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I have a 350 Remington Magnum languishing in my safe. I fact it is getting down right fat and lazy. It's the ruger 77 that has a bit longer magazine box so you don't have to seat the 250 grain bullet so deep that it robs powder space. That is a criticism of the rem short action. (Remember where you heard it first.) Has anyone used this cartridge on Cape Buffalo. (I can hear the roars of laughter.) I am quite serious. With high-end bullets, it's performance should be close to the 9.3x62 and the 9.3x74 if I pull the trigger real hard. In the true AR spirit, I am very interested in your comments - especially if they support my preconceived notions. You true Canuck friend, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | ||
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Great question. I have a .350 in the ugliest rifle on the planet--a Model 600 with an 18" barrel and a plastic vent rib. A friend will use it for caribou this September and it should provide insurance for grizzly. It is actually quite a powerful little cartridge in a very light rifle. But, damn, it's ugly. I look forward to the replies. Thanks for posting this. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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No doubt it could do the job, but illegal most places. | |||
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.375 or the 9.2 series is the minimum legal caliber throughout Southern Africa. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Of course it will work. I regularly hunt our feral water buffalo with .275 and 175 grain softs. | |||
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What they said above, it's not legal in most all countries. Having said that, the same question was asked of Boddington about the 35 Whelen, and he said yes, it would work. One of my African PHs has said that he has used a 30.06 on Buffalo with good success. Of course, we all know, killing and stopping can be two different criteria. | |||
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Buffalo have been taken with less, what's the best bullet and velocity that you can load? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Well, just shoot them from 200 yards? Back to bullets: 225 TSX is out there or a 250 Partition. The legality issue is why I ended up trading my .350rm for a 9.3x62. I doubt there's all that much killing difference between the two though... Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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If you read Col Charles Askins (sp) from the 1950s you will see that he took a Savage 99 in 358 Win to Africa and used it on a lot of game. Not sure if he shot any DG with it but he did well on all the big PG. He got great results on Zebra out to 250 meters IIRC. To put things in perspective, the 350 Rem Mag is very similar in performance to the 35 Whelan with 250 gr bullets. So it is in the same class as the the 9.3X74r - Just a little bit less than the 9.3x62 (about 150 fps with 286 gr bullets) Leaving the legal minimum issue aside - the 350 Rem Mag with a CEB or TSX 250 gr bullet should do the same kind of damage on buffalo as a 9.3X74R with 250 gr bullets. That tells me that it is not in the same league as a 286 gr bullet - making it very marginal. All this is my theoretical opinion and a fun exercise on a wet cold Winter Sunday! On the other hand - the 350 Rem Mag cartridge would be fine on thin skinned DG like Lion, leopard etc. Just look at Pondoro Taylor's book on big game cartridges and his praise of the various 9.3s, 360s and 350s! "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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A 243 Win will kill a cape buffalo if hit in the right place! That fact doesn't make the 243 Win a cape buffalo cartridge however. The 350 Rem mag will certainly take cape buffalo but it is illegal for that purpose in just about any country you can name. That being said there are many cartridges like the 350 Rem Mag that are illegal for the buffalo and elephant and in a few places even illegal for the African lion. Even though many of those same animals are taken with illegal arms every day by poachers, but some poachers are taken by those animals as well because of their choice of firearms. ...............................................................rules are rules!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Thank you for the input. It is very useful to me. I hope there are more. I would like to respond to some comments: First the legal issue. It had to be mentioned and thanks to those who did so. I am a much better person for it. Surefire7. Very good point regarding the difference between killing and stopping a cape buffalo. There is all the difference in the world between taking your first shot at a docile bull 30 yds away and watching him gallop off, and coming upon him three hours later where he is vindictively waiting to charge and kill you. Your point is central to whole endeaver. For this discussion I am asking about the first shot from which he will, hopefully, only go about 40 yards. Fjold. 250 grain tough soft point bullet or solids at 2500 fps. Swift, NorthFork, Rhino. or similar. (Cutting Rdge does not have a 35 cal) I would rather not get into a bullet debate. Bullet are like religion. (Many hunters believe that Accubonds came to us through devine intervention and that to love a TSX bullet is to be born again.) Cal: the model 600 in 350 Rem Mag was great little carbine with lots of guts. Quite innovative at the time. But you are right, it was so ugly that only it's mother could love it. Thanks to all for the good comments. Please don't stop. I am learning . Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Brian, I gotta ask you this,how many buff have you shot in your life? DRSS | |||
