THE ACCURATERELOADING.COM AFRICAN HUNTING FORUM


Moderators: Saeed
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Shooting practice for Africa
 Login/Join
 
One of Us
Picture of kiwiwildcat
posted
Hey guys,

How do you practice for your safari hunt in Africa? That is, how many loads to you fire through your gun, what targets do you shoot at and at what ranges and what else do you do?


She was only the Fish Mongers daughter. But she lay on the slab and said 'fillet'
 
Posts: 511 | Location: Auckland, New Zealand. | Registered: 22 February 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of cal pappas
posted Hide Post
K:
Here is what I did on my last hunt and it screwed me up big time. As on any of my international hunts I practice at my home range in Alaska 4-6 weeks before the hunt. I shoot off hand 6-10 shots per day with the double rifle(s) I plan to hunt with. It worked until I bought the Wilkes .600 and planned an August 2008 buffalo hunt in Zimbabwe. All of my practice shooting was slow, deliberate aim at 50 yards and all offhand. I hit the target well and was very comfortable with the recoil. Now, here is where the problem was. When I shot my buff with a frontal chest shot at about 60 yards the buff's head went down and off he went and I knew he was hit hard. In the brush, with the excitement of the hunt, and my PH also excited, I took several quick, snap, shots as the buff showed himself quickly in the brush. One does not shoot a .600 quickly--at least I can't--and all my shots went high as I was putting too much bead in the V of the back sight. Tomorrow (4-2) will be my first shooting day of the season and this will be one thing I will work on. I didn't hide it in the video of the hunt that was posted here as there are too many one shot kills that are questionable. I took a lot of heat for the poor shooting but it is what it is. For my next hunts I will practice the same number of shots, the same weeks prior to the hunt, all off hand, but will include many quick snap shots so I don't screw it up again. PS. A bench is only for sighting in the rifle--everything else should be offhand, with shooting sticks, or leaning against a tree--just as it is in the bush.
Cheers,
Cal


_______________________________

Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska
www.CalPappas.com
www.CalPappas.blogspot.com
1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
______________________________
 
Posts: 7281 | Location: Willow, Alaska | Registered: 29 June 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Mike_Dettorre
posted Hide Post
1. Ask you PH what kind of sticks he has tripod vs bi-pod type

2. Make your self a set and practice shooting from 50-200 yards. In most places there will be very few shots over 200 yards

3. Practice shooting and immediately cycling your bolt or lever.

4. Practice getting on target quickly and getting your shot off.

5. A 30-40 rounds off the sticks should get you tuned up just fine assuming you are already a reasonable shot.


Mike

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.



What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
Posts: 10144 | Location: Loving retirement in Boise, ID | Registered: 16 December 2003Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Andrew McLaren
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
..................... A bench is only for sighting in the rifle--everything else should be offhand, with shooting sticks, or leaning against a tree--just as it is in the bush.
Cheers,
Cal


A bench is best used for accuracy testing of a rifle & load combination. I have seen bench shooting styles that - although the guy gets good groupings - does cause quite a different Point of Impact (PoI) than when shooting offhand. The way you hold your rifle does have an effect on PoI. So, once you have a good load and your rifle is sighted in at the bench do also check the PoI by shooting off sticks, leaning against a tree, sitting on your backside and supporting the rifle over your knees, standing offhand and lastly snap shooting offhand!

If you are going on a plains game safari, concentrate on the supported shooting, i.e. off sticks, leaning against a tree/fencepost/ more or less horizontal branch and a real difficult one for some resting the rifle over a termite mound. If however you are going on a DG safari, concentrate your practicing efforts on offhand shooting and snap shooting. By all means do the other exercises also, but do a lot of deliberate aimed offhand shooting. As Cal advises, also practice quick snap shooting - that is where your life may be at stake! It's OK finding out, like Cal did, that your snap shooting results in a to high PoI on a buffalo running away! You don't want to find that out on a buffalo charging at you! Neither does your PH! Big Grin

How much should you practice? Until you know very well what your typical group size with the different rests is. With practice your group size will [should?] decrease, but will never get as good as the rifle can do off a bench. If you can consistently produce about [just my guess] 6 – 8 inch groups at 100 yards you will be a star! If you never get better than, say about 12 inches at 100 yards, try to improve, but tell your PH what you can do. He will then adjust the distance at which he will allow you to take shots so that you should be able to land the PoI into the vital area each time. Sure, getting to know what group size you can consistently achieve with, for example, snap shooting or from sticks, requires a lot of shooting. But that is exactly the idea – do a lot of shooting before any shooting at costly or dangerous wild animals! But get to know your own limitations and live with those. I will not publicly admit what my best typical grouping at snap shooting is at 100 yards, but I’m confident I can do what is required under stress at 10 yards! Similarly I just know if I’m able to make a clean kill at that springbok way out there by shooting from this termite mound. No, I’m not claiming to be a good shot, but I know and try to take hunting shots only within my shooting ability. So, if you practice enough to know your shooting ability, and you tell your PH, you should be good!

