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Boy, am I glad I'm not going there this season. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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On Sunday news, I was really pleased to hear that Condi Rice, Secy of State stated at a news conference, I recall speaking from China: "the situation Zimbabwe is deplorable, now out of hand and it is time for the International Union to step in to resolve this situation for the people of Zimbabwe!!" In direct conversation and e-mail form two PH's in Zim, hunts are going fine. I guess the dicey part is simply getting there and through Harare if you have to...maybe it is best to fly into JNB and meet your PH in another city, ie Bulawayo, etc??... 470EDDY | |||
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Campbell/Freeth Family Communique Mercifully, at midnight, Mike and Angela Campbell and Ben Freeth were released at a house of a black lady in Kadoma. All three have been severely beaten. Mike has serious concussion and a broken collar bone and fingers. Angela has a broken arm, in two places. Ben has a badly swollen and totally closed eye and feet severely beaten. Motivation for this brutal attack is the fact that Mike and Ben are the architects and at the forefront of the SADC Tribunal litigation. Fourteen farmers in the Kadoma/Chegutu farming community spear-headed the joinder applications with the Campbell Mount Carmel case in SADC. A total of seventy-seven farmers country-wide should at this point in time be enjoying total SADC interim ruling protection. Sadly this is obviously, in the case of Kadoma/Chegutu, not the case and the area is patently being targeted as a direct result of this important and benchmark International Litigation. The purpose for the brutal attack and vicious beating carried out at Pixton Mine (youth militia torture camp) was the forced compliance, under extreme duress, with the signing of a formal withdrawal of the Campbell Case from the SADC Tribunal. The Campbells and Freeth were taken by "war vet" Gilbert Moyo and approximately twenty thugs to the mine. They were viciously beaten until they complied with the signing of a withdrawal of the case. The case is due to be heard in Windhoek from 16th July onwards The Campbell and Ben Freeth are safe undergoing medical attention. | |||
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BBC news here are just reporting that Italy has recalled their Ambassador to Zimbabwe in protest at the election result etc and also that the US are saying that whilst they want the SADC or UN to take steps to rectify the unrest in the region, if they fail to do so, the US may take independent steps to do so............ | |||
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Here's hoping... Just back in town to find three more cancelations. | |||
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Aishhhhh!!!! | |||
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Guys The reason I post the information I have, is to make people aware of the situation and to try and help do something to effect a change. The last thing I want to see is hunters cancelling hunts with good people. John | |||
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You mean they won't?????? | |||
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John, I appreciate your posts, but while you said you don't want anyone cancelling hunts, I don't think it is wise to be travelling to Zim. now. The situation could blow sky high at any minute, and one wouldn't want to be caught in the middle of that. Let everyone make up their own mind, but for me, Zimbabwe is off the table. Not worth the risks, IMHO. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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I am scheduled to hunt Zim the first of Sept and have heard nothing that would remotely make me consider cancelling my hunt. | |||
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I rarely post anything regarding Zim, but I thought this article was very interesting. Mugabe/Zim article | |||
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Somebody just needs to find oil in Zimbabwe, and we'll have a couple hundred thousand U.S. troops in there to babysit it... "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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If I'm not back on here posting by July 27th you all will know I made the wrong decision. As stated earlier, I haven't seen anything to make me bail out. If I wait for everything to get perfect in Africa, I'll spend the rest of my life watching TV and waiting for the green light. There's some bad hombres in Zim but there's also a bunch of good, black and white, so I guess I'll just go. | |||
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This story has to be the most over the top I've seen in a while.
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I am with you, although I would not take my wife and kids there at the moment. | |||
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"Welcome to the world of Emmerson Mnangagwa, General Constantine Chiwenga, Augustine Chihuri, Paradzai Zimondi, Perence Shiri and Gideon Gono. This junta, the Joint Operations Command (JOC), controls Zimbabwe." from: http://www.hararetribune.com/Articles08/Articles07/Articles1-2/news013.php | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mouse93: ........ "Welcome to the world of Emmerson Mnangagwa, General Constantine Chiwenga, Augustine Chihuri, Paradzai Zimondi, Perence Shiri and Gideon Gono. This junta, the Joint Operations Command (JOC), controls Zimbabwe." /[QUOTE] I can not help but to wonder exactly how many "Rhodesia Defence Force soldiers', 'farmers', 'innocent childern' and others these members of the JOC have collectively personally killed? Now they are running a counbtry! Sh%$t! The times we live in! Is there anything a guy like me can DO, not just talk about, but actually do, to help in a non-charity and humanitarian manner the likes of Ganyana and others in the general hunting inustry who are suffering in that country? In good hunting. Andrew McLaren | |||
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Andrew- I thank you for your thoughts - not to mention the gifts you have sent my family already. In many areas it is sureally quiet- I belive that if there is to be widespread trouble it will occur during the olympics when the worlds eyes are focused elsewhere - but in all probability there will not be much trouble. Trouble has been intense locally. Tim Wegner from Blade tech is going to wake up tomorrow to find his lion hunt postponed. The farm manager collected 40 bullet holes in his truck whilst trying to interviene in the Campbell saga, and his house was set alight today. I must stress that this sort of trouble is localised, If I were taking tim to the zambezi valley or Matetsi- I would say come- and be happ to leave my family behind in Harare. Be in contact with your PH! the situation never changes as fast as people in the first world think and any local with his ear to the ground gets wind of impending probems well in advance - The campbels knew it was coming and simply made a stand for their principals. | |||
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Hmmmmmmmmm! http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/20/636193 OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!! | |||
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standing by - looking forward to see you guys soon - take care | |||
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Couldn't a contingent of US Marines secretly escort "GOD" in there in a blaze of glory? | |||
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just speculating but roughly how much would it cost to have god or a independant sniper hit mugabe ? looks like that would solve part of the problem. cheers peter | |||
