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Being a Northerner, I'm not accustomed to long days in the heat and find that in Africa I dehydrate rather quickly. It seems there is never enough water and I'm always thirsty, especially when that unexpected stalk form the truck turns into an all day trek and only a few bottles of water are brought. Let's hear/see what members do to keep hydrated on Safari...Camelbaks, canteens, powder additives? | ||
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Heym, Get yourself a cheap rucksack and fill it with water bottles and let the tracker carry it. Trick is to keep the damn thing in the truck. Tell the tracker he can keep the rucksack at the end of the safari. There are some really good rehydration tablets out there and I like the citrus flavours. However you set your own pace and do not hesitate to ask for rest or quit when you have had enough. If you have used half your water then turn back or request for the car. There is no shame in that. A good safari is all about communication mate. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Water pure water ! no additives / no salts / no anything just water ! Your problem is not loss of salts and minerals your problem is loss of water ! Adding salts, sugars and minerals compound the problem ! By adding these you increase the dehydration ! How do we know this: We killed young men in the old SADF by forcing them to take Salt tablets on hot days ! The Healthy body has an almost infinite reserve of salts and minerals and unless you have some hormonal or kidney disease you will not require additives to the water. | |||
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I have lived in the Arizona desert nearly all my life. Don't wait till your thirsty to drink. Before heading out drink a big glass of water and take a drink regularly. Beer, soda, coffee are not good when dehydrated. If you are not peeing you are dehydrated. On a stalk water bottles tend to be noisy, crackling sound can be heard for a long ways. A hard bottle is better. M | |||
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Keep drinking water... Hydrate every evening before going to bed, drink again as much as possible when you wake up and keep drinking regularly during the day. I have 2 liters of water in my back pack that goes wherever I go. Once you get back to camp after a long hot day you can use powder like "Rehydrate" with a min of 1,5 liters of water to get electrolytes back in the body for the following day. Take it easy on alcohol and caffeine... Gerhard FFF Safaris Capture Your African Moments Hunting Outfitter (MP&LP) Proffesional Hunter (MP&LP) History guide Wildlife Photographer www.fffsafaris.co.za | |||
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That's exactly what I have done I don't rely on trackers carry my water I'll pack it myself in camp and it stays with me Throw couple of beers in it for shits and giggles For me , kill equals beer For you Pete, it might be whiskey One way or the other, self reliance on guided hunts won't hurt " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Pete, What Andrew said. It's your safari and ultimately your paying the bill so you get to call the shots. I don't like the Camelback thing because it's something else to carry. You are paying a lot of money for your safari and somebody should be carrying whatever you don't want to including all the water you deem necessary. If you want to take a break and drink some water just call a halt. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Always when leaving the truck ask, "Do we have water". Only once on Safari did we "run dry" and it was when we were "taking a little walk to the river to look for a hippo". The walk ended up longer than anticipated and the unexpected death of a Waterbuck and search for it kept us out longer then expected. I wear a camelback everywhere else I enter the bush. It just doesn't work for me in Africa. Before we leave camp these....  go into individual water bottles so they are well dissolved by the time we start drinking the water, which is long before our bodies say we are thirsty. We had some long mileage days in the Zambezi Valley and never had a cramp or felt thirsty. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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It's not Africa, but south Texas is considered a desert much as Namibia. I know most people don't recommend 'additives' but I use those little tubes that one puts in half liter bottles. I like lemonade. They have no calories. They are basically about 1/3 teaspoon of some unknown chemical  . I know, but heck I'm 69, I doubt I'll live long enough for them to kill me. This makes them easier to drink constantly. I Put them in a small soft sided cooler. Mine holds 6-7 with a little ice. 4 -5 will be almost frozen, the others frozen. I start drinking them pretty early. When I start I don't stop. I'll consume about one an hour. I'll pee  a lot, but have never been dehydrated doing this. Captdavid"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds. Get closer! | |||
