The Chinese are proving to be a scourge on this planet.....

30,000 Pangolins poached for traditional medicine somehow or other these people need to leave the stone age....

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http://honesttopaws.com/smuggled-pangolin-scales/

The Yellow Plague...

Prince Philip, my hero, said "if it walks, swims, flies or crawls, the Chinese will eat it"

Have you seen the Recent report of the woman in India that fought off a Tiger with a stick because it was after her tethered goat?

There are several places on Earth where the population is somewhat less evolved than other places.

Saeed my friend....I presume, based on your statement above, that you will have no objection to a few comments on stereotypical / racist attributes and practices of Arabs? I suspect you know the common ones as well as I however I can refresh your memory if necessary.

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Originally posted by stubbleduck47:
Saeed my friend....I presume, based on your statement above, that you will have no objection to a few comments on stereotypical / racist attributes and practices of Arabs? I suspect you know the common ones as well as I however I can refresh your memory if necessary.

Have at it to your hearts content.

Political correctness does not exists on AR


But, what Prince PHILIP said above certainly rings true when describing the Chinks!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Have at it to your hearts content.

Political correctness does not exists on AR


But, what Prince PHILIP said above certainly rings true when describing the Chinks!

God bless you Saeed, you are a breath of fresh air.

Someone needs to start a rumor in Beijing that poacher testicles are a great delicacy and put lead in your pencil. Problem solved.

Somewhere in some lab somebody has a virus that makes your dick rot off. It should be injected into rhino horn and slipped into the black market...

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Originally posted by Jefffive:
Somewhere in some lab somebody has a virus that makes your dick rot off. It should be injected into rhino horn and slipped into the black market...

To be honest, I'm a) not sure it would matter to them, b) surprised it hasn't been tried.

The Chinese will be the end of Africa as we know it unless we do something to put a stop to it.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
The Chinese will be the end of Africa as we know it unless we do something to put a stop to it.

Amen to that!

I do believe we are in the twilight years of African hunting if something isn't done to turn things around. Not right away, but I'm only 59 and believe I'll live to see the end if things continue like they are.

So sad and tragic.

Who is going to challenge China on this?

Frigging Chinks will eat anything that breathes or moves, all in the guise of medicine or aphrodisiac!

I always thought the Makonde tribe from Mozambique were indifferent to what they ate but the Chinese beat them hands down.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
The Chinese will be the end of Africa as we know it unless we do something to put a stop to it.

I would add,...the Africans and Chinese will be the end of Africa as we know it.

The population growth rates in Africa are scary. There will be less habitat for wildlife and more poaching. I'm afraid the problem is irreversible.

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Originally posted by Texas Blue Devil:

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Originally posted by lavaca:
The Chinese will be the end of Africa as we know it unless we do something to put a stop to it.

I would add,...the Africans and Chinese will be the end of Africa as we know it.

The population growth rates in Africa are scary. There will be less habitat for wildlife and more poaching. I'm afraid the problem is irreversible.

Add to that animal rights activists and social media justice politics and the remaining habbitat will disappear at an astounding rate. First world ignorance fuels third world dysfunction.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
The Chinese will be the end of Africa as we know it unless we do something to put a stop to it.

No, the Africans will be the end of Africa, totally devoted to self destruction, without any long term thought to consequences.

Grizz

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by stubbleduck47:
Saeed my friend....I presume, based on your statement above, that you will have no objection to a few comments on stereotypical / racist attributes and practices of Arabs? I suspect you know the common ones as well as I however I can refresh your memory if necessary.

Have at it to your hearts content.

Political correctness does not exists on AR


But, what Prince PHILIP said above certainly rings true when describing the Chinks!

Good lord Saeed....you never cease to amaze!

I know that this isn't the political forum, but if you really want to understand the problems posed by China in Africa and elsewhere in the world, you need to read the latest monthly Imprimis (Hillsdale College) article by David P. Goldman entitled: "How To Meet the Strategic Challenge Posed By China".

Got the following from a friend.

“I work with a Chinese guy called Kim. At a family function, we were having a drink.

I asked him “Kim, do you ever get fed up of people saying that all Chinese look the same?
He replied : Kim is at the bar getting drinks. I am his wife”

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Got the following from a friend.

“I work with a Chinese guy called Kim. At a family function, we were having a drink.

I asked him “Kim, do you ever get fed up of people saying that all Chinese look the same?
He replied : Kim is at the bar getting drinks. I am his wife”

http://allafrica.com/stories/201804110273.html


Zimbabwe: Pangolin Lands Trio in Jail

By Martha Leboho


A Masvingo teacher and his two accomplices have been jailed for an effective nine years each after they were found in possession of a pangolin, which they tried to sell for $5 000.

