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I am loading for a safari to Botswana and intend to use 200gr. Nosler bullets for plains game up to eland and also leopard as they are very accurate in my .300 Win. Mag. Has anyone used the Accubond on African game or other large game? I wondered if it could retain more of it's weight and therefore exit better than the partition. Your comments will be appreciated. CFA *If you are not hunting in Africa you are planning to hunt in Africa* | ||
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CFA, I don't pretend to know it all but I can say that without a doubt the 200 grain AB is the must accurate and deadly Nosler that I have ever shot. Sable, kudu, warthogs and numerous white tail have all been bang-flop. I can't speak for retained weight as every shot has been a pass through. If fact I tried to recover a bullet this season on white tails by lining up two for one shot. Yep, went right through both of them. Entrance hole on furtherest deer was about the size of a dime and exit a quarter. I just loaded some AB 130 grain .270 bullets today to get ready for next deer season. Perhaps I will be able to recover and weigh one of those. In the rifles(30-06, 300 WM) that I have shot the 200 grain bullets, they were as accurate as ballistic tips and as deadly or more so than partitions. If my 375 H&H didn't like the 300 grain Swift A frames so much I would try them in that rifle as well. Best of luck with your reloading. I think that you will be pleased with the 200 grain AB for any animal that should be shot with a bullet of that size. Jeff "I will not go quietly, I will not lie down!" Don Henley | |||
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CFA, The Accubond is a very fine bullet but the NP is the standard all others are compared too. It just plain works every time. The front third is usually lost but that is a good thing as that was how the bullet was designed with the front third causing tremendous tissue destruction. The back two third continues on and most often exits. I personally have shot more than half of the game I've taken with NP's. The 200 gr NP in the 300 WM has been an excellent performer for me on game from duikers to moose. It also is very accurate in my rifle giving .5" clusters at a chronographed 2960 fps. I guess the point is that if the NP does not give enough penetration for you try the TSX. I don't think the Accubond will offer you any advantage in terminal performance and would only be my choice if the NP would not shoot in my rifle. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I used the 180AB in my .300WM on RSA Plains Game hunt. 16 animals, Steenbuck to Eland and the bullet did just fine in every instance. Recovered 4 or 5 all weighing 135gr. Others were pass throughs. Eland dropped after 15 or so yards. All exit holes were about dime sized. Bones hit were no obstacle not even the zebra shoulder joint that just exploded into shards. Gary Political correctness entails intolerance for some prejudices but impunity for others. James Taranto | |||
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Not to completely jump the thread...but, what about the .416 NP 400gr. for buffalo in Tz. My .416 Rigby just loves 'em.........and with the demise of the Interbond? I was raised shooting the NP but not at buff. Thanks At Home on the Range-Texas Panhandle | |||
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Thanks for all the comments. My rifle does happen to shoot the NP very well so I guess if the wheel aint broke dont fix it. When I was hunting in Zim I didnt get exit wounds on Zebra and Sable but I also did not lose an animal with NP. Mark how did the 200gr NP perform on leopard? CFA *If you are not hunting in Africa you are planning to hunt in Africa* | |||
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I used the 160 grain AB in my .280 last year (Federal Vital Shok) to take PG: Impala, Blesbok, Warthog, Gemsbok, Kudu, Bushbuck, Hartebeast, Black Wildebeast, Nyala, Red Lechwe etc. Just returned from Zim last week and took a Chobe Bushbuck and Waterbuck with said load. No problems with accuracy, penetration or performance. As far as Federal Cartridge company knew, last year I was the first to report on their 60 grain NP in .223 (Federal Vital Shok again) for African PG taking Steenbok, 2-Springbok, Bushbuck, Mtn., Reedbuck and Bontebok. I have high regards for the AB's. Used them in Texas this year on Whitetails. As mentioned: "bang, flop!" Use what your rifle shoots best, but the .300 should be plenty for anything your hunting in either bullet. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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In my experince on Australian game with the Accubond, I would imagine they are way too explosive for African game, especially for Eland. I believe for African game, the projectile needs a mechanical stop on the expansion and core bonding with a thinish jacket as per the Accubond, just won't be reliable enough. Why not try the NP for everying else and save the Accubond for the cat. Or even better yet, load the 200 Northfork  | |||
