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Has anyone else watched the U Tube video of Safari Classics. "Charged by Savannah buffalo- Life or Death in Cameroon? I was astonished that the hunter involved "Marcus" allowed this video to be made public. He was hunting with Ben Rautenbach from ZDS on Patrick Dahlan's concession Faro East. I have hunted with Patrick Dahlan and the other staff involved and it is a great operation. The client's comments after he wounded a buffalo too far back resulting in a young PH getting hammered by the buff were astounding. I don't know yet if the PH lived. A lesson to us all that there comes a time when you should stop hunting DG before someone gets hurt. | ||
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I think I saw that video on TV…. On Tracks Across Africa??? Go Duke!! | |||
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Yes, I just watched it this weekend on YouTube. I was pretty frustrated with the hunter either not being able to see game, or not getting off a shot with what seemed like ample time. I was talking to the TV like I was watching a sporting event in several spots. The hunter did seem pretty damn casual about the situation after the young PH got hammered. The guy who got hit appeared to be in shock, wasn't a ton of blood but he certainly could have some internal issues. I was quite surprised that Safari Classics didn't mention how it all turned out at the end. The video just ends. | |||
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I’d have given that hunter his money back on day one and sent him home. What a nightmare that guy was. | |||
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He is the sort of idiot who has no business hunting! Only saw bits of the video, he is far TOO SLOW in picking up game and shooting. And the best part is his second shot on the buffalo and carried on without reloading! | |||
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Lots of bad stuff on that video. Not only a client who is too old and not mentally fit to hunt dangerous game, but also a PH following a wounded buffalo with only shooting sticks in his hands instead of his rifle. That video really should never have seen the light of day. | |||
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A very abbreviated version of this has been floating around for quite a while . Lots of mistakes. | |||
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They should’ve used that Hunter as croc bait. It was frustrating to have to watch him and listen to him DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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I think I watched the right YouTube? Why was the PH, Hunter, and "young PH" wearing CMS shirts? In the quick glimpses of cartridges used by hunter, they looked small, like a 300?? I can remember Harald Wolf talking about using a 9.3mm on Western Buff... seems a 375H&H or larger is appropriate,and larger for PH!! That is really a crazy bandage on the hunters stock, obviously to make camp gun fit??!! The PH was NOT carrying his rifle on wounded Buff follow-up, only sticks?? It appears the guy that got whacked didn't have a rifle??What was EITHER doing on follow-up without a rifle!!?? WOW!! What a mess all the way around!! This whole thing does not represent sport hunting of Dangerous Game well at all...surprised Safari Classics is running it?? 470EDDY | |||
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Very frustrating and almost painful to watch. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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I think the PH who got hit was carrying a rifle, and he did fire one shot. From what I was told, he is the licensed PH, and the South African PH is the tag along PH who had brought the client. It looks like the hunter is one of those "look at me hunting" sort of guy. The video is concentrating on him, rather than the hunt. It is a CLASSIC sort of hunt to show who should NERVER be out there hunting! The way things happened at the time of the charge was very confusing. They were split all over the place. And the client seems to have no clue of picking up game. | |||
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Wow...just wow. It was like watching a car accident. I just couldn't look away. My emotions oscillated between anger, disgust, and utter sadness watching that shit show. "The true test of a man's character is what he does when no one is watching". - John Wooden | |||
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. Love the fact that the client is wearing a CMS shirt! You could use parts of the video as a "what not to do" exercise. Clearly the guy has hunted before but looks like first time in W Africa and slow on the sticks. And the PH calls him over after the buff hit as he is a doctor! . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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After reading the comments of others I watched the video expecting to have feelings of WTF get that useless git out of there, money doesn't buy you everything. However, I could only feel sadness to see someone clearly out of their depth in almost every respect of hunting any animal let alone dangerous game. I could go on to list many things wrong but others have already noted most of these. Just a sad old man past his prime, if he ever had one in terms of hunting. | |||
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I have hunted with Patrick, not as a PH but as the owner of that concession. Patrick is a businessman from France who has an MBA from Harvard. He loves to hunt and has poured a lot of money and effort into this area. He is well respected by the locals and officials there. He plays by the rules in Cameroon. He may have been the PH but he is not trained as a PH like the Zimbabwe PH's are trained. Overall, he is a good guy and experienced in Cameroon. When I hunted we had Theirry Labat and Pete Wood as PH's - both well known Zim PH's and highly experienced. We encounter lions as well as buffalo on our hunt there. The savannah buffalo did not seem to be as spooky or wary os the Cape version. We actually called a couple of small herds back to us after they ran 50 yards. We stalked within 30 yds of them several times before I took one. My sense, albeit based on 10 days there, is that they are not quite the fighter that Cape buff but apparantely I am wrong. To me, all of this leads to my personal axiom that when hunting dangerous game, I want the best trained and experienced PH I can get - read here "Zimbabwe trained". No other country trains their PH's the way it is done in Zimbabwe. Yes, I get it that "shit happens" and people get hit/hurt, but having a Zimbabwe trained PH is a good thing to have. I get it that it seems that Zim PH's get hit by DG often enough to concern anyone. However, they are in the line of fire in a country that has been hunted hard and the animals are not new to human interaction. When I see the likes of Buzz Charlton, Dean Kendall, Thierry Labat, Gary Duckworth and many others hunting with many clients and over 150 days per year- they have the experience to deal with bad situations quickly. Not to say that RSA or Namibia or Ugandan PH's are not skilled - on a case by case basis - but when after DG, I like having the Zim trained PH firing that second shot and the third if needed. | |||