Brighton Ngwenyama, who teaches at Mushandike High School, Tatenda Mhango and Kudzai Shava, both of Mushandike resettlement area, were jailed by Masvingo magistrate Mr Peter Madhibha after they were convicted of possessing a protected animal.

Mr Madhibha ruled that a mandatory sentence was appropriate for the trio on the basis that they deliberatively committed an offence by trying to sell the pangolin.

In mitigation, through their lawyer Ms Yolanda Chandata of Muzenda and Partners, the trio pleaded for leniency arguing that their offence did not cause any proven harm to Zimbabwe's economy.

They also argued that there was no prejudice to the State as the pangolin was recovered alive.

Mr Madhibha quashed an attempt by the defence to compel the State to produce the pangolin in court as an exhibit.

In his ruling, Mr Madhibha said it was not a requirement to always produce an exhibit in court, citing murder trials where the victims' corpses were not brought to court.



Court proceeding were temporarily disrupted soon after sentence was pronounced when one of the convicts' wives wailed uncontrollably.

Agreed facts are that on April 11, 2016, police in Masvingo received a tip-off that the trio was selling a pangolin and they proceeded to Bhuka Business Centre near Mushandike, about 20km along the Masvingo-Beitbridge Road.

On arrival, they phoned the convicts posing as prospective buyers.

Ngwenyama and his accomplices brought the pangolin to the detectives and told them they were selling it for $5 000.

The detectives then ordered them to put the pangolin in the boot of their car while they processed payment.

Other detectives who were watching from a distance then pounced on the convicts and identified themselves.

Shava tried to flee, but was shot in the leg and they were all arrested.

Mr Fidelis Nyamukondiwa appeared for the State.

$5,000.00 for a Pangolin!

Folks most of these people dont see $5000.00 for ten years work!

How the hell are we gonna combat that?????


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Saeed Sir, I was drinking coffee when I began to read this thread, I feel my computer may never be the same again after it's shower of said drink. This little insight into your sense of humour and your sensibilities is most refreshing. Would you consider running for world president?
JTEX, education is what differentiates us from the animals. Education of the purveyors of poached goods and the purchasers of these goods would make literally 'a world of difference'. Yes it would be a massive undertaking at international and national scale but tackling the cause of poaching rather than the proceeds would have a far more profound effect, I feel. If African children were taught the value of their local fauna to whole communities and it's worth both to the environment and as a draw to legitimate 'consumers' from an early age it could change the mindset of a generation. If the future purchasers were to be brought up thinking that the practise of using bits of badly processed, stored and transported dead things for medicine was a barbaric, archaic practise then demand would cease within a generation.
A very simplistic potential solution but surely it would be a start to combating it? Young people are malleable and the future of both hunting and its twin conservation. With a healthy dose of forward thinking perhaps we could secure both.

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Originally posted by Angus Millar:
Saeed Sir, I was drinking coffee when I began to read this thread, I feel my computer may never be the same again after it's shower of said drink. This little insight into your sense of humour and your sensibilities is most refreshing. Would you consider running for world president?
JTEX, education is what differentiates us from the animals. Education of the purveyors of poached goods and the purchasers of these goods would make literally 'a world of difference'. Yes it would be a massive undertaking at international and national scale but tackling the cause of poaching rather than the proceeds would have a far more profound effect, I feel. If African children were taught the value of their local fauna to whole communities and it's worth both to the environment and as a draw to legitimate 'consumers' from an early age it could change the mindset of a generation. If the future purchasers were to be brought up thinking that the practise of using bits of badly processed, stored and transported dead things for medicine was a barbaric, archaic practise then demand would cease within a generation.
A very simplistic potential solution but surely it would be a start to combating it? Young people are malleable and the future of both hunting and its twin conservation. With a healthy dose of forward thinking perhaps we could secure both.

I'm guessing you have never been to Africa??? or China???

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Originally posted by Angus Millar:
Saeed Sir, I was drinking coffee when I began to read this thread, I feel my computer may never be the same again after it's shower of said drink. This little insight into your sense of humour and your sensibilities is most refreshing. Would you consider running for world president?
JTEX, education is what differentiates us from the animals. Education of the purveyors of poached goods and the purchasers of these goods would make literally 'a world of difference'. Yes it would be a massive undertaking at international and national scale but tackling the cause of poaching rather than the proceeds would have a far more profound effect, I feel. If African children were taught the value of their local fauna to whole communities and it's worth both to the environment and as a draw to legitimate 'consumers' from an early age it could change the mindset of a generation. If the future purchasers were to be brought up thinking that the practise of using bits of badly processed, stored and transported dead things for medicine was a barbaric, archaic practise then demand would cease within a generation.
A very simplistic potential solution but surely it would be a start to combating it? Young people are malleable and the future of both hunting and its twin conservation. With a healthy dose of forward thinking perhaps we could secure both.

