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On the Tourism Tanzania web site there is a list of Hunting Licenced Tourist Agents dated 2004. The list is detailed below.

What exactly does this list mean? If a safari outiftter is not on the list what does that mean?

Thanks.

HUNTING SAFARIS
ARUSHA:
1 Otterlo Business Corporation Ltd
2 Wengert Windrose Safaris (T0 Ltd
3 Robin Hurt Safaris
4 Tanzania Game Trackers
5 Old Nyika Safaris Ltd
6 Tanzania Big Game Safaris Ltd
7 Tandala Hunting Safaris Ltd
8 Tanganyika Game Fishing & Photographic Safaris Ltd
9 Safari Royal Holdings Ltd
10 Tanzania Safaris & Hunting (2003) Ltd
11 Northern Hunting Entr. Ltd
12 Pori Trackers Of Africa Ltd
13 Tanzania Game Tracker Safaris Ltd
DAR ES SALAAM:
1 LUKE Samaras Safaris Ltd
2 Tanzania Bundu Safaris Ltd
3 Royal Frontiers Of Tanzania Ltd
4 Game Frontiers Of Tanzania Ltd
5 Miombo Safaris Ltd
6 African Bush Company Ltd
8 Wild Foot Prints Ltd
9 Barlette Safaris Co. Ltd
10 Tanganyika Wildlife Safaris Ltd
11 Kilombero North Safaris
12 Rugwa Game Safaris (T) Ltd
OTHER REGIONS:
1 VIP Safari Club (Mara)


The website: http://www.tourismtanzania.go.tz/documents/TOURIST%20AGENTS.htm


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MINISTRY OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND TOURISM
TOURIST AGENTS LICENSING AUTHORITY


LICENSED TOURIST AGENTS 2004


(1) Following below is the list of licensed Tourist Agents for the year 2004 as at 12th June 2004. Tourist Agents who are not listed here are carrying on Tourist Agents business without valid license contrary to the Tourist Agents Licensing Act of 1969. The Ministry wish to inform them that this is an offence under section 3(1) of the above Act and are therefore directed to stop forthwith the operations of those businesses.

(2) Given the above context in paragraph one, it should be further noted that only bonafide Tourist Agents will be allowed to enter the National Parks.

(3) By this notice, all relevant Authorities, TANAPA, Ngorongoro Conservation Area Authority, Traffic Police etc. Are hereby requested to assist in seeing to it that only bonafide Tourist Agents are allowed to operate in their jurisdiction.


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Hi Nitrox.

The Wildlife Act states that in order to conduct tourist hunting operations in Tanzania, a company must first be registered as a hunting company in Tanzania. Only Tanzanian registered hunting companies can apply for a hunting concession through the Director of Wildlife.

Furthermore, it is my understanding that Tanzanian registered hunting companies that own one or more hunting concessions are bound by a MoU with the Game Department which states that it is illegal to "sub-lease" their hunting concessions to 3rd parties (I am searching for a document to confirm this).


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Good find Nitro. Here's the 2005 List from the pdf at: http://www.tourismtanzania.go.tz/Documents/List%20of%20...Tourist%20Agents.pdf

HUNTING SAFARIS
ARUSHA:
1. Grumeti Reserves Ltd
2. Kilimanjaro Game Trails Ltd
3. Old Nyika Safaris Ltd
4. Otterlo Business Corporation Ltd
5. Pori Trackers Of Africa Ltd
6. Robin Hurt Safaris Ltd
7. Safari Royal Holdings Ltd
8. Tandala Hunting Safaris (1998) Ltd
9. Tanzania Big Game Safaris Ltd
10. Tanzania Game Tracker Safaris Ltd
11. Tanzania Safaris & Hunting (2003) Ltd
12. Wengert Windrose Safaris (T) Ltd
DAR ES SALAAM:
1. African Bush Company Ltd
2. Barlette Safaris Co. Ltd
3. Coastal Wilderness Ltd
4. Eco Safaris Ltd.
5. Enzagi Safaris Ltd
6. Game Frontiers of Tanzania Ltd
7. Gerard Pasanis Safaris
8. Intercon Adventrues Safaris Ltd
9. FOA Adventrues Safaris Ltd
10. Kilombero North Safaris Ltd
11. Luke Samaras Safaris Ltd
12. Miombo Safaris Ltd
13. Northern Hunting Entr. Ltd
14. Royal Frontiers of Tanzania Ltd
15. Rugwa Game Safaris (T) Ltd
16. Tanganyika Wildlife Safaris Ltd
17. Tanzania Bundu Safaris Ltd
18. Wild Foot Prints Ltd
 
