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A good PH knows how to include the client in the hunt to the extent possible, so that they feel and actually are members of the TEAM, and not just there to be dragged around the bush to jerk the trigger when so instructed

Bill,

You hit the nail on the head with the above. A PH might be a super star in all other areas of his job but if he doesn't have people skills he'll never be really good. I spent 28 days once with a guy that didn't have those skills. It was obvious that it was his safari and Sadie and I were just there to shoot the rifle and snap pictures. He's not working for the well known company I hunted with anymore.

Mark

Well I been coming to this little corner of the world wide web for some time now. I only post when I have something to say. Not to hear myself type. My work took me to many places in the last 35 or so years and I gotten to hunt a lot of places because of it. What I gotten out of it or not is a private matter. For the most part hunting is a private matter, how you get along with a PH or a Guide or the camp cook or the tracker tells more about you than anything else. Its how you treat people who can do nothing for you, that tells the tail. I like the people I ran across in hunting camps over the years. Most are working for a rate you or I would not its as simple as that, with out Us the PH's and the trackers have nothing with out the PH's and the trackers to keep Us out of real trouble, we would not hunt Africa or any of the other wilderness places on this earth. The two go hand in hand. I don't hide who I am on the internet either!

Chobe,

I don't know if you are a troll just trying to stir some s$*t but I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is a legitimate question. I will try to answer the question as best as I can.

As stated above an African guided hunt is a team effort. Your role in that team is unlimited and is dependent on your experience level and your desire to participate as a true team member. You can sit back and let the pros do everything and that is what most of us do until we gain enough experience to fully participate. The more elephant hunts I take, the more I participate. I am at the point now where I help the trackers while constantly learning from them. I can make good estimates of the age of ele tracks and on my last hunt even got a compliment from the head tracker on my ability in this regard. I occasionally find the directions of tracks when we lose them in difficult terrain. I don't kid my self though that I am anywhere as good at it as they are. I kept the PH in one case from having me shoot a tuskless with a calf that we didn't see thus saving him no end of trouble with Parks. I could name several more instances where I was able to contribute to the successful tracking of a herd.

The biggest contribution to the hunt that we as clients make is with our money. Without it there would be much less game, there would be few or no PHs and the trackers wouldn't have the skill they now have. Not to mention the betterment of their lives through our paying them. The Nat. Parks agencies wouldn't have the money to control poaching or maintain habitat.

465H&H

After reading all of his recent posts, I do not think Chobe Bushbuck is a Troll. If fact his post that got this thread started appears to be out of character.

Soooooooo, who rang your bell Chobe? Looking at the keyboard through the bottom of a glass? Or as Bwana Bunkucki posted:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Just in the mood to stir up some dissention are we?

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:

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A good PH knows how to include the client in the hunt to the extent possible, so that they feel and actually are members of the TEAM, and not just there to be dragged around the bush to jerk the trigger when so instructed

Bill,

You hit the nail on the head with the above. A PH might be a super star in all other areas of his job but if he doesn't have people skills he'll never be really good. I spent 28 days once with a guy that didn't have those skills. It was obvious that it was his safari and Sadie and I were just there to shoot the rifle and snap pictures. He's not working for the well known company I hunted with anymore.

Mark

BTDT

Chobe,

I must admit, my first impression of you was,
"Here is a guy who would like to go to Africa, but can't, so let's bash those who have been."

Just my honest opinion. Ironic, because to some extent, I have posted very often here that African hunting isn't that hard and that most of the "credit" should go to the PH.

I have a small grizzly bear with beautiful hair that I shot on a do it yourself hunt in AK when I was up there in the Army. Shot it myself on a Memorial Day weekend over 20 years ago. I am still "proud" of that. Why? Because I did it myself. I have said here before a six point bull elk on public land is a far more impressive trophy than a run of the mill buffalo. Do it yourself, and it is even more impressive.

George Semel said hunting is a very private thing. I agree. It is why I don't have animal mounts strewn all over the house. I have no need for someone to "see my stuff" and I could really care less what someone thinks about my taxidermy collection or hunting habits.

I hunt only because I like to. Could I have shot my African stuff by myself? Of course not. Am I a better hunter because I hunted Africa? Again, ironically, I would probably be better at deer, elk, etc. if I had focused only on those animals.

