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Agree 100%. I cannot abide hearing or seeing in print the term "harvest" as an alternative for "kill." One harvests crops, not game animals. I guess I'm OK with using "shot" instead of "killed." Although such usage might leave open the question as to "how effectively?" "Dispatched" seems a bit formal, and possibly archaic. I'm still on the fence about "took" to mean "killed." Don't even get me started about using "weapon" when discussing sporting arms. LTC, USA, RET Benefactor Life Member, NRA Member, SCI & DSC Proud son of Texas A&M, Class of 1969 "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" Robert Browning | |||
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As a simple courtesy, I always block out the faces of people before posting pics on the internet, unless I have their express permission to do so. With digital editing capabilities an innocent person's face can appear on all types of unsavory photos. Just a fact of life in the digital age. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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For that matter, a farmer slaughters livestock, harvest implies plant matter... | |||
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I see it a bit differently... all game animals are a renewable resource nowadays, managed expressly as that. In that light, aren't we harvesting a renewable resource, just like a crop? FWIW, TP&W refers to the "deer harvest" in their yearly report. Or at least they used to... | |||
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Ah Saeed, you should have thrown in a gross of condoms while you had her on the ropes just to see if her head would explode.  | |||
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Harvest instead of kill.......more PC Chickens are a renewable resource and are not harvested at the local Tyson plant Nope....own up to it....I sure do We hunters kill animals.....it's that simple We harvest crops ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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My wife is a non-hunter that has been on several hunts with me. She thinks that calling it harvesting is wimping out for hunting or slaughtering. DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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+1 Or likened to an illicit porn movie  Best regards, D. Nelson | |||
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I am a hunter and proud to be one. I have a Proud to be a Pennsylvania Hunter bumber sticker that I got from a fairly new WCO, whom I knew from being a rifle team coach and 4-H leader. I hate the harvest thing too. I shot it, got it, or killed it is what I say. PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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The future of hunt report photos on AR? I hope not.  Mike | |||
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Great photo alteration and point well made. And I would remind AR Patrons or curious readers that these are topics under the headings "Hunting" and "African Big Game Hunting". There should be no compulsion to satisfy a non-hunter's taste or sensibilities here. Good discussion. | |||
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Has there been a single example of an AR member writing a hunt report and covering ones face ? I have seen it only in outfitters using the hunt report forum for free native advertising. I see a reason why someone would not want to have a picture with a dead lion on a public forum. I have a great picture of Biebs with my dead lion. If I posted it on AR and some anti hunter takes it and suddenly Biebs goes from a private citizen to a poster child for an activity that is socially frowned upon (hunting lions scientifically is the best thing for Africa's lions). I would also worry about uploading pictures into an open photobucket account - a link from AR opens up ones whole library. A single lion hunting photo can convert a private citizen into a poster child for anti hunting on social media. Mike | |||
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How true. My deepest fear is my face being photoshopped into a pic of Biebs and a Blaser. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Would improve your looks or his? | |||
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I think that he would be more ashamed of being seen with a Blaser.  Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I was asked why I like to hunt elephants and I responded: "I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want to." That was the end of the conversation and a quizzical look on the person's face. | |||
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I post hunting photo's on facebook just hoping that someone has a go at me.....no one has yet  ------------------------------ A mate of mine has just told me he's shagging his girlfriend and her twin. I said "How can you tell them apart?" He said "Her brother's got a moustache!" | |||
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The above is absolutely true even if you don’t post pictures on the net yourself! I don’t post on face-book but I have four grown children, and 13 grand children who do post on Face-book and they take pictures in my home on visits of relatives along with information I do not agree with. Some of those pictures were taken with my gun vault door open in the background , and some in my trophy room. Then in the information they post they have given my address to some of their friends. This is a security breach that I do not need. My oldest child posted that her mother had died, and that she would be in another town for a week for the funeral. When she returned, her home had been burglarized and totally trashed. It seemed that because they knew how long she would be gone the perps decided to stay in her home for a few days to destroy her house. SO! What social media does for you is use anything you post for some not so honest ideas. That is one thing that posting only causes you a problem but when you post information belonging to others takes the power out of that persons hands. …………………………………………………......................................................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Biebs has told me Robert Redford looks like him. Mike | |||