Sounds great Angus, it really does. But it's,not in any way practical.

These people "may" make three or four dollars a day and they can sell a pangolin for $5,000.00!

They live in a hut, they walk miles for water, subsistence farmers and $5,000.00 for an armored rodent?

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No, I've never been to Africa or China, but I was brought up in a street locally known as 'Drug Alley' in Glasgow. I went to a school where learning to read and writing was considered an achievement, yet somehow with a determined grandmother and a few teachers who aspired to go beyond that which was expected of them I somehow managed to emerge educated to a certain extent and with a desire to learn more. I'm not rich or even wealthy but I enjoy a life with my wife that makes us happy that many of my peers could only have dreamed of. So, I believe with education great things can be achieved if you have the right teachers.
If there is one thing that I find remarkable about Africa it is the desire of the children to become educated even if only as means to rise from the squalor. China wants nothing more than to become westernised. In products, diet and to a certain extent thinking after years of oppressive communism. Both countries are ripe for a mind set change.
I'm not debating any of the points made above, they are true but I do dare to dream that some inspired, aspirational people could achieve great things given the opportunity.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201804160425.html


Cameroon: Govt Investigates Illegal Ivory, Pangolin Scales Bound for China

By Moki Edwin Kindzeka


Law enforcement officials in Cameroon say investigations continue following a large discovery of illegal wildlife products hidden in shipping containers bound for China.

At least 1,000 kilograms of pangolin scales and several hundred elephant tusks were found April 6, in containers of cocoa that were to be transported to China from the Douala international airport.

Officials have not yet determined the country of origin for the contraband. Poaching of elephants and pangolins remains a problem in Cameroon; however, the country has also served as a regional hub for smugglers.

Didier Ngono, an official from the wildlife department, told VOA that three Chinese nationals have been arrested and will help police with their investigation.



Ngono says that under the law, the penalties for smuggling include fines ranging from $6,000 to $20,000 and prison sentences of between one and three years.

Cameroon has intercepted and destroyed at least two other large shipments of pangolin scales bound for Asian countries in the past two years.

Eric Kaba Tah, an official with The Last Great Ape, a nongovernmental organization that helps Cameroon enforce wildlife laws, says enforcement mechanisms remain weak.

"In 2016, two Chinese traffickers were arrested with five tons of pangolin scales that were about to be illegally exported from the country to China," Tah said. "They were given three months' imprisonment from … the one-year minimum imprisonment they were supposed to get, and this is why we are very dissatisfied. They should be given punishment that is commensurate to their crimes."

Both pangolins and elephants are considered critically endangered. International trade in pangolin and ivory is banned, yet consumer demand remains high in Asian countries, fueling the illegal market. Pangolin meat is considered a delicacy and the scales are used in traditional medicine.

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Originally posted by Angus Millar:
No, I've never been to Africa or China, but I was brought up in a street locally known as 'Drug Alley' in Glasgow. I went to a school where learning to read and writing was considered an achievement, yet somehow with a determined grandmother and a few teachers who aspired to go beyond that which was expected of them I somehow managed to emerge educated to a certain extent and with a desire to learn more. I'm not rich or even wealthy but I enjoy a life with my wife that makes us happy that many of my peers could only have dreamed of. So, I believe with education great things can be achieved if you have the right teachers.
If there is one thing that I find remarkable about Africa it is the desire of the children to become educated even if only as means to rise from the squalor. China wants nothing more than to become westernised. In products, diet and to a certain extent thinking after years of oppressive communism. Both countries are ripe for a mind set change.
I'm not debating any of the points made above, they are true but I do dare to dream that some inspired, aspirational people could achieve great things given the opportunity.

Angus, you are to be commended for your idealism, but chastised for your naïveté.

You and I and other individual human beings can be well educated in 16-20 years or so.

But it takes much, much longer for backwards, not to say primitive, cultures governed by corrupt and dictatorial political systems - such as China and many nations in Africa - to achieve sophistication and enlightenment.

By then, without severe intervention by Western countries, the rapacious Chinese and primitive peoples and corrupt governments of Africa will turn her teeming game fields into wastelands.

