school. Now you know why you are disliked. Because you are despicable.
What does hunting elephants provide? To others you look like a sociopath. You are to be saved or shunned, healed or harmed, but not encouraged to kill defenseless animals, especially elephants.
Please help create an environmentally focused, self-sustaining enterprise business until the elephant and other critically endangered species no longer face extinction. Because an elephant is poached at 100 every day and they will not last long. You cannot afford to KILL ELEPHANTS...
Please help us save the elephant from extinction, not just because the elephant is a cornerstone species, whose loss will destroy the world’s second largest rainforest, but because elephants are one of the most amazing, advanced animals who deserve our protection.
Does it give you and your clients a false sense of superiority to shoot an elephant?
In fact, it is YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT AND NOT KILL ANIMALS. Full stop. You make a livelihood of decimating endangered animals and that makes you and yours evil and selfish.
I’m also filming a documentary entitled, Elephant DaZe for which I just traveled across Africa and the USA to interview top conservationists and grassroots activists. This Elephant DaZe film serves as an educational tool to galvanize humans to save the elephant and protect the planet’s vital but endangered biodiversity. I have just returned from filming in Central Africa where I met passionate people who fight poaching, promote sustainable African development and employ effective wildlife conservation programs. I also met poachers and corrupt government officials whose despicable behavior perpetuates murder and instability. I wish we had met. I would have left you with a lasting impression --and shown you how foolish and misguided a person you have become.
Phyllis
For those who might care, her name is Phyllis Stuart, a more-or-less Hollywood producer type. Search "Elephant Daze" and you will find her. She has a facebook page if anyone cares to attempt logic.
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When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere.
NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR.
I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process.
26 May 2014, 01:34
DuckearNot too hard to find her
https://www.facebook.com/ElephantDaZe
Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps.
26 May 2014, 02:09
freischuetzYou can’t fix stupid!
26 May 2014, 02:15
FOsteologyWIN Awards Founder: Phyllis Stuart
26 May 2014, 02:53
Beretta682EProblem is if she is good film maker/propaganda expert she is going to make something like "Blackfish". That and social media could get a lot of uniformed do gooders all behind banning us import of elephant trophies.
Its irrelevant to Buzz's personal and family safety but very relevant to business and conservation side of elephant hunting. Asian ivory demand and western do gooders could be the perfect storm for Africa's elephants.
Saeed/Don thanks for making this website non searchable by google and other search engines.
I am more and more reaching the view point stated by Steve Ahrenberg (fight club analogy) - elephant and lion (maybe even leopard) hunting has reached a point of being socially unacceptable behavior. Its perfectly legal in jurisdictions where it is conducted, its has economic and conservation benefits. But it is very difficult to rationally argue with some of these anti people on the merits of elephant (even lion) hunting. Its a tough public relation sell in favor of hunting. Much easier to sell the anti-hunting story to the general public.
Mike
