Shooting Lions from Trucks?

08 September 2011, 02:49

MacD37

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Originally posted by Trax:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MacD37:
I have to agree the shooting from the truck on an unwounded cat is not right unless the animal is actually charging while you are on the truck.

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BY Trax:
The way I understand it, most here are saying something somewhat different,.. that shooting an unwounded cat from a truck is wrong, Period.

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by Mac
We have a member who posts here who has made several films that seems to be favorable to many here, yet he shoots unwounded TROPHY animals from the back of the hunting car. What's up with that?

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by Traxx
Those choosing to shoot from the ground in situations were an available higher vantage point[vehicle] would allow less chance of a snuffed shot, may be appeasing one form of personal ethic or form of showmanship, but be ignoring other practical common sense ones.
If taking the shot from a vehicle sensibly allows one some advantage[ie; a clearer view/perspective and steadier rest in order to best achieve a cleaner/swifter kill], then its seems ethical to me.... after all, thats our primary objective aint it?

POST EDITED, and re-posted TO ADD THE INFO BELOW
IMO, shooting African trophy animals from the vehicle simply because it gives you an advantage is simply not done Ole Boy! Now if you are on a car and are charged by a lion, wounded or not when he gets close enough he is going to ingest one or more of my bullets!

On this thread though I have recieved some inside info that indicates this was simply a CANNED SHOOTING! Haveing recieved this info I appologise for giving the shooter the benefit of doubt, till this information came to light! You know, "innocent till proven guilty", being the tack to take till you know whithout a doubt the truth or falsity of a crime being commited!

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05 October 2011, 20:56

NitroX

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Originally posted by Trax:
Its not about a comparison [this Vs That] between Africa and Hym. Tahr. Its simply to demonstrate and discover what personal principles a person holds.
Hym.Tahr In the Alps of NZ aint some bizarre quest or strange alien destination, certainly nor more or less than Africa. Why you see it as ridiculous example I don't know.

Actually the same. Use of a chopper to shoot alpine game in NZ is just another form of lazy canned "hunting".

06 October 2011, 04:34

Trax

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Originally posted by NitroX:
Use of a chopper to shoot alpine game in NZ is just another form of lazy canned "hunting".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the past you have said that, if one is comfortable & content with what one has achieved and how one achieved it,it matters not what others may think.[or words to that effect]

Are you totally opposed to taking/attempting killing shots on game from a form of transport whilst hunting?...or Do you feel that there are certain circumstances that make it acceptable for a hunter to hunt/take his shot, from some form of transport?

Is it ok for a person with medical condition to hunt game from a vehicle,... or use Heli to get him in close proximity to disembark to take his shot?

Is quietly drifting down a river and hunting game in the river,or on the riverbank, unsporting or unethical?
..should a person have to disembark and stalk/hunt on foot?

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Originally posted by NitroX:Posted 26 May 2006 07:05

Just because some of us might hold a trophy or a person in total contempt for shooting it from a helicopter should not bother ANYONE if they think it is a fine way to kill a premier game animal..

06 October 2011, 04:50

N E 450 No2

It look to me like he was using a Drilling.

I think it might be a scoped Kreghoff???

06 October 2011, 21:38

NitroX

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Originally posted by Trax:
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Originally posted by NitroX:
Use of a chopper to shoot alpine game in NZ is just another form of lazy canned "hunting".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the past you have said that, if one is comfortable & content with what one has achieved and how one achieved it,it matters not what others may think.[or words to that effect]

I will correct you. No I have not said that. and you seem to need to try to justify yourself by taking things out of context.

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Originally posted by NitroX:Posted 26 May 2006 07:05

Just because some of us might hold a trophy or a person in total contempt for shooting it from a helicopter should not bother ANYONE if they think it is a fine way to kill a premier game animal..

I would never have said that. Except if it was in EXTREME sarcasm. Sarcasm probably flies well over your head ...

I did a search on that supposed comment. And amazingly this was the rest of the quotation below.

I won't bother answering you anymore. You were challenged by another on this thread on your African hunting experience or lack of it? How about some comments on that? Or merely are you going to try more net "cut and pasting" out of context?

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Originally posted by NitroX:
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Originally posted by muzza:
Show me where I have said I condone canned hunts or chopper shooting .

What I have stated all along - and you dont seem to have caught on yet - is that it isnt your right to tell others how they can hunt.
I have stated that it is legal to use a helicopter here , and it is legal to hunt a penned animal . Nowhere have I said that I do those things , or even that i would consider it .

At the end of the day you cannot impose your personal "ethics" on anyone except yourself .

As long as you guys continue to rabbit on along these lines I will defend the right of any individual to hunt however he or she sees fit , providing it is within the laws of the land .

As I said , and you have quoted me as saying , if you dont like it-dont come here. But dont tell me what to do in my backyard.

Muzza

I'm not getting personal here at all.

I was thinking about this thread and thinking about how gentlemen like you get upset by comments made here. You say it is up to the individual and if legal, why not?

First point. In the great firearms control debates we keep arguing that firearms should be a right, and honest law abiding hunters and shooters should not be unreasonably restricted. We argue the government should NOT BE ABLE TO TELL US WHAT TO DO.

Yet in this debate, we say BECAUSE THE GOV'T IS OK WITH IT, IT IS OK !!!

Why shouldn't we make up our own individual minds what is OK and WHAT IS NOT OK.

Is the concept of fair chase dead in New Zealand? In the pursuit of the almighty dollar?

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Second point. You say, what is to you, what others do?

This same attitude can be turned. Why do you get so upset because we have certain beliefs and you claim to not even do the things we are arguing against?

Just because some of us might hold a trophy or a person in total contempt for shooting it from a helicopter should not bother ANYONE if they think it is a fine way to kill a premier game animal. I am happy and willing to defend all my hunting and have always been honest when I have made mistakes because they were honest mistakes. Not deceit and lies to cover up embarrassing behaviour.

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My attitude is anywhere in the world:

1. Any animal taken in a HIGH fenced enclosure, paddock, park etc should not be eligible for trophy registers eg the SCI.

2. No trophy from NZ should be eligible for inclusion on trophy registers if the hunter flew into camp or the hunting area the same day as the animal was shot.

Most of the guys doing this sort of thing aren't interested in hunting at all, merely bragging rights, medals or "trophies" for grand slams, being listed on registers etc. In and out of the mountains in a day or two, so they can do their 20 animals in a week or two.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...1043/m/405104484/p/1

All the other posts of mine in that thread show easily what the context was. Guess you didn't bother reading anything other than a line to use to lie about my very obvious position.