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This brings up an interesting split in philosophy...we have some, like ALF who say "no way to additives" and others who recommend some type of electrolyte powder. any one knowledgable on the subject know which is the way to go?.....any Dr's? | |||
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Depending on hunts, but possible a long track I use one of these. http://www.skdtac.com/CamelBak...n-Pack-p/cbk.517.htm | |||
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Lack of salt will give you muscle cramps when you are walking 10 miles a day. You need to drink MORE WATER than you can possibly drink. By putting a little flavoring in your water it makes it much easier to consume more. Last year I tried Camelback Elixr Electrolite tablets. I used a half of tablet to 24oz of water. It worked excellent.  | |||
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Everybody is different. Personally, I can get to the point where additional water will make me vomit, but a sweetened drink will go down and stay down. Everyone (who wasn't in my situation of hunting in extreme heat said to just drink water, but I knew instinctively that it was bad advice for me. Then I saw a report by doctors on TV. They investigated deaths on the Kokoda Track in PNG (among hikers). The people dying were drinking heaps of water. But they were losing too many salts and minerals. Death rates were reduced by using powders. | |||
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Simple for me to decide. I raced bicycles. If I did not add electrolytes and some glucose to water bottles I would "bonk" (complete loss of power) or cramp. Look at marathoners. They all use supplements. The poor souls laying on the cots at aid stations getting IV's and massages in an attempt to stop the cramping likely didn't take in enough fluids and/or lost to much essential minerals/electrolytes through sweat. Plenty of studies to read. An amino acid-electrolyte beverage may increase cellular rehydration relative to carbohydrate-electrolyte and flavored water beverages From next article.... Here are 5 key points recapping the recent American College of Sports Medicine exercise and fluid replacement guidelines (Sawka et al., 2007). 1) To ensure clients are properly pre-hydrated for exercise, drink 5-7 milliliters of fluid per kilogram of body weight 2-4 hours prior to exercise. 2) If needed, eat a lightly salted snack or small meal containing sodium a couple of hours before exercise to correct any electrolyte imbalances. 3) During exercise e 1 hour, a sports drink may be used to meet the hydration, electrolyte, and carbohydrate needs of your clients. 4) Consume some carbohydrate energy (food or sports drink) to help fuel ongoing endurance exercise. 5) Clients exercising in a hot, humid environment or who are heavy sweaters may benefit in consuming a carbohydrate-electrolyte solution during shorter bouts of exercise. LINK From next link..... There is clear evidence that drinks, containing an energy source in the form of a carbohydrate and an electrolyte, have beneficial effects for athletes and improve performance (Convertino et al, 1996; Casa 2000) provided exercise duration is long enough to allow empting of the drink from the stomach followed by absorption into the intestine (Shirreffs, 2003). It is important to remember, that every individual is different, and what suits one person in a given situation may not suit another, therefore customized fluid replacement programmes are advised. LINK Lastly, the intangibles. To me water with flavor, or in "Fizz"'s case effervescence is much more palatable than plain water and I will be more prone to drink an adequate amount for hydration purposes. All opinions on here, including mine, are anecdotal. The studies are not. Your mileage may vary. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Thanks Frostbit I noticed I'm able to drink much more, when the water has a little flavored additive...plain water starts to make me sick after a few bottles. Not sure why, but it doesn't go down smooth. WTF is this sorcery?  | |||
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I normally have a cup of coffee and a cup of tea in the morning. And I always drink something before we start a hunt on foot. Normally I do not again until we either shoot it, stop for lunch, or return to the truck. We have had occasions where we drank nothing all day until we get back to the truck just by sunset. I seem to suffer less due to dehydration. We went hiking in the mountains in Germany with friends. Everyone had all sorts of drinks in their backpacks. I refused to carry any as my backpack is already full of cameras. Left about 9, and we returned at 5. I did not drink a thing until we got back. One of my friends said "you must be related to a bloody camel! If I did that I would be crawling on my hands and knees now"! He was English, and 30 years younger than me  | |||
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He was 6 years old,  right? Captdavid"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds. Get closer! | |||
