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I guess I should not be surprised. | |||
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I guess they can perform at Hillary Clinton’s inauguration without any trouble. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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Never cared about Huey Lewis and the News. Don't even know any of their songs. As far as the Doobie Brothers, I have "Listen to the Music" and they can believe "What a Fool Believes", every "Minute by Minute" get their act and "Takin' It to the Streets" like a "Long Train Runnin" and go "Rockin' Down The Highway" to some "Black Water" by a "China Grove" and just rot away cause "Jesus is Just Alright" by me. | |||
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Sort of makes you wonder about the choices to begin with . . .  Mike | |||
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Where's a Charlton Heston to stand with hunting? Sadly, celebrity worshipping America needs to see and hear someone they recognize and like come up in support of hunting. They have no idea who they elected to Congress, let alone who or what SCI is, but they can tell you every movie Tom Cruise has been in. Heston did a shit ton of good for the NRA. Joe SCI/DSC can recite facts and figures on benefits and even necessity of hunting and no one hears it. Let someone on par with Heston say anything and its headline news. You can take my hunting rights when you pry it from my cold....RIP Charlie | |||
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I have always thought the SCI Entertainment gigs were the most stupendous wastes of time and capitol of the week. That money could be spent in far better ways. Par for the course. I have always got up to hob knob when I have been forced to sit at a table on Band Night. Dave Fulson | |||
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Good point. In fact, I was talking to another SCI member a couple of weeks ago. He and his wife went to Vegas and bought tickets to an event where the band was Chicago. He really wanted to hear Chicago. However, he said he got so bored and sick of the awards program going on, and on, and on . . . that he and his wife finally left without even getting to hear the band. He said he could not stand the hour after hour of awards and self-congratulatory backslapping. Just further evidence of a tone deaf organization. Mike | |||
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What is it with some of these entertainers? Are they that spineless? If Elton John can play at Rush Limbaugh's wedding reception, why can't these supposedly professional entertainers actually do what they've contracted for? We live in a crazy world nowadays! | |||
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Exactly! Choose loosers, you become a looser!! | |||
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I'm assuming SCI puts the auction/ awards portion before the entertainment so people don't eat dinner, watch/hear the show and bail. If the night events went dinner -> entertainment -> auction/awards no one would stay for the auction and they would lose out of potential money. Tone deaf, maybe but not from a financial stand point. | |||
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I will stick with tone deaf . . . you irritate the members and eventually the money will walk out the door and stop attending altogether. Mike | |||
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. . . while we are on the subject of being tone deaf . . . Mike | |||
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Denial will never improve the organization. The reality is that the awards do the organization far more harm than good in today's environment. Will they change that? Absolutely not, they are addicted to the revenue from the awards program. Is the continued existence of the awards program helping to ensure that the organization remains marginal into the future? Absolutely. Mike | |||
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Didn't SCI raise $1 million at one of these night events for lion research a few years back? | |||
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Mike: I think you are right. On my very first SCI convention, over 20 years ago, we bought tickets for everything. It was such a goat f%@k, that we left never to return, EVER. They were out of food, running way behind and on and on.... | |||
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Without causing more bashing, Call " Uncle Ted", he will play !!! | |||
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Wow, let's join hands and sing....lol. I've seen Uncle Ted twice, time to wango!! | |||
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I think some on this thread are missing the bigger picture. I belong to SCI, have never attended a convention nor do I intend to. If I were younger and better off financially, I probably would, and would attend DSC functions as well. I do attend local chapter events. Obviously the celebrity entertainment brings in money for SCI; if it didn't, there wouldn't be any. Having those two bands pull out has cost SCI some serious money, both in tickets that (I assume) will have to be refunded and in the promotion that's been going on for many months. Furthermore, securing replacement entertainment this late in the year will result in either paying a premium for headliners, or settling on lesser-known acts. Here's the real fallout: the anti-hunting faction has been effective in wasting money that could have gone to any of SCI's humanitarian, anti-poaching, legal or pro-hunting campaigns. In short, a minority of our opponents have been successful in their goal of hurting the hunting community and intimidating celebrity personalities. I have no doubt the antis will make sure this success story is well-publicized. In real estate law there is a provision for injured parties to a contract to sue for "specific performance." I wonder if SCI has any legal recourse, and if so, will they take it? Regardless of our individual opinions of SCI and the way it runs its conventions, we need to appreciate that the antis have struck a moderately serious blow. BTW, I went to Huey Lewis' website and couldn't find a way to leave a message--but he has a "Forum" page that has a notice that it's been discontinued due to "security concerns." You think maybe the antis made some threats? LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | |||