The best hunters in the world are those that don't utilize guides, hunt on public land, and shoot huge trophies. To be successful, they must hunt one area for very few species. Unfortunately, like many Africaphiles, they become very one dimensional by the very fact that they specialize in that.

Kinda sucks, huh?

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
chobe,

I drive a Jaguar convertible. I paid for it, and I pay for the gas and insurance. Who gets the credit, me or the construction company who built the Interstate I drive on?

Nothing wrong with being an ass every once in awhile, just don't make a career out of it.

Rich

by the way, congratulations on a fantastic start here on AR. One thing, you have nowhere to go but up from here.

I have to agree with Saeed. Trophy size is largely a matter of luck.

There are WAY too many hunters that hunt in close proximity to a tape measure. I could not give a rats arse if my trophy did or did not make some bloody record book. It's not about inches, however there are a lot of hunters (the penis brigade?) who think it is.

What is the more memorable hunt, the one where you brain an 60 pounder on the first day, (lucky) at 40 yds, or stop a tuskless cow with a bad case of PMT and screaming louder than your mother in law, at 10 yds, in thick jesse, after several or more days in the bush?

Chobe Bushbuck,

Perhaps you should know what you're talking about before you make rediculous statements that make a fool out of yourself. I'm a chiropractor as well and in my practice I agree 100% with HAY-MAN. I work with other medical professionals and refer my patients to medical professionals for diagnostic testing, surgical consults, PT, and medicine on a regular basis. I also treat many other healthcare professionals in my community.

Brett

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Originally posted by HAY-MAN:
Chode Bushduck,
In general your comments are entertaining. However when it comes to Chiropractic you are way off track. On a frequent basis in my Chiropractic practice I work with and refer patients to GP's, Neurologists, Orthopedic specialist etc and vice versa they refer patients to my office for care. I have many medical doctors, dentists,and other health care providers as patients and they sure as hell don,t see it your way. Your narrow minded outdated comments are bullshit.

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Originally posted by John Frederick:
I have to agree with Saeed. Trophy size is largely a matter of luck.

There are WAY too many hunters that hunt in close proximity to a tape measure. I could not give a rats arse if my trophy did or did not make some bloody record book. It's not about inches, however there are a lot of hunters (the penis brigade?) who think it is.

What is the more memorable hunt, the one where you brain an 60 pounder on the first day, (lucky) at 40 yds, or stop a tuskless cow with a bad case of PMT and screaming louder than your mother in law, at 10 yds, in thick jesse, after several or more days in the bush?

I would take the 60 pounder.

+1 on the 60 pounder!!

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by John Frederick:
I have to agree with Saeed. Trophy size is largely a matter of luck.

There are WAY too many hunters that hunt in close proximity to a tape measure. I could not give a rats arse if my trophy did or did not make some bloody record book. It's not about inches, however there are a lot of hunters (the penis brigade?) who think it is.

What is the more memorable hunt, the one where you brain an 60 pounder on the first day, (lucky) at 40 yds, or stop a tuskless cow with a bad case of PMT and screaming louder than your mother in law, at 10 yds, in thick jesse, after several or more days in the bush?

I would take the 60 pounder.

60 pounder all day long baby...

Jeff

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Chobe Bushbuck,

Perhaps you should know what you're talking about before you make rediculous statements that make an ass out of yourself. I'm a chiropractor as well and in my practice I agree 100% with HAY-MAN. I work with other medical professionals and refer my patients to medical professionals for diagnostic testing, surgical consults, PT, and medicine on a regular basis. I also treat many other healthcare professionals in my community.

Brett

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Originally posted by HAY-MAN:
Chode Bushduck,
In general your comments are entertaining. However when it comes to Chiropractic you are way off track. On a frequent basis in my Chiropractic practice I work with and refer patients to GP's, Neurologists, Orthopedic specialist etc and vice versa they refer patients to my office for care. I have many medical doctors, dentists,and other health care providers as patients and they sure as hell don,t see it your way. Your narrow minded outdated comments are bullshit.

Would that be before or after your shift at REI?

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
60 pounder all day long baby...

Jeff

Welcome me to the little PP brigade too!! If a 60 pounder wanders out, or a 120 pounder for that matter, on the first day or the first hour, I'm going after him! I am not apologizing for liking big trophies. One of the biggest kudus I ever saw was in the first 5 minutes of my first African hunt. He saw us and took off!

It's kinda like when a guy brings in a big 12 point at deer camp, and some guy makes the comment "It's OK, but you can't eat antlers. That little spike I shot will taste a lot better than a tough ole buck. I'm in it for the meat!"