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It's called timed maximum absorption rate and it's science. If you prefer to get your advice from a Wiccan have at it.  ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Probably explains why you are 110 pounds. Shriveled up!!  Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I read this somewhere, I hope that I don't mis-remember the facts. When the British army was still wearing their wool 'lobster' uniforms, in the tropics, they wore kinda of a backwards cumberbun. It was wool and worn on the lower back. At the end of the day it could weigh as much as six pounds, if I recall correctly. Imagine that, six pounds of sweat! captdavid "It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds. Get closer! | |||
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NUUN tablets. One full 20oz bottle every 30-45 minutes. The whole bottle, none of that sipping stuff here. Drink constantly in camp. You must be peeing every two hours or you are heading downhill. Dulcinea What counts is what you learn after you know it all!!! | |||
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We wear a Camelback filled with water and ice in the morning. Water will stay cool until mid-afternoon and allow you to drink whenever without looking for a water carrier and stopping the track to get a bottle of water. Get the insulated drink tube as used on the military Camelbacks. We use the AMBUSH model which also allows carrying first aid/gunshot material and a few other essential/small items. We also carry tablets such as NUUN or HAMMER. Almost no sugar, natural electrolyte with mild flavors. One tablet of NUUN to a 16oz bottle of water. Not messy like powders. We have been using these for safaris in up to 120f. The science is available and these additives will help your physical performance/condition. Do some simple research; the internet is a wonderful tool. All are available at REI or Amazon or eBay. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Not far from the truth! We are in BC, Canada skiing and hiking. Went up into the mountains this morning, and again, I did not take anything with me. Left early in the morning, got back at 2. Drank about 2 liters of different drinks after we got back. Saw one mule deer and one rabbit. | |||
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Living in the desert Southwest and doing technical climbs--i always add a little Citrus to my water--cleans the mouth and doesn't hurt anything else. Lemon , lime or grapefruit juice- and like most have said--Keep drinking water--it does not do you any good in the bottle/camelback. "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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True to say that salt on its own exacerbates the problem of dehydration, but if you consume large quantities of water something like Darrolyte tablets are the way to go. | |||
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Heym 450/400 I hunted about 100 days in high heat 40 deg Celcius+ and very dry conditions this year. 6 different clients and this system kept them all going strong. Often with a dramatic recovery if they had not been observing it. 500ml Bottles 1. Bottle of water when you wake up 2. Bottle of water after/with breakfast 3. Bottle of water before you start to walk 4. Bottle of water for every 2 hour you are walking (camel pack or tracker) 5. Bottle of water when you get back to truck 6. 1 x Rehidrate sachet with water each evening when you have walked more than 5km Every second day if you are not walking much 7. Bottle of water with Dinner 8. Bottle of water before you go to bed. They guys would also generally consume a few cokes through the day and often a beer or two as well. General rule of thumb, if you have salt chrystals building up on you by the end of the day or can taste salt on your top lip all the time, then you need an electrolyte My observations with taking the electrolyte at night was that people wake up refreshed and ready to go, not groggy and tired. Also far less muscle stiffness and fatigue than without it. Bear in mind that some of these hunts had regular 15-20km walks in high heat and you were sweating from start to finish. One of the things I watch for in my hunters during the day is clumsy feet. Once they start tripping and kicking rocks etc or have "loose legs" then I know they are pushing the limits of their endurance. This often is remedied by upping the water intake. If you pay attention to yourself you will also feel it. One big plus point with hydrating at night and before the day starts is that you are not playing catch up and your body can function well through the most important parts of the day. It also improves your mental capacity and keeps you sharp, something that is important in tough terrain with dangerous animals. Good luck. PS. I carry my own water in a 3L Camel pack along with my extra ammo and vital first aid supplies and trauma kit. It you walk with a 5kg pack every day at home before you come to Africa, then it will feel light as a feather when you get here Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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You lose a lot of electrolytes when you sweat. Water is very important but electrolyte imbalance is what will get you in trouble! Sodium, chloride, potassium, and magnesium are the main ones. | |||
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Just drinking tons of water on a long hike is no good. You need the electrolytes and what does wonders is a can or two of coke! I have come back from the dead with a can of coke after a long hike! | |||
