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Probably need a lawyer here. Hypothetical question - You are on an Africa safari and things go wrong and you accidentally shoot your tracker or PH for what ever reason? What would you do? A. Leave it in the hands of your possibly dead PH, make a plan and then address the situation from the safety of your home country? B. Report the incident to the nearest Police Station, contact a lawyer and let local law take it course? C. Do a runner? I was trying to think of a forth option but could not. It is all well being booked through a renowned booking agent but if the shit hits the fan where does it leave you? Most sub Saharan countries inherited English law and are today still governed under the basis of this structure. However let us narrow it down to the the main Safari destinations - RSA, Tanzania, Namibia, Zimbabwe and Zambia. Would appreciate inputs from representatives of these countries. Any lawyers out there? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | ||
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Just an off the wall question here, but were you not active on here when the accident involving Craig Boddington's daughter and Punki, one of the trackers on her hunt took place a few months back?  Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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I don't think any sort of reasonable response can be made if you don't narrow down the "situation" in which the shooting took place. There is a big difference between shooting someone on accident while trying to save them from a wounded animal(charge situation), and shooting them in the back while walking through open country(accidental discharge). How many witnesses where there? Etc.... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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I always carry a bolt action with at least three, and in some cases five, rounds in the magazine. So, I'm pretty sure I could quickly shoot all of the remaining witnesses and frame the PH for the crime. "He went rogue on us, officer, and shot all the trackers, and even the game scout." "Luckily, I put him down with a frontal brain shot before he could get me, too." Given third world forensics and the mental instability of PHs in general, I would probably not even miss my flight home. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Love it. Proper answer to a ridiculous question And I knew reading this post was a waste of time. Probably should have just skipped it. "You only gotta do one thing well to make it in this world" - J Joplin | |||
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Pay the trophy fee!  Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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DON'T shoot anybody in South Africa, you will be paying for it for a very long time! | |||
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They're not CITES either. I heard they taste like a Bald eagle but with the texture of Blue Whale | |||
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Thanks MR - we can always count on you for a thumbs up - Jt - PH | |||
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I would say they must be 'well done' to kill the ..................don't let me get started! | |||
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Fairgame-I see that you have started two threads here so far. Why don't you see if you can make them your last.It's not your opinions that are so repugnant, it is simply that your mother did not teach you how to behave properly when addressing grown-ups and superiors. You have contributed nothing of value. Go play somewhere else. We seldom get to choose But I've seen them go both ways And I would rather go out in a blaze of glory Than to slowly rot away! | |||
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My initial reaction when I read the title of this thread was "Oh crap" or words to that effect. I think that pretty well states my opinion of such a topic. I haven't figured out where fairgame is coming from with his topic selections but I do believe he needs to work on his interpersonal communications skills.  Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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I do not think that Mr Fairgame would, in any shape or form, consider any of the posters on this forum to be his "superiors". (certainly not from a hunting perspective). However such a conceited comment is hardly surprising, given some of the inflated egos that frequent this forum.  | |||
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Another couple of armchair experts, I rest my case.  | |||
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Well...it is one less tip you need to pay... USE THIS AMMO TO LESSEN THE CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING...   | |||
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Genuine question with no perfect answer.. This actually happined (either last year or late 2008) to the blood relative of a very well known africa hunter. I dont know the final outcome BUT there were a number of serious issues that surfaced and it was in fact discussed on this very forum as well. Cheers, Peter | |||
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I guess it depends on what type of a person you are. I don't see it as any different than hunting with friends or guests here in the USA. The trackers I hunt with I always end up considering as my very good friends.I know what I would do, same as I would do here,, I woulldn't have to ask the question either. If you have to consider possiblilities,, you need to ask what type of a person you are,, and John Fredrick,, no armchair necessary you can make more money, you can not make more time | |||
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First thing you do is ask if anybody else can track? | |||
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Glad I'm not the only one who smells a troll! Please don't feed the poor, mindless bastard! You'll only make him hang around longer. If you read the "Cats n Dogs" and it's apparent less than transparent original title and opening statement, you can see this asshat has an axe to grind with CB. | |||
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You left out: Solid or Bonded FPS Grain of projectile Crosswind? Jeff | |||
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How do you measure them for Rowland-Ward or SCI medal ratings? Rich | |||
