Has headlined our web news here today.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/a...ndangered-rhino-sold

I wish it had sold for more. The Alberta Premiers tag for Bighorn used to sell for $500,000 for several years when someone was going after the WR bighorn.
At least the monies are going to conservation

It looks like the antis have done it again.

I bet all the media hysteria has dampened the auction a lot.

I think this is a rather low price, much lower than I had expected.

Officials from the Humane Society and the International Fund for Animal Welfare have said that while culling can be appropriate in abundant animal populations, all black rhinos should be protected, given their endangered status.

What part of "Old and non breeding" to the anti's not understand??????????? It blows my mind!!!

The amount raised is still a substantial sum of money and can only benefit the species in the long run.............something the ******** anti-s just can't cope with !!!!

If they were so concerned why did they not attend the auction and buy it themselves, translocate it to their backyards and feed it marshmallows around the fire !!

MORONS !!

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Originally posted by Neil-PH:
Officials from the Humane Society and the International Fund for Animal Welfare have said that while culling can be appropriate in abundant animal populations, all black rhinos should be protected, given their endangered status.

What part of "Old and non breeding" to the anti's not understand??????????? It blows my mind!!!

The amount raised is still a substantial sum of money and can only benefit the species in the long run.............something the ******** anti-s just can't cope with !!!!

If they were so concerned why did they not attend the auction and buy it themselves, translocate it to their backyards and feed it marshmallows around the fire !!

MORONS !!

Agreed,I am really surprised at the low price.

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Originally posted by Canuck32:
I wish it had sold for more. The Alberta Premiers tag for Bighorn used to sell for $500,000 for several years when someone was going after the WR bighorn.

I also believe those big money years were pre-financial crisis though I admit I don't know exactly what the high dollar sheep auctions have been going for since 2008. People might not think the global economy matters to people who can afford this sort of stuff, but I think it does. If anything, and will politely disagree with Saeed, I also think the "Anti" publicity might have helped the auction but putting it out there for all to see and maybe attracting bidders who might not have heard of the event otherwise. I think what actually might have hurt the auction was the reality that there was no "guaranteed" importability from USFWS. If that import permit had been issued in advance, the price COULD have been much higher. As it is, some were not willing to take the $500,000 gamble on importability...and I can't say that I blame them.

JMHO

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Originally posted by tendrams:

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Originally posted by Canuck32:
I wish it had sold for more. The Alberta Premiers tag for Bighorn used to sell for $500,000 for several years when someone was going after the WR bighorn.

I also believe those big money years were pre-financial crisis though I admit I don't know exactly what the high dollar sheep auctions have been going for since 2008. People might not think the global economy matters to people who can afford this sort of stuff, but I think it does. If anything, and will politely disagree with Saeed, I also think the "Anti" publicity might have helped the auction but putting it out there for all to see and maybe attracting bidders who might not have heard of the event otherwise. I think what actually might have hurt the auction was the reality that there was no "guaranteed" importability from USFWS. If that import permit had been issued in advance, the price COULD have been much higher. As it is, some were not willing to take the $500,000 gamble on importability...and I can't say that I blame them.

JMHO

I thought the import permit was guaranteed with this? Am I wrong?

IIRC, the export permit was guaranteed but of course, no-one with more than 2 brain cells to rub together could ever guarantee anything from the moronic USF&WS except they'll be a rule unto themselves.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

I thought the import permit was guaranteed with this? Am I wrong?

I thought it was too, but just a few weeks ago someone posted an article here on AR that interviewed a USFWS official who noted that the permit could not have been issued without a name to attach to it and the winner would send in his/her application. I remember thinking the tone of the response was really damaging as it seemed to imply that there were "no guarantees". If I had been sitting on $500K for that hunt, this interview alone would have put me off.

Found it.....and ya, I would have put my money back in the bank on reading this!