The Chinese influence in Africa is a pestilence of Biblical proportions.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by Angus Millar:
No, I've never been to Africa or China, but I was brought up in a street locally known as 'Drug Alley' in Glasgow. I went to a school where learning to read and writing was considered an achievement, yet somehow with a determined grandmother and a few teachers who aspired to go beyond that which was expected of them I somehow managed to emerge educated to a certain extent and with a desire to learn more. I'm not rich or even wealthy but I enjoy a life with my wife that makes us happy that many of my peers could only have dreamed of. So, I believe with education great things can be achieved if you have the right teachers.
If there is one thing that I find remarkable about Africa it is the desire of the children to become educated even if only as means to rise from the squalor. China wants nothing more than to become westernised. In products, diet and to a certain extent thinking after years of oppressive communism. Both countries are ripe for a mind set change.
I'm not debating any of the points made above, they are true but I do dare to dream that some inspired, aspirational people could achieve great things given the opportunity.

Angus, you are to be commended for your idealism, but chastised for your naïveté.

You and I and other individual human beings can be well educated in 16-20 years or so.

But it takes much, much longer for backwards, not to say primitive, cultures governed by corrupt and dictatorial political systems - such as China and many nations in Africa - to achieve sophistication and enlightenment.

By then, without severe intervention by Western countries, the rapacious Chinese and primitive peoples and corrupt governments of Africa will turn her teeming game fields into wastelands.

The Chinese influence in Africa is a pestilence of Biblical proportions.

+1

http://www.xinhuanet.com/engli...9/26/c_137494593.htm



Guangzhou customs seize 7.26 tonnes of pangolin's scales

Source: Xinhua| 2018-09-26 20:57:51|Editor: Yurou

GUANGZHOU, Sept. 26 (Xinhua) -- Customs staff in the southern metropolis of Guangzhou, capital of Guangdong Province, have busted smugglers in a case involving pangolin scales.

Customs said Wednesday that 7.26 tonnes of pangolin scales had been confiscated, and four suspects apprehended.

According to local experts, the scales belong to various types of pangolins, all classified under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) and not meant for international trade.

As one pangolin has 0.4 to 6 kg of scales, 7.26 tonnes of such scales mean up to 18,000 pangolins have been killed, according to the South China Wildlife Identification Center.

"The suspects purchased the pangolin scales from Africa and tried to import them under the disguise of raw granite," said Zheng Jun, with Guangzhou Customs.

The pangolin is under second-class state protection in China. Those who catch, kill, buy or sell endangered wild animals on the protection list can face more than 10 years in prison, plus fines.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by Angus Millar:
No, I've never been to Africa or China, but I was brought up in a street locally known as 'Drug Alley' in Glasgow. I went to a school where learning to read and writing was considered an achievement, yet somehow with a determined grandmother and a few teachers who aspired to go beyond that which was expected of them I somehow managed to emerge educated to a certain extent and with a desire to learn more. I'm not rich or even wealthy but I enjoy a life with my wife that makes us happy that many of my peers could only have dreamed of. So, I believe with education great things can be achieved if you have the right teachers.
If there is one thing that I find remarkable about Africa it is the desire of the children to become educated even if only as means to rise from the squalor. China wants nothing more than to become westernised. In products, diet and to a certain extent thinking after years of oppressive communism. Both countries are ripe for a mind set change.
I'm not debating any of the points made above, they are true but I do dare to dream that some inspired, aspirational people could achieve great things given the opportunity.

Angus, you are to be commended for your idealism, but chastised for your naïveté.

You and I and other individual human beings can be well educated in 16-20 years or so.

But it takes much, much longer for backwards, not to say primitive, cultures governed by corrupt and dictatorial political systems - such as China and many nations in Africa - to achieve sophistication and enlightenment.

By then, without severe intervention by Western countries, the rapacious Chinese and primitive peoples and corrupt governments of Africa will turn her teeming game fields into wastelands.

The Chinese influence in Africa is a pestilence of Biblical proportions.

Very well said Sir.

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7.26 tons of scales!!!!!

How many friggen pangolin does one have to kill to get 14,250 pounds of scales????

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A sickening amount unfortunately. They estimated 15,000.

If you've ever had the pleasure of observing them in the wild, they are pretty amazing to watch. They're certainly a throwback to an earlier time.

Unfortunately, they're way too easy to catch making them a perfect target for poachers.

https://news.mongabay.com/2019...angolin-trafficking/



Article and 45 minute documentary "Eye of the Pangolin" concerning the illegal pangolin trafficking trade.

Unfortunately all these “documentaries” accomplish is to pave the way for yet more for-profit conservation opportunists to stuff their pockets with money and do fuckall for the Pangolin.

TIA