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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
I don't get shooting baboons or other primates or honey badgers.

Why shoot animals so close to humans - I can sit at a waterhole outside camp at Save Safaris and spend the whole day looking at the baboons there.

They are exactly like humans - when their basic necessities are met their focus turns to screwing with the weakest or picking fights. They can't live in peace or solitude.

Mike

Oh good grief!

Like I said I don't get it. I did not say anyone else should not do it given that it was a joke with Opus who really likes shooting baboons. Now honey badgers should be a protected species !!

I will make sure to send you my list of things to shoot in the save in 2016 for prior approval

Mike

Please do. With your list of WHAT can be shot, and a similar list from Jines spelling out HOW it can be shot, I should never run afoul of the AR Kangaroo Court.

For the ethically agnostic I can also help with the WHERE and the WHEN.

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Originally posted by MJines:
For the ethically agnostic I can also help with the WHERE.

I'll be all set then!




Small wonder how I've managed all these years so far without becoming infamous!

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Originally posted by MJines:
For the ethically agnostic I can also help with the WHERE.

Save Conservancy with Save Safaris.

List is

Eland Eland Eland - just a young bull now I will get a lot of heat for it. But I like European mounts and mainly eating eland - so the younger the better.

Impalas - I have to shoot like 40 to catch up with Larry Shores. He is doing buffs and I will match with impalas.

Rifle to be Blaser - I will borrow or buy Biebs just for Todd.

Mike

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by MJines:
For the ethically agnostic I can also help with the WHERE.

Save Conservancy with Save Safaris.

List is

Eland Eland Eland - just a young bull now I will get a lot of heat for it. But I like European mounts and mainly eating eland - so the younger the better.

Impalas - I have to shoot like 40 to catch up with Larry Shores. He is doing buffs and I will match with impalas.

Rifle to be Blaser - I will borrow or buy Biebs just for Todd .

Mike

Beyond help you are!



And don't forget:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by MJines:
For the ethically agnostic I can also help with the WHERE.

Save Conservancy with Save Safaris.

List is

Eland Eland Eland - just a young bull now I will get a lot of heat for it. But I like European mounts and mainly eating eland - so the younger the better.

Impalas - I have to shoot like 40 to catch up with Larry Shores. He is doing buffs and I will match with impalas.

Rifle to be Blaser - I will borrow or buy Biebs just for Todd .

Mike

Beyond help you are!



And don't forget:

It will most likely be a ruger 375 and my AHZ cz.

But a Blaser R-8 sounds cool and super safe. But given Leon Duplessis is recovering from a AD and the only gun he ever himself had a AD (did not impact anything but dirt) was with a Blaser - he has said no Blasers.

Mike

For Sitbok i prefer the Classic of the Classics .222 loaded with 55 grains Rhino. Norma Oryx is too soft.

Must say that besides Dassies, Sitbok is the most challanging game to be hunted on the African continent.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
Well, I guess that I'm a little insensitive, because I've got two Chacma's coming in the next taxidermy shipment, and I just love to shoot the big, old, aggressive, mean and cantankerous males, especially when they're beating the daylights out of the others. I usually wait until I have a clear full on chest shot and then take the shot directly through the heart. A vast majority of the ones that I have shot have died instantly and have been used for leopard bait. By the way, my favorite baboon caliber is the .300 WSM, using 180 grain trophy bonded bear claws.

Same here, except I use 150 grain Ballistic Silvertips in my .300 WSM.

I think the best caliber for a baboon hunt would be a 25-06, a truly flat shooting caliber.

M224A1 60mm mortar with HE and Illumination rounds

Sitbok, I had not heard that before. That is a good name for that reject Rich from Idaho.

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Originally posted by Sean Russell:

M224A1 60mm mortar with HE and Illumination rounds

Again, I see absolutely no reason not to. And don't forget to toss a Willie Pete for good measure now and then.

I don't have any reservations about shooting them, but haven't had a need of late. Hunting in Western Tanzania, the only reason to kill one is for bait or a drag. They are not pests there. A baboon bark is often used to stop an animal. Was able to fill the bait and drag bills this time without shooting a bobo.

The premise is that one would take a dedicated rifle all the way to Africa to shoot one species. That's like asking what's the best impala caliber; or the best warthog caliber. A more meaningful question might be what's the best plains game caliber as nobody is going to go all that way to shoot one species, nor are you going to set out with your baboon rifle and pass up a 60" kudu because you don't have a heavy enough caliber.

Having said that, some very good medium calibers for the common PG species likely to be encountered on a budget PG hunt would be any of the 25's (savage, roberts, 06, wby); any of the 6.5s (54, 55, 06, 264 win mag); a 270; or a 7mm (57, 08, rem mag)

If you want to do a no-antelope hunt (ie warthogs, baboons, jackal, dassie, ground squirrel, small cats, serval, porcupine) then you could go down to the 22 centerfires from hornet up, or even the 22 mag (not advisable on hogs) or the 6mms for a bit more clout, but you really don't need that velocity in the bush. The 6x47 is moderately popular in SA for this purpose.

But I guess I am being too critical because I once made up a dedicated baboon and night culling rig (never used it) based on a scoped subsonic 45LC contender.

I think MJines needs to repost Todd shooting a Blaser!

Baboons are quite hard to kill. Maybe, in the log run, they do expire on a poor shot, but that kind of defeats the object.
I have seen them take a lung shot from a .300Win, and it took us roughly 250yds to track him where we found him dead.
Underneath all that fur, there is not that much body. If you have a chance, wait for him to square up to you, while he sits.
A baboon, standing on all fours while feeding is a tough shot, as you often put the bullet through hair.
I would recommend one of the magnums. Something like the .300Win, is great medicine for baboons. We had a good week about two weeks ago, taking four, out of which one was with a Crossbow.

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But I guess I am being too critical because I once made up a dedicated baboon and night culling rig (never used it) based on a scoped subsonic 45LC contender

Well actually I used it to shoot a bunch of porcupines, a bushpig, and a caracal one night. But never used it on baboons as could not get the subsonic part to work.