USFWS Statement on Dallas Safari Club’s Auction of a Black Rhino Hunting Permit
October 29, 2013

USFWS Statement

The Dallas Safari Club plans to auction a special hunting permit to take a black rhino. The hunting permit will be issued by the Government of the Republic of Namibia with all proceeds earmarked for rhino conservation in that country.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) has not received an application to allow for the importation of a black rhino trophy associated with the Dallas Safari Club auction. Under Service regulations, the required import permit must be issued to a specific individual or company. As such, the winning bidder of the Dallas Safari Club auction must apply for and obtain the required import permit once the auction has ended.

We have provided guidance to the Dallas Safari Club and Dallas Ecological Foundation on specific criteria that must be met for the Service to consider issuing a permit for the importation of a sport-hunted black rhino trophy. For species protected under the Endangered Species Act, an import permit will be issued if, and only if, we determine that the sport-hunted trophy is taken as part of a well-managed conservation program that enhances the long-term survival of the species.

The Government of the Republic of Namibia authorizes an annual harvest of five post- reproductive male black rhinos. The Namibian government has stated that it will issue the black rhino hunting permit that will be auctioned by the Dallas Safari Club in accordance with provisions of the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).

On March 28, 2013, the Service issued an import permit for a sport- hunted black rhino trophy taken in Namibia in 2009. However, the issuance of that permit does not guarantee the issuance of future permits for the import of black rhino sport-hunted trophies from Namibia or elsewhere. The review of any future applications will be based on the eligibility of the applicant, biological data of the specific black rhino being hunted, as well as any new information available at the time the application is received.

I was there and walked through the protesters twice. They were held a ways away from the show. Auction went off without incident to my knowledge.

Anyone that does not believe the economy is still dampening things like this is fooling themselves.

The shows are still a mere shadow (in cash flow) of what they were pre-2007.

It was interesting to watch the protestor ranks dwindle from 40 to 5 hours before the auction began...sunset and it became chilly.

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All of the protesters at about 4 pm yesterday . The parents of 2 kids were urging them on so they could be on TV.

Even though I was unable to be there, I have the feeling that the protestors that remained, were being paid to do so. No way of knowing that for sure but that is the kind of practice that the anti's could/would use.

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All of the protesters at about 4 pm yesterday . The parents of 2 kids were urging them on so they could be on TV.

Larry,
I walked across that cross-walk and into that crowd wearing my DSC badge...no one even said a word to me.

I do not believe there was 20 protestors when I walked by.

I may be wrong but I sensed this may have been totally set up be the media. I thought about several years ago, a rather notorious televangelist lived in my neighborhood. CNN did an investigative report. Protestors were there while CNN was filming. They were never there before or after. Seemed awfully odd to me.

If by notorious you mean one of the "line-my-pocket type evangelists then there's an easy answer to that one, Larry: Hypocrites on both sides.


Dutch

Ain't much of a protest, I've had almost 3 times that many people at my house for dinner.

Im sure it will never be brought up on national media. I sure would like to see someone ask the idiots " why didn't your organization raise the funds to purchase the rhino"
I think the fact that they didn't attempt it, speaks volume's about them. They need to put there money where there mouth is.

I was told the winning bidder made an additional $100K contribution to the preservation of Rhino's, on top of the $350K he paid for the hunt.

My guess would be that the additional amount contributed is $100,000 more than the protestors contributed.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...no-CONSERVATION.html


Article on winning bidder.

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The total bid ($350k) includes the opening $100k.

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Ain't much of a protest, I've had almost 3 times that many people at my house for dinner.

Hopefully they didn't protest the food.

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:Ain't much of a protest, I've had almost 3 times that many people at my house for dinner. Hopefully they didn't protest the food.

Nope! Had it catered.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Ain't much of a protest, I've had almost 3 times that many people at my house for dinner.

Hopefully they didn't protest the food.

Actually I wish the demonstrators were protesting the DSC food. Good lord it is aweful. I had a $10 hamburger on the first day of the show and I swear the bun was circa 1995. Never again...

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by bwana cecil:
Ain't much of a protest, I've had almost 3 times that many people at my house for dinner.

Hopefully they didn't protest the food.