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Hydration starts with preparation and monitoring. You need to look at your urine long before the trip. You want your urine as light and clear as possible. If you notice it starting to darken you know that you have fallen behind in hydration and need to correct that. This is all done long before the trip. Along those lines, if you are not seeing lightening of the color of your urine you have to evaluate and eliminate which diuretics you are consuming or over consuming. Sugary drinks, i.e. soda pop are killers in that regard. If you start the day's hunt fully hydrated you are much better off. You can keep going longer by drinking before thirsty. If you should run out of water you should still be in pretty good shape to finish the day. Electrolytes must be replaced but you don't have to drink them with every drink. Everything must be somewhat balanced. Only water is OK but not ideal, especially if you are over hydrating and throwing the electrolytes out of balance. I spent 90 days in Alaska, Fort Greeley, Black Rapids, and Delta Junction from Jan - Apr, spent 6 days in Tennessee and then went to Panama for 9 weeks. Although one night early in the Panama trip I had some hallucinations (funny story not for here) I managed to not go to the aid station or have an IV administered trail side that many who had not been in Alaska prior to leaving TN. The way the Army handled heat injuries in extreme heat was make sure the medics had plenty of IV bags to plug into guys suffering from exhaustion/ dehydration. For the record, after the 1970's the Army stopped the mandatory salt tablets and never gave us electrolyte drinks; except for the IV in extreme cases. You would be surprised how many guys miraculously came back to life just seeing the IV without it even needing administered! Oh thanks for stirring old memories! PA Bear Hunter, NRA Benefactor | |||
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Funny you say that. I actually drink very little water - I can go months without a single drop. I drink different liquids. Juices, coffee, tea, soft drinks etc, but hardly any water. When we go to Africa I take lots of drink additives that have sugar in them. I do not like any sugar free ones at all. Sometimes I cannot find tablets in this form so but powder drinks, and separate it into small zip lock bags, each for 500 militers of water. Walter keeps telling that not drinking water will make me sick. And the fact is I have never been sick in all my life, while he is in constant attention of doctors. Eating too much salt, sugar, red meat and chilis have its benefits despite what the quacks say | |||
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Get some of those individual Life Saver packs. They do wonders for a dry mouth, no matter how much you have or haven't had to drink. I learned this from forrestb. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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More info please? Link? | |||
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They've been around for years (about a hundred years) and don't claim to have any magical properties, but they sure worked while walking around in Burkina Faso. Here's a link: http://www.life-savers.com/ I like the Wint o Greens http://www.life-savers.com/pro...ts/#wint_o_green_bag _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Saeed, If you are talking about yourself it doesn't look like you eat too much of anything! Moderation is the key to just about everything. Tom | |||
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Hydration is extremely important, but any PH worth his/her salt will ensure that they have plenty of bottled water and/or sodas available while out hunting. You should not have to carry your own water, as that is why you are paying a hefty daily rate. You will have enough on your plate just keeping up during the long walks without having to carry the extra weight of camel-baks, etc. While on your hunt, drink plenty of water at every opportunity. If feeling tired, drink a soda for energy (unless you are diabetic of course). Double check with your outfitter before leaving just for piece of mind. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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I was raised a desert rat, and seldom need much water as most raised in hot climates, but on Safari, one of the camp staff should be packing plenty of water for everyone, I can't imagine that not being the case on safari while hunting in the field..Most have an ice chest of water and food, and one of the staff fills a back pack with bottled water before you leave the vehicle...Don't drink the water in Africa, ever!! at least in camp. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I do this same thing. Works great. | |||
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I thought you meant drinks! I have lots of hard boiled sweets in my pockets while on safari, and pass them on every couple of hours or so to everyone in the group. Chewing gum is also essential. | |||
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