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MR, you sir are a pragmatic man. | |||
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Wouldn't it be considered fair chase if both the PH and Trackers are all armed. Well at least all the armed persons in the group would be fair game! | |||
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This likely only happens to hunters that are "too fat" or "too gay" while shooting push feeds and wearing less than adequate gear on their belt. Ugh! Thank God the beginning of the African hunting season is upon us. Fat, gay, shot dead trackers, and all of the other "AR cabin fever" posts are about to go back on the shelf. Bring on the REAL hunting talk and the 2010 hunt reports. . . NOW! Will J. Parks, III | |||
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It's fair chase as long as you didn't shoot them in a tennis court. | |||
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1: thin skinned = bonded or lead solids will work 2: FPS: As long as it leaves the barrel it's fast enough 3: grains: we don stinkin care about grains! 4: crosswind: At 15 feet? 5: order: Guys who are armed get it first... | |||
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Now that's just funny!!!! | |||
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I cnt help but notice the similarities between Fairgames last two threads and Chobe Bushbuck.......who has thankfully disappeared................are these two the same guy??  6x NFR Qualifier NFR Champion Reserve World Champion Bareback Rider PRCA Million Dollar Club 02' Salt Lake Olympic Qualifier and an all around good guy! | |||
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oh God. here we go again. the river must be rising cause the trolls are heading for high ground. the only place you can shoot trackers/PH's is in certain Zambian concessions provided the quota hasn't been filled. and archery gear is illegal, as is the use of specialized curs to follow them up. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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also, you must shoot them during daylight hours and only from a proper blind with the rifle on a solid rest. anything else is obviously unethical and an affront to any hunter. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… | |||
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I was thinking the same thing on the other post, but some of the members here said they know him, so I guess he fooled me if he is. I really don't think they are one in the same. Anyway you look at it, shooting a tracker or a PH would be an awful thing to do, and I sure would not want to live with it, regardless of the circumstances. It would be possible to do in a tight situation with DG, I think there is even a greater risk of shooting your PH, because he is usually closer to you than the trackers when you are shooting, and would be quicker to jump into the thick of things. I have to draw the line on joking about that one. I would think it would be one big mess, and it does happen from time to time. | |||
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Fairgame, Going by your track record so far, I bet the next topic you will start will be about the ethics of hunting Professional Hunters or trackers using hounds. The price of knowledge is great but the price of ignorance is even greater. | |||
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This dosnt even deserve the dignity of a reply. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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Second thing you ask if anyone knows of a good taxidermist | |||
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Good to see that many have a good sense of humour. Beleive me these sort of incidents happen and most of you never here about. For example a PH was shot and wounded here by a client last year. The case was seemingly resolved around the camp fire and I am not sure but presume he was handsomely tipped. However the PH got a little greedy and ignored the handshake and sought legal action much to the dismay of the client. When sitting in a blind I do not read I think and I have often thought what would I do if the client accidentally shot one of us? Yes I am paid to protect the client but where really do my responsibilities end? In most countries shooting someone is considered a crime, accident or not and there is usually a lengthy legal process attached to this. One which is to be well avoided in Africa. There is fine PH currently languishing in a Zimbabwe jail as it was rumoured that he had shot someone? Food for thought and maybe the next time you plan your trip here might be worth asking your agent what if? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Fairgame- Rusty didn't shoot anyone- He hit him...and people rusty hit generally stay that way and anyway, that was a 'political' case. Trackers have been shot before- and killed, by both the PH and clients. And No Zimbabwe law has never been based in English common law (like Botswana uses), rather we have always used Roman-Dutch common law (because Rhodesia didn't start out as a colony- Britain only took over the 'administration' of Rhodeisa in 1923 by which time laws were already in place). Also, Zimbabwe police (CID dept) are quite good...and the foresnsic ballistics dept very good. Just becuase the average cop at a road block or overseeing a mob of malitia trashing a farm is an illiterate baboon, do not assume all are. Like anywhere else in the world, altering the scene of the crime makes you guilty. You are perfectly justified in going to your embassy, but, if it was an accident, the police will soon work that out. If it was your fault, they will work that out as well. Settling the matter of compensation in Zim is one hell of alot cheaper than settling the matter in the USA! If it is murder, well then like those two Norwegian idiots sitting in jail in the congo...get out fast. Much nicer to sit in a 1st world jail than listen to the mob demanding your hanging in a 3rd world one. | |||
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Thanks Ganyana for not shouting at me. I was guessing at Zimbabwe and just presumed the Rhodesias would have embraced the same legal system. Never knew Rusty and hope he is being looked after by you chaps. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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