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http://www.tanzania.go.tz/budgetspeech/2005/Maliasili%2...alii%20majedwali.htm

Scroll down to Jedwali Na. 8 and see a chart with the revenues of all the outfitters over the last few years.

Regards,

Terry



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Terry, I was told by a TZ Safari company that this chart is probably paid Trophy Fees. CHEERS
 
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MZEE,

Thanks, yes I assume it is the fees paid from the outfitters to the Government of Tanzania.

Regards,

Terry



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So what does it mean if your PH and safari outfitter are not on the list?
 
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Where does that put Usangu and Tawico Safaris?

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Where does that put Usangu and Tawico Safaris?

465H&H



Usangu and TaWiCo are bona fide operators, who are owned by the Mulla clan of the Baluchi tribe. They started Usangu years back, and later bought TaWiCo from the government as it was a parastatal that was for sale. Rumour has it that TaWiCo is being taken over by a wealthy individual from Florida who is owed $1.4m by them!!! Usangu will remain with Mzee Hassan Mulla who started the whole business about 16 years back.
 
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jangili!

Does that mean that the list posted above is not complete or are they listed there under another name?


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So if I am thinking of booking a safari in Tanzania, but the safari company is not on the list above, what does that mean?
 
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Its pretty obvious other outfitters or PHs also legally buy access to the concessions as well, perhaps from some of these licenced outfitters listed here. But some of these licenced outfitters evidently do not "re-sell" their rights or access and only deal with clients directly.

However how does this fit in then:
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(1) Following below is the list of licensed Tourist Agents for the year 2004 as at 12th June 2004. Tourist Agents who are not listed here are carrying on Tourist Agents business without valid license contrary to the Tourist Agents Licensing Act of 1969. The Ministry wish to inform them that this is an offence under section 3(1) of the above Act and are therefore directed to stop forthwith the operations of those businesses.


This is just conjecture. I am interested in hearing what the actual framework is, for personal knowledge. Hopefully someone knowledgable can answer.
 
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This is most interesting Does this mean that outfits that have been sub leasing have been breaking the law?
What about Kuduland Safaris. They sub-lease from Intercon....apparently.
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Terry,
What do you make of that list? On its face, the safari companies paying the highest dollar figure are obviously taking more trophies. But, are they operating more camps out of numerous concessions, have better concessions, better professinal hunters or over utilizing their quotas?


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SBT,

I don't think you can do a direct comparison because (as you said) the dollar amount would be affected by the fees charged, the number of hunters and concessions each company has per year, the amount of quota taken, etc.

Honestly, I don't think it tells us much. I just found it interesting.

Regards,

Terry



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Harry, 500g and others,

A non TZ registered outfitter can book a hunt with any of the listed companies and hunt in their concessions PROVIDED the listed company "outfits" the safari and that the client is "guided" by a TZ registered PH employed by the listed company. In effect the hunt is a hunt conducted by the "listed company" whereby the "foreign company" is the client.

That makes the Listed company responsible for all Gov fees due, licenses, trophy exports, etc AND very important, TAX liabilities resulting from the hunt.

The fact that it is a common occurence does not detract from the fact that if not done correctly it is an illegal transaction. But then who'se checking Cool


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Thanks for the explanation Mich.


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