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Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
shoutout to the legends, Mark, Cal, Buzz, all living in people's head rent free

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I sincerely hope never to become a “legend” on AR…

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Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
shoutout to the legends, Mark, Cal, Buzz, all living in people's head rent free

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I sincerely hope never to become a “legend” on AR…

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Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
shoutout to the legends, Mark, Cal, Buzz, all living in people's head rent free

Those mentioned are only legends in their own stupid heads!

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You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz.

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Originally posted by Lhook7:
I truly hate to say this after 20 years as a member, but AR has become an echo chamber for morons.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I sincerely hope never to become a “legend” on AR…

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Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
shoutout to the legends, Mark, Cal, Buzz, all living in people's head rent free

Those mentioned are only legends in their own stupid heads!

Now there you go again, poking at Buzz.
You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz. I cannot speak to Mark S, but agree he is/was over the top. Cal was an expert and extremely skilled with a double.

I guess I am a legand too in that you have called and several others here “stupid”.

However, Buzz and Cal have a level of skill and knowledge that most will never have, including you.


Your beef with Buzz is beneath you, or so I thought until you bring it up again.

There you go again…

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I sincerely hope never to become a “legend” on AR…

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Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
shoutout to the legends, Mark, Cal, Buzz, all living in people's head rent free

Those mentioned are only legends in their own stupid heads!

Now there you go again, poking at Buzz.
You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz. I cannot speak to Mark S, but agree he is/was over the top. Cal was an expert and extremely skilled with a double.

I guess I am a legand too in that you have called and several others here “stupid”.

However, Buzz and Cal have a level of skill and knowledge that most will never have, including you.


Your beef with Buzz is beneath you, or so I thought until you bring it up again.

There you go again…

Buzz has proven himself to be an IDIOT here!

And I have no time for stupid IDIOTS!

I told him to his face!

You got your head stuck up his rear end, enjoy it!

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I sincerely hope never to become a “legend” on AR…

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Originally posted by ilitshe_zim:
shoutout to the legends, Mark, Cal, Buzz, all living in people's head rent free

Those mentioned are only legends in their own stupid heads!

Now there you go again, poking at Buzz.
You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz. I cannot speak to Mark S, but agree he is/was over the top. Cal was an expert and extremely skilled with a double.

I guess I am a legand too in that you have called and several others here “stupid”.

However, Buzz and Cal have a level of skill and knowledge that most will never have, including you.


Your beef with Buzz is beneath you, or so I thought until you bring it up again.

There you go again…

Buzz has proven himself to be an IDIOT here!

And I have no time for stupid IDIOTS!

I told him to his face!

You got your head stuck up his rear end, enjoy it!

Again, this tirade is beneath you, or so I thought. The view you have is much like where you are asking me to place my head. Yours, at times, seems to reside there when it comes to this subject.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz.

That of course would be your opinion.

Buzz is undoubtedly an excellent PH but to claim there are no others to match or better him is going a trifle overboard.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz.

That of course would be your opinion.

Buzz is undoubtedly an excellent PH but to claim there are no others to match or better him is going a trifle overboard.

I agree but some here have limited hunting experience or knowledge of the industry.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz.

That of course would be your opinion.

Buzz is undoubtedly an excellent PH but to claim there are no others to match or better him is going a trifle overboard.

I agree but some here have limited hunting experience or knowledge of the industry.

Baldry,
Why would you of all people jump on this dog pile? Your credibility is what it is and you feel like jumping on this?

I did not say Buzz or anyone is the GOAT. I stated he is the top of list of experienced PH’s. Saeed chose to drop poop on him during his rant against Mark Sullivan and Cal Pappas.
I struggle to see any connection between those three. Cal was an expert highly respected author and double rifle expert. Sullivan is a polarizing PH that makes money as a PH and video producer. Most question his ethics. On that Saeed and I agree.

But Buzz and CMS? Really?
Saeed objected to Buzz requesting some trophy fees up front due to client’s committing to taking certain quota animals then not taking them when given the opportunity.

That is common in several places - Cameroon, Ethiopia and others. Saeed and a few others went off on that. Immature and derogatory comments were made about how CMS conducts their business.

Buzz attempts an explanation and gets lambasted by Saeed and a few others. Big deal. Buzz and CMS can run their business how they choose. You don’t have to like it.
None of Saeed’s or anyone else’s business, yet, the wannabes and porch monkeys decided to make a big deal about it. Buzz said go fly a kite and left this forum.
Good on him.

So, you come along with your baggage and pile on… that really takes the prize…

I am truly amazed at some people who should know better…

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Copyright

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Saeed, I’m surprised at you.

You know very well that Buzz was once named PH of the Year by the Dallas Sashfari Club and they are NEVER wrong!

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You might remember those given that title by SCI!

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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You might remember those given that title by SCI!

.... Are mostly bestowed in exchange for something

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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You cannot name a PH as qualified or as skilled as Buzz.

That of course would be your opinion.

Buzz is undoubtedly an excellent PH but to claim there are no others to match or better him is going a trifle overboard.

I agree but some here have limited hunting experience or knowledge of the industry.

Baldry,
Why would you of all people jump on this dog pile? Your credibility is what it is and you feel like jumping on this?

I did not say Buzz or anyone is the GOAT. I stated he is the top of list of experienced PH’s. Saeed chose to drop poop on him during his rant against Mark Sullivan and Cal Pappas.
I struggle to see any connection between those three. Cal was an expert highly respected author and double rifle expert. Sullivan is a polarizing PH that makes money as a PH and video producer. Most question his ethics. On that Saeed and I agree.