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I can't comment on dangerous game but the .350 RM is my favorite black bear cartridge. I like it because it seems to put them down right now rather then having them run off somewhere. I use 225 gr. Nosler partitions. They have worked so well I haven't tried many other bullets. Mine is a Remington 673. Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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Bill, Two. Why? Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Cougarz, That's actually what I got my 350 RM for but I have not hunted with it yet. I thought I would try that 225 gr. Nosler partition as well as the 250 gr. Swift. Nice little jet boat rifle for moose too. It's just another project rifle. It will get a 23 inch heavy barrel on it. (the factory is a very light 21 incher.) I have a nice blank of fancy fiddle-back walnut for it. I enjoy the wood work part of a project. Then I got to thinking that I might take it to Africa for a do-it-all rifle. So, I appreciate what people here are telling me. Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Brian, Sounds like a fun project rifle. I just got back from Alberta were my guide/friend was disappointed I didn't bring it this time. He says that rifle has a lot of mojo on bears. I was originally looking for a m600 or better a m660 Remington but couldn't find one at a decent price. They are pretty popular in western Washington for elk in the timber. In 2003 when Remington made the m673 I bought it. I like the 22 inch barrel, though I think anything from 20 to 22 is about right. The m600's 18 inch barrel has too much muzzle blast for my taste. As Cal says it isn't the prettiest rifle ever made. Actually I kind of like it when I show it someone who has never seen one. Most get a puzzled look on their faces and ask if I built it that way. I would love to put together one on a Winchester m70 Classic short action.  Roger ___________________________ I'm a trophy hunter - until something better comes along. *we band of 45-70ers* | |||
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I was born and raised in Alberta. Those little remingtons were great. That 18 inch M660 was a noisy bugger! My new barrel may end up at 22 inches too. Very practical length with that kind of cartridge. As you probably know that "new" winchester is an excellent action. Very well finished with an excellent trigger. Nicer than a Ruger or even the CZ in that way. You probably know about B&M Rifles and Cartridges. They have done a lot of wildcat research and innovations around that winchester short action. They know what they are doing and they sure like that action. Cheers, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Good rifle picture on the bear rug. (Looks like a nice spring bear too.) They were quite a progressive design at the time. Iron sights mounted high so the stock could be straighter. Nice to shoot. The laminated stock was outragious at the time but it kinda cool today. Also, I see you mounted a perfect scope and take-off mounts. What a great rig. Thanks for posting. Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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It's just a simple question Brian Don't get all bristled " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Brian: Jeff Cooper of Gunsite fame used a 350 Rem mag on his first cape buffalo hunt which did not conclude to his satisfaction. That is why he built "Baby" in 460 G&A. I asked him if his first hunt would have been more successful if his 350 mag had one of today's premium bullets and his answer was an emphatic no. He did not elaborate and I did not continue the line of questioning. | |||
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My reason for asking? I am kinda surprised that after killing two buff you would still consider taking a 350 mag on a DG hunt? Now if you had nothing else to hunt with?I would say go for it & so would I in that scenario,sure you can kill with it,but it's pretty marginal when the shit hits the fan,no offense meant as hunting & weapons are a personal choice,I look for a quick death & enough gun for the job. DRSS | |||
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As far as I know Mozambique does not have a minimum caliber for DG neither most of west africa, I have no doubt it would work with proper bullets, Bill Jones shot one with a 6.5x53r, Shockey killed a savannah buffalo recently with a .300 win mag, Marc Watts shot two with a .338 lazzeroni, the late Allen Day shot two cape buff with a .300 win mag also. | |||
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95% of elephant poached and rifles recovered cartridge cases picked up through the anti poaching in omay have been 303 rimmed British with a lot of the cases old military cordite rounds. Outside of legal requirements but will definitely work on a buff. | |||
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I had a Rem 700 Classic in 350 that I used a fair bit but my wife gave me a CZ 550 in 9.3x62 and I also have a 375 H&H. I sold the 350 a few years ago. I never used it on dangerous game but I did shoot a couple of elk with it. I think with good bullets it will work but like others have noted it isn't legal in many regions. | |||
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Bill73, I see what you mean. Yes, Something like a 350 Rem Mag is not the first choice for Cape buffalo, for sure. I am thankful/fortunate to say that I have lots of choices of legal rifles to hunt buffalo with. From 375 to 577 NE. I just can't stop fiddling with something different. Being retired, I get to follow my wandering mind. I have a PH pal who has used 338 WM successfully ( used Rhino bullets, I think) and BenKK here on AR, is using a 7mm on a regular basis for water buffalo. My 375 HH with CEB solids worked so well that it got me to thinking about 350RM. (One Shot at 22 paces, end to end straight penetration.) This Sept. I go for three cape buffalos with my home built single shot 577NE. - 700 gr cast bullet at 1800 fps. That will be the other end of the scale. ( See "Brian Shoots" for a 10 secont video on You Tube.) What do you like for cape buffalo? