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Originally posted by Luangwa_Lover:

I hope this is clear. The barbaric acts that were performed in one of the videos that was posted on another thread earlier is entirely against islamic beliefs and from my observation there was a lot of taunting of the animal before the halaal act took place.

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Originally posted by maki:
In my limited experience, while hunting halal is whatever the senior believer says it is. While in the Selous, most of the hunting and camp staff I met considered themselves muslim. After the animals were shot and the photos taken the game scout would borrow my knife and cut the throat. The practice didn't match up to theory but as far as I could tell the muslims ate as well as anyone.

Dean

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Originally posted by Sevens:

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Originally posted by maki:
In my limited experience, while hunting halal is whatever the senior believer says it is. While in the Selous, most of the hunting and camp staff I met considered themselves muslim. After the animals were shot and the photos taken the game scout would borrow my knife and cut the throat. The practice didn't match up to theory but as far as I could tell the muslims ate as well as anyone.

Dean

Can you ask that the throat not be cut, or at least have the animal skinned out first before being cut? Nothing against the staffs religious beliefs, but I have always heard that cutting the throat was a big "no no" if you want the animal mounted.

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Taxidermists complain about every little thing!!!

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Originally posted by maki:
In my limited experience, while hunting halal is whatever the senior believer says it is. While in the Selous, most of the hunting and camp staff I met considered themselves muslim. After the animals were shot and the photos taken the game scout would borrow my knife and cut the throat. The practice didn't match up to theory but as far as I could tell the muslims ate as well as anyone.

Dean

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Originally posted by Luangwa_Lover:
The aspect of making an animal Halaal to eat is very plain and simple. Whilst an animal is still alive, its neck needs to be cut in a certain manner using a very sharp knife in order to cause the animal the least stress and least pain. Its needs to done swiftly and I repeat, the animal needs to suffer the least stress whilst the act is being performed. The essence of the halaal process is to drain the blood out of the animal and it has to be done whilst the animal is still alive so that the blood exits quickly with the last heartbeats of the animal. Muslims believe that this is to purify the meat of the animal and it is a religious obligation of every muslim to make sure the meat has been slaughtered in the right manner by himself or a fellow muslim before eating it.

It is not done for any other reason (being violent etc) I am a practising muslim, I have had people of different faiths and cultures hunt with me and they all respect my beliefs as It is stipulated in the Quran that an animal should not be distressed in any form when being halaald. The animal is to be given the utmost respect, and the tools that are to be used to perform the act should be of an acceptable standard in order for the animal to attain a swift death and to render the meat 'halaal' for any muslim to consume.

I hope this is clear. The barbaric acts that were performed in one of the videos that was posted on another thread earlier is entirely against islamic beliefs and from my observation there was a lot of taunting of the animal before the halaal act took place.

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Originally posted by Sevens:

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Originally posted by maki:
In my limited experience, while hunting halal is whatever the senior believer says it is. While in the Selous, most of the hunting and camp staff I met considered themselves muslim. After the animals were shot and the photos taken the game scout would borrow my knife and cut the throat. The practice didn't match up to theory but as far as I could tell the muslims ate as well as anyone.

Dean

Can you ask that the throat not be cut, or at least have the animal skinned out first before being cut? Nothing against the staffs religious beliefs, but I have always heard that cutting the throat was a big "no no" if you want the animal mounted.

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Originally posted by Fury01:
Hypothetically; I guess if one had a client badly shoot a cape buffalo and the PH has a knife instead of a 600 nitro while he waited for the Buffalo to choose how it wanted to die; it could be "Halal." That would be good film. Hypothetically of course.

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Then, the kill man would take a knife and insert it into the jugular of the cow, and upon removing the knife there was a gusher of blood pumped out of the cow. If that doesn't qualify as 'Halal', I don't know what would.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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Then, the kill man would take a knife and insert it into the jugular of the cow, and upon removing the knife there was a gusher of blood pumped out of the cow. If that doesn't qualify as 'Halal', I don't know what would.

In accordance with Muslim rites it does not - the throat has to be slit from side to side and the spine severed at the first notch (it is not a necessity for the head to be separated from the trunk).

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Originally posted by Swamp_Fox:
I was raised Baptist. We cut throats and hung everything we butchered but it was dead when this happened.

I still do that when hunting for meat. Old habits and such.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Swamp_Fox:
I was raised Baptist. We cut throats and hung everything we butchered but it was dead when this happened.

I still do that when hunting for meat. Old habits and such.

A hell of a lot of people think that this practice makes the meat better. It is commonly done in the south.

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It is better for table meat helps it keep longer.

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Originally posted by Full Roar:
Well.....if a Muslim shoots it and has a religious belief I would suppose they can handle the duties of their religion themselves
I wouldn't worry about it

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Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:

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Originally posted by Full Roar:
Well.....if a Muslim shoots it and has a religious belief I would suppose they can handle the duties of their religion themselves
I wouldn't worry about it

Unfortunately, for me that is, I do worry about it! Suppose the following set of facts prevail: A Muslim client has indicated that he would like to eat some of what he hunts. He shoots a good double lung shot and after running a few yards the animal goes down, but is still alive. My own sense of hunting ethics tell me to say: Quickly shoot it again. Give him a second or two before saying: "Shoot quickly, or I'll shoot it again!"

But, although ethically I can live with this scenario, it would be exactly the wrong behavior towards my known Muslim client! There is a downed trophy, but it's heart is still pumping, and the Senior Believer close by. The advice given so far basically says that I should rather say: "You run up to it and cut the throat in accordance to your religious beliefs, and I'll follow you closely and be ready to shoot it again if it runs away!"

Thanks for the good advice given so far.