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I post my hunting report photos with me and everyone else, and every animal that I've killed, right there, for all to see, in living color. I do it as a public service, because my presence makes everyone else in the photos, including the dead animals, look much better than they would if they were alone. Draw your own conclusions. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I was thinking more along the lines of Vinny Barbarino.... | |||
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Curious as to what the end game is here? What is the goal? Is it purely to inflame and antagonize the anti-hunting movement? You guys with the "in your face:" mentality as to posting pictures on FB and even here on AR, can you answer me as to why. Is it ego? It surely has nothing to do with a conservation thru hunting strategy. Your obtuse posting has, and is costing all of us and our heirs. The rich hunting and shooting sports heritage of America is at stake here. I Just don't understand how you don't get it, YOU are giving our opposition the very information to bludgeon us with. Again, I believe AR should be a pay site. The anti's are also cheap and won't pay. At that point, we have closed the bedroom door and we can share our hunts with one another, without worry. Saeed can then donate 100% of the funding from the AR membership dues to an annual conservation cause. Anyone whom cares to pigeon-hole my stance as withdrawing from the battle simply doesn't completely understand who it is we are fighting. Discuss, Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Hunting television shows . . . showcase hunting. Hunting magazines . . . showcase hunting. Hunting DVDs . . . showcase hunting. Hunting books . . . showcase hunting. Hunting websites and forums . . . showcase hunting. A suggestion to those that do not like hunting, do not watch hunting television shows, read hunting books and magazines, watch hunting DVDs . . . or frequent hunting websites. Material difference in my mind from a narrow subject matter forum like AR and a broad social media platform like Facebook or Twitter. Mike | |||
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Mike, we agree on the narrow point you're making. The problem is, they aren't tuning in or logging on to watch it to learn or even out of curiosity. They are watching it to capture the emotion they need, to sell their anti hunting message. It is wrapped up in slick campaigns as to saving iconic creatures from "annihilation." If I don't like ESPN or ABC or the lifetime network, I simply turn it off. They see our sport as immoral, un-athical and perhaps even illegal. In their world view, we are simply poachers and many of them wish us death. I've seen the same vitriol you have. Plain and simple, they despise our very existence. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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While I can see the value in avoiding the so-called "mainstream" social media outlets like Facebook and Twitter with hunting-related content, I do not agree that the only solution is to make hunting completely opaque to the general public. We need to be prudent and tasteful in messaging that the public has access to; however, we do not, in my view, need to take the sport underground. Mike | |||
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It has absolutely nothing to do with ego. We are hunters, we enjoy hunting, and we like to share our experiences with other hunters. Why should we hide?? Are we doing anything that one should be ashamed of? Isn't that what those idiots against hunting are trying to do? And the only way so called "conservation"is going to work is for us to go and hunt. Spending time and money hunting does more to conserve wild areas than all the silly postering the likes of SCI keep screaming about. Hunters DO put their money where it actually makes a difference - conserving wild areas for the animals. And of course, the antis will never acknowledge this very simple fact. The thing that never ceases to amaze me is the fact that so many idiots devote their lives in trying to stop us hunting. Why? Do any of you here spend ANY time trying to stop others from doing things they do, that might appear absolutely repugnant to you?? I know I don't, and there are so many things being done today which defy my comprehension! | |||
