I believe most people concider shooting an animal at a water hole unethical. With that in mind. How do you feel about floating down a river, and shooting game on tha bank that has come down to drink?

If it's legal, I have no problem with it.

It may not be something I would do, but it depends on the situation (culling, nuisance animals, etc.).

George

Or,

"Dear Somali Pirates...



BANG, your dead!

Regards,
US NAVY SEALS"

Taking a skilled shot from a floating boat takes no small amount of skill ;-)

Up here hunting in a watercraft of some kind is both common and traditional. I wouldn't think twice about doing it down there.

So is shooting ducks from a camouflaged boat unethical?



Guys, this crap just goes round and round and never comes to any logical conclusion. When are we going to acknowledge that different parts of the hunting world do things differently and just because it is different from your way, doesn't make it unethical.

I have no problem shooting deer around a feeder as that is the way we do it in Texas. My friend from the MidWest hunts deer by running them with dogs. I have NO interest in that and he has NO interest in my way. SO WHAT? Well, we've never hunted deer together, that's what, but we sure enjoy chasing Elk around the mountains of Southern Colorado. But our other buddy won't go with us because the Elk hunt takes place on Public land and he thinks it's unethical to position yourself to let other hunters spook the game to you as he states that hunting is about learning the animal's habits and invading their world on their terms, not an uncontrolled drive. YGBSM

So now we are contemplating whether or not it is OK to shoot a Moose from a boat floating down the river, but not a Pronghorn Antelope with a bow over a waterhole on the wide open plains, or a duck from a duck boat, or a pig from a helicopter, etc. etc.

It's legal to bait by putting out corn in TX but not in the MidWest so instead they cut the cornfield just prior to the deer season which results in corn on the ground just the same. Or they plant a "food plot" with tasty veggies that the deer enjoy; but that's not bait! Really? But that MidWest guy will tell you that the TX way is unethical! And not to mention that both places are shooting deer from tree stands! Hell, we all know the only way to shoot a deer is from the ground. It's the ONLY way!

A couple of years ago while hunting in SA, 2 fellows from Alabama came into camp. Both really nice guys. But they were struggling with ethical questions concerning driving the ranches looking for animals to stalk. To them, it was "Road Hunting" and their "Daddy always told us that road hunting was poaching". It was affecting them to the point that they were miserable. When asked how they would rather hunt, they said they wanted to sit over a feed area or waterhole!

Here's my 2 cents and then everyone can flame away at me. I care if a method is LEGAL. I don't break LAWS. Beyond that, ethics are so subjective and different from place to place depending on regional traditions that I just don't see how one who hunts all over the world instead of one or two confined regions can have a set of hard and fast rules. To me, one of the things I enjoy about traveling to and hunting in exotic places instead of just the back 40 deer patch is experiencing other cultures and ways of doing things. I might hunt in a way that some don't like and vice versa. I don't want anyone to tell me my way is not right if I'm not breaking the law. I will extend the same curtesy to others. If you find yourself doing something that doesn't sit right with you, STOP! Even if it's Legal! But realize that same method may be fine with others so don't belittle them unless laws are being violated.

Well said Mr. Williams!

I hunted bushbuck from a 14 foot Avon rubber boat on the Zambezi. Between dodging hippos and the curious croc it was very sporting not to mention the movement of the boat. It was great fun and I would love to do it again!

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Up here hunting in a watercraft of some kind is both common and traditional. I wouldn't think twice about doing it down there.

Scott, I lived in Dillingham as well and I know it's done but you might want to read page 18 of your regs.

Mr. Williams is right on. Add other considerations like rifle type (semi-autos are perfectly fine in some places, frowned on in some and even illegal in others), smooth bore (how many in the magazine?)or rifled, camouflage, scope types, minimum calibers versus minimum muzzle energy, legal shooting hours, lead versus no lead bullets or shot, orange vests or not, whether your gun was acquired through a "Fast and Furious" vendor or not and the list goes on and on. Some are about "ethics", some about safety, some about tradition, some about conservation, some are about money, almost all involve politics, and for every two hunters there are at least three points of view. Stay legal, set your own ethics, try to have fun.

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Well said Mr. Williams!

Well if you don't do it MY way your are WRONG! Of course I do it any way it is legall, so there you go.