I just took a dump, who gets the credit? Me or Juan Carlos's taco stand?

All offense intended chobe

I was just 4 when I got my fist hand made sling shot for my birthday. It was made of guava wood and bicycle tube rubber with a patch of leather. When I hurt my thumb, I suffered the pain. When I broke the rubber, I had tears. When I got blisters from using it I suffered the pain again. When I learned to tie the replacement rubber I was proud. I had to save and connive to find old cycle tube rubber! I was proud! It took me 6 years to shoot my first bird with it and I was thrilled. Then I shot my first squirrel and was I thrilled!! I skinned it and salted it myself at age 11. Yes I was proud. I went partridge hunting with my dad when I was 9 and got my first experience of him shooting at flying birds & flushing birds! Was I thrilled.

Then I got my air rifle as a teenager at 16...then I got to go on hunts with adults for ducks, hare etc. with shotguns. I shot my first duck and game birds with borrowed shotguns and under the supervision of various adults. Was I thrilled.

At 19 I had saved enough & I got my first single barreled shotgun - an old old H&R....and I scrimped and saved to get local black powder to reload. I even learned to make lead shots by melting solder lead in a tin with holes and let it drop into a slurry of cow dung! I learned to walk into scrub and thorn forest, I got scratched, fell, and came home tired with not a shot fired...and I was still thrilled and proud that I tried. I went on other hunts with other friends and relatives and missed game. Then I got my first muntjack (small deer, the size of a duiker) - yes it was spotted by one of the workers on the tea estate where I was Assistant Manager. But was I thrilled. I shared the meat. I skinned the deer and salted it. I shot and skinned Grey jungle fowl and gifted the neck hackle feathers - I was very proud.

I was 35 when I could fire a rifle for the first time at a range. Then I bought my first rifles and went deer hunting with club members. I struggled in the bush with compass and map, I spooked deer and missed opportunities. Then I really learned to hunt and shot my first wild deer with a rifle at 38! More than a decade later, I still miss game, trip and fall, scratch myself and spook game. Occasionally I shoot game. Now I have taken my daughter and son hunting. I was proud when my 11 year old girl shot her first rabbit and my 8 yr old son got his first. I was very proud when he took the air gun and stalked a rabbit in the vegetable garden and head shot it! I was very proud when he shot his first animal - a feral goat - with my 7mm08. I was so sad when he cut his brow with the scope. But I was very proud when he did not cry....





I am very proud that my kids were with me when I shot this young fallow doe.



Now, could you please share similar stories on hunting rather than be a spoil sport?

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Originally posted by Chobe Bushbuck:

quote:

Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
Chobe Bushbuck,

Perhaps you should know what you're talking about before you make rediculous statements that make a fool out of yourself. I'm a chiropractor as well and in my practice I agree 100% with HAY-MAN. I work with other medical professionals and refer my patients to medical professionals for diagnostic testing, surgical consults, PT, and medicine on a regular basis. I also treat many other healthcare professionals in my community.

Brett

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Originally posted by HAY-MAN:
Chode Bushduck,
In general your comments are entertaining. However when it comes to Chiropractic you are way off track. On a frequent basis in my Chiropractic practice I work with and refer patients to GP's, Neurologists, Orthopedic specialist etc and vice versa they refer patients to my office for care. I have many medical doctors, dentists,and other health care providers as patients and they sure as hell don,t see it your way. Your narrow minded outdated comments are bullshit.

Would that be before or after your shift at REI?

What in the hell are you talking about????????? ???????

Brett

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Originally posted by aussie21:
I just took a dump, who gets the credit? Me or Juan Carlos's taco stand?

Damn that is FUNNY!

How 'bout this for an answer: Whoever wiped.

JPK

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Originally posted by JPK:

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Originally posted by aussie21:
I just took a dump, who gets the credit? Me or Juan Carlos's taco stand?

Damn that is FUNNY!

How 'bout this for an answer: Whoever wiped.

JPK

That was funny. I told Ms AZwriter about it when I saw it last night. She was wondering why I was laughing.

You should consider a career in cable TV Aussie.

I'll tell you who I give the credit to - God.
He created me. He created the buffalo. He created the PH. And, he even created Mr. Harris Holland who gave us the .375 H&H and all the fine Nitro Express cartridges.

For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Romans 11:36