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Goodness, what a harsh bunch of critics! I don't know the origin or purpose of the video, but bear in mind that it was ONE angle of view and ONE perspective. How the hunt is conducted is the responsibility of the PH and his assessment of the client. And the client should be able to pass on a shot if he believes it impractical or outside of his capabilities--even if that annoys the PH, trackers, or our peanut gallery on AR. The cameraman had some angles where I thought a shot would be practical, but there is no way to know what the client perceived. Likewise, after the buff was wounded the video provided one very brief perspective on the encounter. We cannot know how it was planned, organized, or initially implemented. But having hunted with Guy Whittall and Peter Wood, I'd second dogcat's preference for an experienced Zim-trained PH. And if Guy ends up having one of our hunts videoed for publicity, I would hope for a kinder review of my personal failings then what was demonstrated on this thread. | |||
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Anyone who posts that video on a public website like YouTube deserves his share of criticism. A disaster is what it was. A PH was gored by a wounded buffalo. And not for nothing, but no mention was even made of the extent of his injuries or even if he recovered! As I said, it was very frustrating and even painful to watch. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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You can’t make a silk purse out of sow! That was one VERY sad hunt! Several PHs and hunters have watched it here and they were all unanimous in their opinions. The client was the epitome of a nightmare hunter! | |||
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. Saeed you forgot the ear! "You cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear" Matthew 8/28 Small detail but you may be able to make a silk purse out of a whole sow! I know you can make one from a buffs scrotum! May not be silk but its a coin purse. . "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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Looked to me that the French PH was fronting another and whose weapon of choice was his sticks. The chap who got injured looked like an observer? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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And just remind me when a Tanzanian or Zambian PH failed in the field? We don’t shoot your game unless provoked. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Andrew - I had an American PH in Tanzania in 2016 or 17. He was terrible. He smoked non-stop on buffalo stalks. He was also shit scared of buffalo. I killed two, both on my own with the tracker. He stayed behind. We casually baited for Leopards. This guy couldn't have gotten a Leopard in a tree, if there were 1000 Leopards and only one tree. I asked him how he got his license. He said that "It was easy, I did the PH course in RSA and then had 5 PH's (IIRC) sign me off." He was my only real bad experience in all my hunting years. He worked for Federico Gellini. What a goat rope. My experience with You,Terry, Allister, Johnny, Abie etc. Were all positive in Zambia. Had to ask Alister to follow up one time. The light was very low and I didn't want to take a chance, he had a hole or two in him already, from me, earlier in the day. My only Zim trained PH was Wayne Grant. He did tell me how difficult and how well trained the Zim guys are. Wayne was a great guy to hunt with. I've had some pretty salty Alaskan Guides that needed to change professions. Grumpy, arrogant and not enjoyable to be around. Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Having lived in Africa and being around alot of Safaris.Hunters like this are not that rare sorry to say.He just put it on film. Very sad! Having said that,there were some mistakes made by the PH and the appy.Too many people on the follow up. | |||
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Baldry, Not slamming anyone that is properly trained. Zim trains and certifies PH’s very well. Worst PH I have experienced was Hartley Combrink in Zambia. Drunk, foul mouthed, arrogant POS. Left early as he would not stay sobe4 and shut up. Not happened anywhere else. | |||
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Has there ever been a professional hunter worse than Mark Sullivan? His sole purpose of going there is self glorification! | |||
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Now now Saeed. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I would like someone who was there to clarify a few things. Did the gentleman who was gored have a rifle or not? Was he really in the lead just carrying shooting sticks? It did seem the hunter was slow to take a shot, but the camera angle can be completely different from his view. The hunter also appeared to be old, slow and didn't make a perfect first shot but so what? If Safari companies didn't take clients like him, they wouldn't have a company for very long. There aren't that many men in the prime of life that have the time and money to go and make a perfect first shot every time. Some of you are just a bunch of Negative Nancys'. STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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Yes the person who got gored had a rifle, and seemed to have fired one shot. | |||
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Saeed....Now where is Cal when we need him.. All aside, Sullivan was able to make some great followup shoots. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "You've got the strongest hand in the world. That's right. Your hand. The hand that marks the ballot. The hand that pulls the voting lever. Use it, will you" John Wayne | |||
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Nikolai (who got gored) was in front with a rifle and appeared to get one shot away as the buff came. Next was Ben with sticks followed by client with rifle. After hitting Nikolai, the buff focused on him which gave client a chance to shoot. buff appeared to retreat into thicket. At some point Ben must have taken Nikolai's rifle and proceeded to shoot at the buff together with the client eventually putting the buff down for good. With the benefit of hindsight, Ben appeared to be the most qualified to lead the follow up, and should have been handed a rifle for that purpose. Would it have changed the outcome? Who knows. Good to see Franz Coupe still enjoying the outdoors. "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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It actually looked like client shot at Buffalo while PH was under Buffalo. If so I would rather take my chances getting gored that this client shooting me DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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I do miss Cal. And you are absolutely right. Sullivan did make fantastic shots. They were his dream of hunting Africa!  | |||
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Cal was the real deal and an absolute expert on double rifles. His books are amazing. Many talk a good game but Cal was the expert. | |||
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trained by CMS?  | |||
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Did he pay a non REFUNDABLE TROPHY FEE?? | |||
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shoutout to the legends, Mark, Cal, Buzz, all living in people's head rent free   | |||
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Very true! When you get yourself to the stage where you become an utter IDIOT, it is very hard for normal people to forget you! | |||
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Interesting. I had Ben as a PH in 2012. Good guy. I’ll have to watch the video now. Did Ben get hurt?
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Painful to watch( i skipped to end ). When i hunted with Ben he had a .500 double. He let me shoot it a few times so that’s when i started looking for one. Not sure why he had no rifle? Seemed odd the others got so far out in front of Ben and the client on the follow up. Hope the other guy was alright wonder how far the “hospital” was? i’d hate to have to find out in cameroon White Mountains Arizona | |||
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