I'd regard shooting from a boat same as from a truck. I have no problem with using it to get to an area or as a vehicle to spot game from. I also have no problem using either one as a type of blind, stand or machon. When I say using it as a stand, I mean getting the truck to a place +/- camofloegeing, and waiting for game to appear; not spotting game and then shooting from the back or deck.

Very well put yet again Todd. I wish I had written that. Thanks, David

how about shooting from a bicycle? Or a pogo stick? Or a ladder like in the old days?

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by Scott King:
Up here hunting in a watercraft of some kind is both common and traditional. I wouldn't think twice about doing it down there.

Scott, I lived in Dillingham as well and I know it's done but you might want to read page 18 of your regs.

As I very intentionally broad brushed with the term watercraft which would include canoes, rafts, kyaks and the USS Enterprise, I see little wrong with what I said. I have and do continue to use jet boats, canoes and powered zodiacs for legal hunting.

You might climb down from your high horse just half a step or so.

Y’all are all wrong! The only way to do it right is to drive them in a 10 by 10 foot lighted pin at night and shoot them with a Gattling gun from the deck on top of a motorhome!

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Well said Todd, if any of you guys want a sititunga you will certainly shoot it from a high perch on a pontoon boat or from a high tree, or a Mokoro unless you like swimming with Crocs and Hippos! Folks it is certainly not a sure thing shooting from a rocking boat, but if you don’t want to do that then I say, DON’T DO IT! But leave everyone else alone!
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Originally posted by venda axe:
I believe most people concider shooting an animal at a water hole unethical. With that in mind. How do you feel about floating down a river, and shooting game on tha bank that has come down to drink?

I don't know where you came up with that BS, but from where I'm from, no problem shooting a critter at a waterhole.

I really get tired of these "ethical" threads, and the "holier than thou" that post them. If ya don't want to hunt a certain way, so be it. But don't put this BS in a post on the net...sheesh!


Mad Dog

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Originally posted by Scott King:

You might climb down from your high horse just half a step or so.

I don't ride horses nor do I understand your problem with my post. I have known people who have herded Caribou in the middle of the Nushagak with a skiff to the side with a cut bank so they could shoot them easier while someone else held the skiff in the current with the kicker. Legal?

I did not imply you did this. It is considered legal to shoot from your skiff once the motor is cut off and all forward progress from the motor stops.

Personally I would prefer a more stable platform than a moving boat but to all their own.

Anything inaccurate in my post?

They shoot ducks from boats, right?

The most challenging shooting I ever did was attempting to shoot seals on the ocean from a small boat. Emphasis on attempting. Of course, that was many years ago, when it was legal.

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Originally posted by venda axe:
I believe most people concider shooting an animal at a water hole unethical. With that in mind. How do you feel about floating down a river, and shooting game on tha bank that has come down to drink?

Are you suggesting one should hunt game, from a water "vehicle"?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
So is shooting ducks from a camouflaged boat unethical?



Guys, this crap just goes round and round and never comes to any logical conclusion. When are we going to acknowledge that different parts of the hunting world do things differently and just because it is different from your way, doesn't make it unethical......

....Here's my 2 cents and then everyone can flame away at me. I care if a method is LEGAL. I don't break LAWS. Beyond that, ethics are so subjective and different from place to place depending on regional traditions that I just don't see how one who hunts all over the world instead of one or two confined regions can have a set of hard and fast rules. To me, one of the things I enjoy about traveling to and hunting in exotic places instead of just the back 40 deer patch is experiencing other cultures and ways of doing things. I might hunt in a way that some don't like and vice versa. I don't want anyone to tell me my way is not right if I'm not breaking the law. I will extend the same curtesy to others. If you find yourself doing something that doesn't sit right with you, STOP! Even if it's Legal! But realize that same method may be fine with others so don't belittle them unless laws are being violated.

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Originally posted by Wink:
Mr. Williams is right on. Add other considerations like rifle type (semi-autos are perfectly fine in some places, frowned on in some and even illegal in others), smooth bore (how many in the magazine?)or rifled, camouflage, scope types, minimum calibers versus minimum muzzle energy, legal shooting hours, lead versus no lead bullets or shot, orange vests or not, whether your gun was acquired through a "Fast and Furious" vendor or not and the list goes on and on. Some are about "ethics", some about safety, some about tradition, some about conservation, some are about money, almost all involve politics, and for every two hunters there are at least three points of view. Stay legal, set your own ethics, try to have fun.

Since when do banks come down to drink?