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Hi Steve, Ever share pictures of your collector cars or race boats? How about bicycles? I have a beautiful all original hand made Italian Tomasso with full super record groupo. If I posted a picture of it on a bicycling website would it be "ego" making me do it or just a drive to share pictures of something like minded folks might find cool. I put pics of my 12V Gen II Cummins down in the "classic car" forum below. Enjoy!! I've got enough ego to share. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Exactly. I refuse to allow these idiots to affect my behavior in any way. Those who thrive on demonizing hunters are, IMHO, irredeemable morons. As Saeed says, they are pathetic no-lifers, and IMHO, often no more than mindless attack dogs. Actually, that last characterization insults man's best friend, but you get my point. They live in a Disney-like fantasy world and won't allow any realities to intrude. If their goal is to make me ashamed of hunting, which I do legally and ethically, they will fail utterly and completely. I love hunting. I'm not necessarily "proud" of it - although it makes me very happy hen I do it well. But I will never be ashamed of it or allow anyone to "shame" me into goving it up. If their goal is to recruit more idiots to their cause, then they can do their worst. I can't and won't try to change an idiot's mind in any case. Shame on them, not us! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Steve, You saw my response to this thread on the hunting reports forum, and even commented favorably. Now, I get plenty of comments about my hunting from my friends and acquaintances in real life. Having a few plains game heads in my office does tend to start the conversation on that. I tend to look at it as offering a view to interested persons of something I enjoy doing and hopefully they will enjoy it as well. I do note that my reports have evolved a bit to add some local color and also I have been trying to add a bit of conservation to them. I have always enjoyed writing, albeit in school I did not like writing papers because the assigned topics were usually incredibly boring to me. From that point (indulging in what I enjoy, writing which I enjoy, and getting some positive feedback- which is nice) I would have to say it does have some ego involved, although I am not a psychiatrist or believe the business that pretty much everything is done for ego... I used to put some stuff on facebook and actually got complained to management about (elephant hunt photo for avatar) which I basically told them that I don't need them, its a legal activity, and if they wanted to remove the photo of me with the elephant, then remove my entire account. They found that I was OK.- that to show I will get in their face at times. From my perspective, I try to be educational, and not too confrontational in my posting, but not apologetic. I figure if they go looking for it, they will find it. It may bite me on the ass someday, but frankly, after my first african hunt, I was out there and might as well be hung for an elephant hunter as a buffalo hunter or whatever. If we allow ourselves to be pushed further underground, we will be tacitly admitting that we are not proud of what we do and that there is something vaguely wrong with us. I am not going to go out and confront folks over it and force them to see a bloody rhino picture, but I will attempt to share (tastefully) my hunting adventures with like minded folks and friends, and if that offends the sensibilities of the overly sensitive, I guess I will have to listen to them whine if they want to confront me, and then politely tell them how they are wrong. If they threaten me, I will prosecute to the fullest extent under the law, and also point out how awfully hypocritical they are, as they usually are rankly so. I know you have hunted a lot. I wish you would do some hunt reports for all to see, it would make interesting reading- and I am sure you could use a good ego feeding every now and then... | |||
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Hey Jim, The flaw in your argument is, there isn't a well financed, very organized movement trying to stop me from racing bicycles. I'm sorry, I see no upside in our efforts to continue sport hunting by posting pictures. Only downside. What is that definition of insanity? How has hunting progressed in the last 4-5 years? We aren't moving the needle in our direction, perhaps a different direction would be appropriate. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Great post! I commented on your Rhino simply because completing the Big 5 is a huge accomplishment. And you are to be commended for doing so in an honorable fashion. I think most who are reading my feelings on this understand that I am doing so with no hostility or negativity. We simply see the way forward for International Sport Hunting differently. Yes, I've hunted much of the world and yes I do share my pursuits with passion. However I do so by writing for magazines when they will take my stuff. I believe magazines and other published media are safe, as the anti's, as I have continued to say, are cheap. They won't buy the stuff. if it's free, they'll right click and save. Beyond that, they won't bother. My Trophy Room will be featured in the upcoming volume 8 of "Great Hunters, their Trophy Rooms and Collections." That may seem hypocritical to my feelings but again, they won't spend 80 bucks (or whatever it is) to buy pictures. I truly admire and appreciate many fellow hunters on AR, I want to be able to continue hunting Lions, Leopards and Elephants as much as anyone. Regards, Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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I feel it is best not to post a picture than to post one with the face of the hunter cut-out.For one thing it obviously gives the impression that the hunter did something wrong. | |||
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The social media outlets are what I stay away from. I have no problem with posting my picture with a legally taken member of the wild game, on a hunting site. I don’t know how to post pictures but I would have no problem with that! It is others posting my business on social media along with a lot of information that is my private business that I object to. The antis will lurk hunting sites , and that is a fact we simply have to deal with. On a hunting site one must not miss a chance to comment on game preservation and habitat paid for by hunters not antis! ……………………………………………………………………  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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