I cannot help but think of the words of South Africa’s famous golfer Garry Player: “The more I practice, the luckier I get!” Go get luckier!

Enjoy your preparations and you will also enjoy the safari! Wink


Andrew McLaren
Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974.

http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa!
Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com


After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that:

One can cure:

Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it.


One cannot cure:

Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules!


My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt!



 
Posts: 1799 | Location: Soutpan, Free State, South Africa | Registered: 19 January 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Dear Kiwi

Between our family of 4 we fired of about 2500 rim fire rounds. Along with 500 centre fire rounds.

If using the guides gun practice with your friends.

Shoot of sticks, 60% of our shots were done this way.

Shot of trees and fallen branches.

Build your confidence of the bench first.

Practice breathing when doing off hand shooting. I come from under the target and move up.

Fill empty coke can's coke plastic bottles. A more exciting hit on a target keeps you interested.

We also use small steel targets cut out into animal shapes and knock them over. Set them up in groups so 1 mag full should knock down 1 lot.

Finally we use life size paper targets.
Place a bush in front of them, turn them to try to make a real hunting situation.

Range 50 to 200 meters is our normal practice distance.

Being a Kiwi long shots should not be a problem.
Find out of the PH what is the average shooting distance and add another 75 meters, focus on that.

Regards Mark
 
Posts: 376 | Location: Australia | Registered: 22 June 2010Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Code4
posted Hide Post
To add to the other good advice posted above:

Learn the fall of shot of the ammo you will use by shooting it at different ranges out to at least 250 yards. DO NOT rely on ballistics tables or published velocitys. They are rarely accurate in real world conditions
 
Posts: 1433 | Location: Australia | Registered: 21 March 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I spent a long cold winter watching DVDs of African hunting and it amazes me the number of times I have watched hunters fumbling trying to save their brass immediately after a shot and then putting it in their pocket. I just watched Boddington on Buffalo II and there is Craig doing that very thing. Brass is cheap compared to a lost trophy fee. When you practice eject your brass to the ground and then pick it up later. Also practice reloading quickly not looking at the gun. Reload from your ammo belt or set up you plan to use in Africa not from a plastic box on the bench.
 
Posts: 3073 | Location: Pittsburgh, PA | Registered: 11 November 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Jriley
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by LJS:
I spent a long cold winter watching DVDs of African hunting and it amazes me the number of times I have watched hunters fumbling trying to save their brass immediately after a shot and then putting it in their pocket. I just watched Boddington on Buffalo II and there is Craig doing that very thing. Brass is cheap compared to a lost trophy fee. When you practice eject your brass to the ground and then pick it up later. Also practice reloading quickly not looking at the gun. Reload from your ammo belt or set up you plan to use in Africa not from a plastic box on the bench.


Very good advice. I pick up brass at the range after each shot and I found myself doing that in Africa as well. Luckily I haven't lost an animal yet, but if I keep doing it it will probably happen.
I had a coach that used to tell me to "practice like you play." That is good advice in this situation.
 
Posts: 295 | Registered: 23 December 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of Grumulkin
posted Hide Post
So sorry, but I always pick up my brass and probably won't change that practice unless I'm hunting dangerous game. Of course, since that's usually with a single shot, it's not that hard.

As for practice, I don't think it's as much how much you shoot as to how you shoot. Spraying shots at tin cans isn't as useful in my mind as taking the best shots one can in a controlled and measurable fashion. Also, I don't think shooting 500 rounds within a couple of weeks is as useful as shooting 500 rounds in 2 or 3 months.
 
Posts: 2911 | Location: Ohio, U.S.A. | Registered: 31 March 2006Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
When we were practicing for our plains game hunt in '09, we shot the vast majority of the time off of sticks. (Three bamboo poles from Lowe's strapped together with a vacuum cleaner belt). Unlike the guys here, nearly all of my practice was with three different .22LR guns (a CZ452, a Ruger Single Six Hunter and a T/C Contender) fired at some rimfire silhouettes at ranges to 100 yds. (All but one of the game animals taken during the hunt was with a handgun.) The silhouette animals were scaled down enough to simulate shooting at a much longer range and the bullet strikes on the black painted metal showed point of impact.