Bill Quimby

U-boat+Mauser98+PolarBear = successful hunt...

http://boyaq.tumblr.com/page/82

"this is an ugruk, or a bearded seal. at home we call them a maklak. after we shoot em, we gut em, tie em up, and put them back in the water. why? its so they get cooled off. ice water gets pretty cold. i call this pic ‘the praying monster.’ it was a monster ugruk, as in big. notice the bubbles coming out of the bullet hole by its left eye. i think the title of this pic fits—hunting, for me, has a spiritual connection."




"ugruk, or bearded seal. taken with two shots from the .22-250! i have this bad ass cz 550 varmint that i just bought for spring time seal hunting. you can’t beat a single set trigger. june 20th, 2010 in the kotzebue sound."

"this past fall, ess and i went caribou hunting up the kobuk river. we spent the night in the boat above noorvik. the next day, as we were glassing the country for ‘bou, we spotted a herd swimming across the river. we ran back to the boat and made our way to the swimmers. i shot 4 within 20 seconds and the 5th ran up into the grass right next to the trees. now this is where it gets interesting. ess told me that they’re long gone and not to worry about them. i took one look at where the ‘bou were and ran back and got my .243 out of the case. i ran to the back of the boat, aimed, and shot once. it was very quick. minutes later when i went to go look for it, its right eye was popped out of its socket. i hit it an inch under its eyeball. no exit wound. i love telling that story. five caribou in one day is way too much work for two people. never again will i shoot five in one day. the limit for caribou in unit 23 is five per day. isn’t that crazy? we had a good day, ess and i."

"this picture was taken nanoseconds before i pulled the trigger. i’d have to say this is my best hunting photo. ever. taken october 4th, 2008. beautiful picture."




"this is a close up of the walrus (asveq) i shot last month. you can see that i shot it two inches behind the right ear. ess and i were out seal hunting on a saturday and it will be a day i will never forget. we weren’t expecting to run into a walrus.

the female, approximately 4 years old, was sitting facing away from us. as we were inching closer to the asveq, i was getting nervous. its such a big animal and my gun was so small. as soon as she lifted and turned her head, i squeezed the trigger. one shot is all it took to put her down. shot placement is everything. i knew she was down for good when i saw the way her head fell back down.

since it was my first, the whole walrus was given to people in the community. it was great to see so many people overjoyed to get walrus. it was a good day."

"i love seal hunting! spring time seal sit on top of the ice. you want to avoid the males—they stink. apparently, the males go into rut and stink. how do you know they’re males? they have a black face. you can get as close as 200 yards until the seal (preferrably female) perk up from sunning themselves and become weary of you. this type of hunting requires a steady aim and a dead-accurate rifle (no pun intended). you also need a pair of binoculars to check the sex of the seal. i have pentax 10x42s. seal hunting is awesome."
"this is my sno-go with a bed sheet on it, ‘seal-ready.’ when seal are sitting on top of the ice, you have to conceal yourself somehow. in this case, concealment is in the form of a bed sheet-clad sno-go."

Trax, thinking about a response to your posts, I notice that you have edited the pictures and story extensively since they first appeared. I hope you will not further edit them now to the extent that my response becomes out of context.

The narrative and depictions here are at once shocking, even disgusting! But then one must put it in context. There is a link under the first picture of the blood trail to the boat. Clicking there takes you to this guys blog. It then become evident that he is a Native American Eskimo telling the story of subsistence hunting. It is certainly different from the conservation based sport hunting that the majority on this forum practice.

Taken in that context, it is exactly what I was talking about in my original post. Seal hunting is legal on a subsistence basis for Native Americans. Some of these pictures depict their traditional ways of the hunt. As different as this type of hunting is, compared to sport hunting, what more pure example of the hunt could you think of. This is the primordial example. Hunting for the sake of providing food and material for the community necessary to survive in a primitive environment.

With that being said, I stand by my original statements of tolerance for different methods of hunting by different regional influences.

Also with that said however, I'm not really sure what you are going for here with some of the pictures. Possibly testing the conviction of statements made and agreed to on this thread? I get it. But apart from that, I do believe that some of the depictions are in poor taste. That statement is not intended to belittle the methods or ideology of Native American traditions but there are some conventions on tasteful pictorial expression as well as narrative.

Todd,
The only thing I've done is add extra photos and some extra quotes from the guy.
I can assure you ,I have not deleted anything I originally posted regarding him.

Understood. I just don't want to end up saying something that later is out of context.