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Guys, Is Nosler partition the same as Federal Nosler Partition? Thank you in advance, Hamdeni  | |||
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The Accubond will performed nearly identically to the Partion IMO. I've killed 11 animals so far with them ranging from bushbuck to bull elk. Retained weight is nearly identical to like weight partitions, and from every thing I've read penitration is very very close to the same in test media. I've only recovered a couple of them, and both were found under the off side skin. Have yet to see one 'blow up'. Entrance holes look like any other bullet, and exit holes are in the 50ct piece range or better. | |||
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Hamdeni, Nosler makes the bullet itself, but federal and other company's buy it from Nosler to make their own loads. | |||
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I'm with Ivan on this one. The Nosler AB has performed flawlessly for me. I've only recoved two so far and both penetrated full body width, breaking the far shoulder and stopping just under the skin (Kudu and Gemsbok). Both were at ranges of over 200 yards. Not only was I surprised by how well they performed on African game, so was my PH. They will return with me this June. As I mentioned, I use Federal Vital Shok in .280 as I do not load my own. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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CFA, Personally I would think the 200 NP would be ideal for leopard. The initial violent expansion you get should work very well on the lightly built cat. I didn't have the 300WM on the safaris were I shot my leopards but all 3 died very quickly with good chest shots from 338, 330 and 375. I don't think it takes anything special to kill a leopard but you have to be spot on with your shot placement. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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My wife shot more than 100 animals with 180 grain Accubonds in her 30-06 from Whitetail to bear and everything in between never lost an animal. I shot more than 60 animals from Whitetail to Bison and everything in between 260 Grain Accubond .375 H&H never lost one animal. When the Accubond started life, most likely I was the first member on AR that started posting about the Accubonds performance and accuracy, a lot of members where skeptic about the bullet and compared it with Interbonds, that is like comparing oranges with lemons. My statements are derived from experience on game. Paper and gelatin is fine to a certain extend, beyond that I like to see terminal performance and more than 160 animals tell the story. The Accubond is a very fine bullet; I believe it has an advantage over the NP that it shoots very accurate in most rifles and leaves lager wound cavities. I used the partition quite a bit also a fine bullet with a sterling record, regardless I like the Accubond better. Roland | |||
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Nosler factory people swear that this bullet is suited to buffalo in the 375 H&H, despite what has been written here. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Russ, I does work on buffalo, shot 2 of them 260 grain .375 H&H Roland | |||
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Wolfgar, Thank you very much for the info because i hope to use them on Buffalo this year. Hamdeni
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Hamdeni, I love the Accubond but it was not designed for cape buffalo. It is perfect for medium sized game. I would look into the Barnes X and Swift A-frame. | |||
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The AB is a great plains game bullet. As posted before, 10 of us went to SA last April and shot 95 animals, many with the AB and they performed on par with partitions in terminal performance and retained weight. The 200gr. AB for the 300mag is perfect, as is the partition. I would take the one that shoots the most accurate. The .375 260gr AB will not reliably hold up to tough shots on Cape Buffalo. A tougher/heavier bullet is in order. I would consider the 300gr partition minimum and lean towards the Barnes TSX, TBBC or Swift A-frame in either 270 or 300 grain weights. | |||
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. The 200 gr. Nosler is my all time favorite bullet in my 300 H&H. The 400 gr. .416 Nosler is an absolutly wonderful buffalo bullet. I stay with Nosler, Woodleighs, and Northforks. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Kevin Robertson's book "Africa's Most Dangerous" (all about cape buffalo) has an excellent discussion on bullet weights and sectional density. He concludes that the 380grn is best for the .375 and cape buffalo, but concedes that the 300grn has sufficient knockdown power to suffice. He does not feel anything lighter than 300grn should be used. | |||
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