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Well said sir!! SCI will find replacement entertainment for their member dinners - but this is a blow by the antis, for sure. Unfortunately some AR members appear to delight in that news. Very poor form I think ... A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Maybe Ron White can help get Kathleen Madigan. I'd sure rather see her then a bunch of washed up bands I didn't listen to when they were "hot" Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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While i have seen both of these groups before, and at the time they put on great performances. Times have been changing and media pressure is a double edge sward. SCI need to advertise the Event and nightly happenings to bring in clientele. With the advertising of performers that will be performing. Other groups now swing into action to go after anyone who performs or attends a function that they do not agree with. With the age of computer, many times you will find very few real protesters with a computer program doing the real work. SCI is now having to find back up entertainment and this will be difficult at best trying to find a replacement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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Who vetted these guys? Surely someone checks to see if the jerks they hire is anti-hunter? Silly me. Obviously nobody does. Oh well, give out a few more circle jerk awards and all will be right in AZ. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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They did have them checked. By the same bozos who pick the SCI presidents  | |||
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Huey Lewis tried to shut down duck hunting near his ranch a few years ago. He should never have been booked in the first place Full time professional trapper | |||
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Just goes to re-enforce what I have been saying all along. No one with any common sense is making decisions at SCI! | |||
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Larry Higgins spares no unkind words and nastiness toward the Doobie Brothers and Huey Lewis in his editorial in the Safari Times magazine that I just received. | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Trapper Tom: Huey Lewis tried to shut down duck hunting near his ranch a few years ago. He should never have been booked in the first place[/QUOTE I heard of that. I researched . Seems to me it was more landowner rights than anti-hunting. | |||
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I thought that too, until now. That is one of the reasons I held off complaining to Larry Higgins about it the last time I saw him. Full time professional trapper | |||
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I guess I'm old. I've heard of Huey Lewis and the News and the Doobey Brothers, of course, but can't say I've heard about them for some time. Seems to me that they are "Old News" and we should be grateful that they decided not to go to SCI. | |||
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And I doubt $0.50 actually went to lion research. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Thats right Lane - a bunch of big donors fork out a million bucks and not bother to ask what it was spent on. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Why don't you tell us where has the money gone then?? | |||
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And spoil your rhetorical game? Why would I bother doing your research when you don't want to hear or accept the answers? A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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So, if anyone disagrees with how SCI does things, they're a "hater". The same exact tactic the PC whacko left uses. I didn't renew my membership last month. 'Tain't much, but my dollars are walkin'. | |||
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 Exactly Matt! They have been asked over and over to no avail. If it actually went to benefit lion...they would have gladly slapped me, Aaron, and all who have asked 100's of times in the face with the proof. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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PS: Matt you are living proof of what is wrong with SCI. Why don't you work on reforming them instead of wasting breath on 'those who know better' defending them! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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That is a great point Lane. When it comes to SCI I think there are three groups of people. The apologists, easy to spot, no matter what SCI does or does not do they are there to defend the organization. In the final analysis they are probably the biggest problem with SCI since to address a problem you have to admit you have a problem. The tragedy is this group cares enough to speak out but does not use their energy to seek to change the organization. To the contrary, they spend their time attacking those that are trying to change the organization. Then there are the indifferent members. So long as they get to go to the convention and receive the magazine, they have neither the time not the inclination to ensure that the organization survives or thrives long term. This is the group that ensures that SCI remains inert. Then there are a handful of people that actually worry that each year SCI becomes more and more irrelevant. That without fundamental and meaningful change, SCI will never be anything close to First for Hunters. I wonder how many folks complaining about SCI have taken the time to write them a letter or email expressing their concerns, have spoken with any of the senior officials with SCI to express their concerns, have worked with their local chapter reps to ensure that at SCI meetings where chapter presidents attend the views of members are expressed, have attended SCI meetings to directly express concerns. I am not suggesting that any of those steps will result in change, SCI is pretty tone deaf, but if enough members do so, that is probably the only hope for ever effectuating change. As the saying goes, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Mike | |||
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Pretty accurate analysis. I spent 3 years working very diplomatically (until the end) to effect a small change in SCI to no avail...Craig Packer even wrote about the futile effort in his book. It was so frustrating...I finally washed my hands of them. That said...we need all the good help we can get and with some reform...I would rejoin...not that anyone gives a shit about me. But I do constantly work for the good of hunters and wildlife conservation and my story exemplifies the validity of Mike's analysis. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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I have some information recently obtained about how trophy hunting if viewed by the public. When I get in the office tomorrow, I will post copies. If you don't think those awards are a problem after seeing this information, nothing will convince you ever. | |||
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