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Not to get too philosophical or political on Mugabe, but to intervene to remove him from office would likely create more chaos than what is going on now. Looking over history back to about 1700 AD, no true change occurs in a country unless the people within that country cause the change to happen. WE (North Americans and Europeans) can step in, fight, force people from power and set up a temporary government, but in the end, the people themselves have to "own" it and make the government that works for their culture. Granted, WWII was fought over territory and invasions and the changes within Japan, Italy and Germany were forced on them, but the Allies did not go there until directly attacked. In the case of Zim (or Iraq or Afgahnistan) change must come from within, not from the outside or it will not create stability. In the case of some people groups, they have no desire for stability and hence chaos reins. I find it interesting that government in Italy can change yearly through votes of no confidence, but the country functions pretty well. In the case of Zim, the government doesn't change, but chaos reins. So, I am utterly opposed to any force in that country in the name of "change". Let the Zim citizens sort it out. WHen enough of them get tired of Mugabe, he will be gone. | |||
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The change was supposed to come from within when the majority of the people voted for the opposition. They asked for change and it was not allowed. How else can change come from within, from the people, if they are oppressed? It seems that the bulk of the arms and training goes to the government goonies. I doubt if the common man has an arsenal at his disposal. And if hand-to-hand combat were to be effective against police and troops, then the people would certainly have to coordinate their efforts. However, any attempts for them to come together even for something as simple as a political rally is severely punished. Divide and conquer, you know. I am a fan of quick, decisive, tactical procedures in the name of delivering the will of the people as expressed in the March election. But that’s just me. | |||
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If not I am sure some of our finest could arrange for Mr Mugabe to meet God and resolve this. | |||
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just got a e-mail saying that in fact all the millions that is flowing into Obama's coffers via the internet is coming in blind and they have traced it to Iran,China and some or our other friends over there. It was from a NY times writer NRA LIFE MEMBER DU DIAMOND SPONSOR IN PERPETUITY DALLAS SAFARI CLUB LIFE MEMBER SCI FOUNDATION MEMBER | |||
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How can ANYONE refer to the charade that recently occurred in Zim as elections? Holy hanging chad, Batman! That was nothing but outright thievery. The election held the first time. Does anyone recall seeing the "official" results? I don't. Mugabe is a thug, a murderer, a thief, and a liar...maybe he would be more suited to politics in the US. Good hunting, Andy ----------------------------- Thomas Jefferson: “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” | |||
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I believe that "Bob" is over eighty years of age and that is a long life in Africa, even for the wealthy, but his demise either by action or nature will not change much. You can bet there are a several levels of General Line Officers waiting to continue the practices they have enforced for so many years and yes, they have children, family, friends, etc. behind them. There would need to be a complete purge of the clan to have any real change in policies, practices, etc. Military force by the UN is unlikely and if it did occur it would be a Royal Cluster F---K without U.S A help, and that is not going to happen, so unfortunately a complete boycott of all supplies would be required to start the purge. I believe that has already started and in the next few months the poor citizens of Zimbabwe will only suffer that much more I fear. Go back some three decades ago and see what happened in Uganda with Amin. It was reported that he and his crew struck out for Arabia. Should mention that several train car loads of loot/gold, gems, etc. went with him not to mention several Generals and an adequate supply of dusky maidens. (One has to maintain the lifestyle one is accustomed to you know.) I would doubt that Zimbabwe has enough capital left to tempt the ol' boy to leave. It would not come as a shock that President Bush and others have a scheme up their sleeves to take some action and the next 30-45 days will be busy ones I would venture. I am sure any hunter would want to hunt there, but until the "change" is made I would not advise anyone spending a one dollar in the country. Take it as fact, "Bob" will get his cut one way or the other. | |||
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It seems that there is some pretty solid evidence that the military is more in control than Mugabe. From today's Washington Post.
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Everyone I have talked to over there believes that the military leaders are calling the shots at this point and that Mugabe was prepared (now, not so sure) to step down after the initial election. The military leaders were concerned that while Mugabe could probably be assured of safe passage and had his wealth well stashed away, not so clear (actually, it was very clear) what would happen to the military leaders. The decent folks in Zim deserve so much better. Mike | |||
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Being from Zim, it's good to have a reliable source of info. As a fellow hunter from the save valley area I thought this may be interesting to all you gents that want to see how the elections went for the police officers. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/04/zimbabwe1 all the best stj | |||
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Well Africa is going to be Africa isn't it. What a mess. The question, which I guess not one knows the answer to, is sport hunting in Zim over for us????? I would really like to go there again. E If you own a gun and you are not a member of the NRA and other pro 2nd amendment organizations then YOU are part of the problem. | |||
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As long as there is a will, there is a way. stj | |||
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Probably over, at least for US citizens, in the near future. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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Tembo, you might be right but I'm not ready to join the "Doom and Gloom Club" yet. I've said it before, Africa is Africa and if you wait for everything to get right, you will never set foot on the continent. | |||
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Where is Mike Hoare when we need him? Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Seven, I hope you are right, but it looks worse there by the week. IF the US spearheads any further sanctions, I think Zim. will be off the table. Damn shame too, as I really want to go back to Humani in the future. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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Now, that's the God's honest truth. He'd tear that place apart in short order. Anybody know if that shipload of Chinese weapons ever made it in? | |||
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And the good news keeps on coming from Zimbabwe. Way to go Bob, you have screwed up a once prosperous country. ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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