Admittedly, I didn't get to learn about the trajectory of my actual hunting guns this way but I knew enough about their rounds ahead of time.
 
Posts: 277 | Location: Murphy, TX | Registered: 21 July 2009Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Just tell the boys you want your brass
..... and recycle and shoot again til whatever it is is down!

Don't forget the old "dryfire" in your living room to practice mechanics!

If PG, you MUST know what the rifle of choice will do out to 350m.....if DG, knowing from 80m down shud work.
 
Posts: 696 | Location: Soddy Daisy, TN USA | Registered: 05 February 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Just shoot.
Standing, kneeling, off sticks at different ranges. Practice setting the sticks up after each shot and purposely don't set them perfect each time. Sometimes you'll have to stand up taller or cruch down lower than you'd like becuase of a lack of time to adjust the sticks. Take a break and jog a little, get your heart rate up and then immediately shoot, multiple times. Practice cycling without lowering your bolt rifle (very important). Wear your cartridge belt and practice pulling rounds and feeding them in the mag. Even with the elevated heart rate, keep yourself under control. If it's a double, practice 2 quick shots, re-load quickly and 2 more.
Even though I promote quickness, always remember, each shot has to be controlled as if it's your only shot. Pulling a trigger is the easiest part of shooting, its setting up and preparing to pull that trigger under differing conditions that will make you a good shooter.
Always, aim small, miss small, even when your excited.
Good luck.
 
Posts: 444 | Location: Alaska | Registered: 11 February 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Like your "adage" very much AH----aim small, miss small!!!
Good advise to all even on an Ele ear hole!
 
Posts: 696 | Location: Soddy Daisy, TN USA | Registered: 05 February 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I hunt jack rabbits with the guns I take to take to Africa. As silly as it sounds to go after the little beasts with a 375 or 458 they are great practice, they are small, fast and require a quick and likely multiple shots.

When I told the PH I did this he thought it was hilarious. About the third day he asked if I really used a 375 to hunt rabbits and he said he was going to tell all his clients to do it.

Mark
 
Posts: 1245 | Location: Arizona | Registered: 09 January 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Code4:
To add to the other good advice posted above:

Learn the fall of shot of the ammo you will use by shooting it at different ranges out to at least 250 yards. DO NOT rely on ballistics tables or published velocitys. They are rarely accurate in real world conditions


I've found Remington's tables for their 300 grain A Frame .375 load to be quite accurate, actually. I have made several shots out to 300 yards using their corrections, starting from a hundred yard zero, and succeeded. Can't speak for other companies. but those numbers worked for me quite often.
 
Posts: 11729 | Location: Florida | Registered: 25 October 2006Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of Blacktailer
posted Hide Post
quote:
Don't forget the old "dryfire" in your living room to practice mechanics!

This is great advice. You should be totally familiar with your rifle. If you practice you should never have to look at your firearm to load, cycle the action or fumble for the safety. All of this plus practice of field shooting positions can be accomplished in your living room at no cost. With dummy rounds of course! homer


Have gun- Will travel
The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark
 
Posts: 3830 | Location: Cave Creek, AZ | Registered: 09 August 2001Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I developed my loads on a bench and moved to shooting sticks. I started at 50 yards shoting pie plates then moved to 100 and then 200. I found shooting bulleyes very difficult off sticks. My range at the time had steel hanging targets at 200m, 300m, 385m and 500m. I practised two quick shots off the sticks at the 200m chicken. I got so I was hitting the chicken 9/10 or better most days. The quick followup practise really helped when we got to Africa as the critters didn't always fall over right away.
 
Posts: 475 | Location: Moncton, New Brunswick | Registered: 30 August 2003Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of MikeBurke
posted Hide Post
Lots of good advice on here. Shoot offhand and on the sticks.

I also like the Perfect Shot targets as I find it more challenging to shoot the animal targets than bullseye targets especially with iron sights.

My wife is hunting now and she has been shooting plenty of 22 rimfire. Today we worked off the sticks with her 7 by 57 and me being the "PH". We walked up to the firing line, I put the sticks down, told her what to shoot, and she would fire. I believe she is a better shot than me!!
 
Posts: 2953 | Registered: 26 March 2008Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I would add that you should procatice getting on the sticks when you get to camp, with whoever will be holding them. This is especially true for me, a lefthanded shooter. Focus on height, placement, etc.
 
Posts: 2827 | Location: Seattle, in the other Washington | Registered: 26 April 2006Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
I shoot once a week at the 200 yard 10 inch gong from the sticks; sometimes I take a few standing sans sticks. I use a .223. A few months before, I switch to my .416.

Sometimes I go a few weeks before I miss the 10 inch gong, but I still practice every week.