Actually I wish the demonstrators were protesting the DSC food. Good lord it is aweful. I had a $10 hamburger on the first day of the show and I swear the bun was circa 1995. Never again...

yes the food was awefull, my girlfriend comented that a bunch of street hot dog carts could have done a better job, we bought and then threw away the food after 3 bites.

i couldn't help but notice the same thing. i realize that the food vendors set the prices, not DSC, but good lord the prices vs quality was absurd! i have had biltong that was easier to chew!

I'm sorry to see that it didn't go for more....but that is still a substantial amount of money going toward conserving the Rhino. If only we could find a way to properly educate the general public about this sort of thing without the anti's brainwashing everyone with their "abused puppy" commercials.

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...no-CONSERVATION.html


Article on winning bidder.

Hmmm, I guess being a booking agent isn't exactly the road to poverty some here make it out to be.

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Originally posted by Duckear:

Hmmm, I guess being a booking agent isn't exactly the road to poverty some here make it out to be.

His father is rich. REALLY REALLY REALLY rich.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by Duckear:

Hmmm, I guess being a booking agent isn't exactly the road to poverty some here make it out to be.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
His father is rich. REALLY REALLY REALLY rich.

Really? I figured he was just the face guy for a wealthy hunter that wished to avoid the spotlight.

Of course, family money would do it too.

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Originally posted by Duckear:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
His father is rich. REALLY REALLY REALLY rich.

Really? I figured he was just the face guy for a wealthy hunter that wished to avoid the spotlight.

Of course, family money would do it too.

Assuming the permit is transferable, I would not be at all surprised if this hunt is re-sold or if the bidding were done on behalf of a guy who, as you said, wanted to avoid taking the heat. Of course, any import permit approved by USFWS will become public knowledge pretty quickly. One way to avoid that, if you are that guy, would be to simply not import the Rhino to the US but rather ship it to another home you have in Europe or elsewhere. I imagine most who can spend $350K on a hunt have at least one home abroad where they can house more "controversial" species as necessary.

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Originally posted by tendrams:

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Originally posted by Duckear:

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Originally posted by larryshores:
His father is rich. REALLY REALLY REALLY rich.

Really? I figured he was just the face guy for a wealthy hunter that wished to avoid the spotlight.

Of course, family money would do it too.

Assuming the permit is transferable, I would not be at all surprised if this hunt is re-sold or if the bidding were done on behalf of a guy who, as you said, wanted to avoid taking the heat. Of course, any import permit approved by USFWS will become public knowledge pretty quickly. One way to avoid that, if you are that guy, would be to simply not import the Rhino to the US but rather ship it to another home you have in Europe or elsewhere. I imagine most who can spend $350K on a hunt have at least one home abroad where they can house more "controversial" species as necessary.

The hunt won't be re-sold, even if it could be! Corey and his father are great friends of mine, we've all hunted together many times. They did a good thing for conservation and the rhino. Regardless of their financial means, they spent a lot of money - and I am glad to see it will be put to good use.

Folks - there will be an interview with Corey on (I believe it is) CBS morning show, tomorrow - if anyone wants to check it out. I was at the taping and I can say Corey did a stand-up job!!! very strong conservation message ... and FACTS. Not that the anti's are generally interested in facts but the general public are. He sure has some balls to take this message to the media face-to-face .... hopefully CBS doesn't butcher it.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
It looks like the antis have done it again.

I bet all the media hysteria has dampened the auction a lot.

I think this is a rather low price, much lower than I had expected.

That seems to be the case...

with CBS's history of cut and paste, i am betting they will butcher it.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
Folks - there will be an interview with Corey on (I believe it is) CBS morning show, tomorrow - if anyone wants to check it out. I was at the taping and I can say Corey did a stand-up job!!! very strong conservation message ... and FACTS. Not that the anti's are generally interested in facts but the general public are. He sure has some balls to take this message to the media face-to-face .... hopefully CBS doesn't butcher it.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
It looks like the antis have done it again.

I bet all the media hysteria has dampened the auction a lot.

I think this is a rather low price, much lower than I had expected.

That seems to be the case...

Matt - Corey called me a bit a go to tell me about the interview. I had to laugh at his response to some of the criticism, it was rather funny!