But Buzz and CMS? Really?
Saeed objected to Buzz requesting some trophy fees up front due to client’s committing to taking certain quota animals then not taking them when given the opportunity.

That is common in several places - Cameroon, Ethiopia and others. Saeed and a few others went off on that. Immature and derogatory comments were made about how CMS conducts their business.

Buzz attempts an explanation and gets lambasted by Saeed and a few others. Big deal. Buzz and CMS can run their business how they choose. You don’t have to like it.
None of Saeed’s or anyone else’s business, yet, the wannabes and porch monkeys decided to make a big deal about it. Buzz said go fly a kite and left this forum.
Good on him.

So, you come along with your baggage and pile on… that really takes the prize…

I am truly amazed at some people who should know better…

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It is not training but rather extensive experience in the field.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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It is not training but rather extensive experience in the field.

Most if not all the "old" PHs never underwent training but rather grew up among hunting families and hunters from their childhood days, "made their bones" as they grew and some are still in the game today at a ripe old age.

The "new batch" of PHs who had to attend school and apprenticeships prior to being licensed, will mature over time, like fine wines.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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It is not training but rather extensive experience in the field.

Most if not all the "old" PHs never underwent training but rather grew up among hunting families and hunters from their childhood days, "made their bones" as they grew and some are still in the game today at a ripe old age.

The "new batch" of PHs who had to attend school and apprenticeships prior to being licensed, will mature over time, like fine wines.

A bit like Selby and Gerard including yourself

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Originally posted by crbutler:
One difference between Ethiopia and what CMS did is the law.

I agree that Buzz Charlton is an excellent PH, and a fine man. I’ve met him, and I defy anyone who has spent any time with him to say otherwise.

I do think the business decision being discussed was a poor one, but business decisions often defy logic.

I respect Saeed’s position, but frankly none of us mortals have never made a mistake. I try and give some grace on bad decisions, but admit some are hard to.

Too bad that some have such a thin skin. Cal never stopped participating despite Saeed’s ribbing, and Saeed has said he misses Cal and his participation.

Some take themselves a bit too seriously here.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by crbutler:
One difference between Ethiopia and what CMS did is the law.

I agree that Buzz Charlton is an excellent PH, and a fine man. I’ve met him, and I defy anyone who has spent any time with him to say otherwise.

I do think the business decision being discussed was a poor one, but business decisions often defy logic.

I respect Saeed’s position, but frankly none of us mortals have never made a mistake. I try and give some grace on bad decisions, but admit some are hard to.

Too bad that some have such a thin skin. Cal never stopped participating despite Saeed’s ribbing, and Saeed has said he misses Cal and his participation.

Some take themselves a bit too seriously here.

Doc Butler -

I think you are applying "thin skin" to the particular prism you see things thru.

Many, including myself, lose interest when I feel the need to defend myself.

For Gods sake, it's just an internet forum. Why get pissed on something so un-important. Like participating down in the P&G, Those guys say shit that just makes me shake my head and I lose interest and fade away. I will still poke my head in occasionally, but the tone makes it unenjoyable.

Without seeing the issue through Buzz's prism, we have no clue. I don't know Buzz, never met him. But ha was called some pretty salty things in here. If his business doesn't need to participate here, carry on. But to accuse him of thin skin is a bit of a leap.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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It is not training but rather extensive experience in the field.

Most if not all the "old" PHs never underwent training but rather grew up among hunting families and hunters from their childhood days, "made their bones" as they grew and some are still in the game today at a ripe old age.

The "new batch" of PHs who had to attend school and apprenticeships prior to being licensed, will mature over time, like fine wines.

A bit like Selby and Gerard including yourself

I am humbled by your accolade though modestly do not feel I feature on the levels of those gentlemen.

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Originally posted by dogcat:
I have made 15 trips in Africa (9 countries) and more to Europe, Alaska, Canada, USA West, Mexico, New Zealand and Asia.

I counted up 44 guides/PH's I have had.

I reviewed my trip reports on each to get refreshed.

All but Zimbabwe lack training to an appreciable standard. Several (US, Mexico, NZ and a couple of others) have no standards at all. Canada required first aid training.

I have hunted with converted part time cowboy guides, one was an oilfield worker on his days off in Alaska, one was just let out of a rehab facility (Namibia), two had never guided before as I was their first client guiding alone and not as an appy.

I can plainly see the experienced vs trained vs. trained with intense expereince.

I will take trained PH with intense experience everytime.

I get it that the Franz Coupee's and John Sharp's of the world have tremendous experience. That is seriously important. One of the best PH's I had was a 23 year old kid from Kansas that was a PH in CAR. He spoke the local language, had lived on the ground for 3 years and built the camps. He knew his quarry very well. That is not the norm and there was no certs or training involved. He learned under an experienced Swedish PH that was pretty good.

But again, and I agree with Saeed in his earliery post, that it boils down to the individual and how that person was trained, mentored and what/where the experience came from.

On par with Zim trained PH's are Coast Guard certified captains in Alaskan waters fishing in the salt water. These folks are seriously trained and evaluated for safety and boat skills. I was impressed. I did not see the same training in Canadian fishing waters.

In a blind draw however, I take the Zim trained PH due to his/her training.