Don't Ever Book a Hunt with Jeff Blair
http://forums.accuratereloadin...821061151#2821061151

 
Posts: 7578 | Location: Arizona and off grid in CO | Registered: 28 July 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
Long range shots are the easy part...Better do some stress innoculation: Practice rapid fire shots on targets inside 20 yards and as close as 5. Everybody knows how to shoot at range under relaxed conditions. However, when bad stuff happens and critters come in real close it is good to know where your weapon prints!

Been there!

JW
 
Posts: 2554 | Registered: 23 January 2005Reply With Quote
one of us
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Wemmer:
Long range shots are the easy part...Better do some stress innoculation: Practice rapid fire shots on targets inside 20 yards and as close as 5. Everybody knows how to shoot at range under relaxed conditions. However, when bad stuff happens and critters come in real close it is good to know where your weapon prints!

Been there!

JW


Jeff,

I guarantee if you ding the gong at 200 yards you won't have any trouble shooting at 20 yards. Now if you can simulate a moving target coming at you, fine. But I am going to go out on a limb and say charging DG at 20 yards happens because you screwed up shot No.1. But I don't know, never been there.

I keep a careful log of the stuff I shoot. I have never had to shoot at anything under 20 yards in the conditions you describe.

I shot a lion at a range approaching 200 yards. I did not have a steady rest. The crosshairs were all over the place. But practice taught me not to shoot until I was sure of being able to place my shot.

The best practice I ever had was when I shot service rifle in the Army. If I muffed a shot I always thought, "If I only had a do-over, I could make that shot."

Now when I am faced with a tough shot I imagine missing. I then wish for my "do-over."
That worked wonders for the above mentioned lion.

I shot an elephant at maybe 15 yards; he didn't go anywhere. The closest I have shot a buffalo was 15-20 yards. None of these shots was remotely "stressful."


Don't Ever Book a Hunt with Jeff Blair
http://forums.accuratereloadin...821061151#2821061151

 
Posts: 7578 | Location: Arizona and off grid in CO | Registered: 28 July 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
As a prior service vet you know the importance of "worst case scenario" training. That is my point.

Under the best of circumstances all game will be humanely and safely dispatched at reasonable ranges, but I for one am prepared for the worst and recommend that everybody on this forum do the same.

Things deteriorate rapidly in the bush - I for one consider it incumbent upon any potentioal DG hunter to train for worst case.

JW
 
Posts: 2554 | Registered: 23 January 2005Reply With Quote
One of Us
Picture of DCS Member
posted Hide Post
One shot that I never was to shoot off the PH's shoulder. Find some unsuspecting buddy who will volunteer his shoulder as a rest.

Also, practice trying to shoot after running/high exertion.


I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills.

Marcus Cady

DRSS
 
Posts: 3458 | Location: Dallas | Registered: 19 March 2008Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of juanpozzi
posted Hide Post
i would go to the safarishootingschool of mont kalogeras or gunsite safari prep course .


www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION .
DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER
DRSS--SCI
NRA
IDPA
IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2-
 
Posts: 6382 | Location: Cordoba argentina | Registered: 26 July 2004Reply With Quote
One of Us
posted Hide Post
I take a drive through the woods with the quad, and staple up paper plates on stumps, dead trees, and on dirt mounds. Then I walk a course, shooting at the plates at varying ranges depending on the caliber, shooting off sticks, kneeling, leaning against trees, and offhand.
 
Posts: 20168 | Location: Very NW NJ up in the Mountains | Registered: 14 June 2009Reply With Quote
one of us
Picture of juanpozzi
posted Hide Post
We shoot all the year and have a shoting schooll at our farm most of the clients are security personel that trains with carbines ,shotguns and pistols ,but lately we are training a lot of hunters.
we use small clasic ipsc targets ,and animal prits targets with the vitals marked.
We began shooting air rifles for mastering the calsic shooting positions ,then we shoot a lot of 22s ,and permit the shooters to take as many doves and periquits they want with the rifle.
then we began with centerfire 100 rounds minimun with several hunting conditions and extreme conditions running and against a timer.
For double rifle shooters we traing first with a double 12 shotgun .
we are conducting too practical matches with bolt action centerfire rifles with ipsc rules.


www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION .
DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER
DRSS--SCI
NRA
IDPA
IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2-
 
Posts: 6382 | Location: Cordoba argentina | Registered: 26 July 2004Reply With Quote
  Powered by Social Strata  
 


Copyright December 1997-2023 Accuratereloading.com


Visit our on-line store for AR Memorabilia

Since January 8 1998 you are visitor #: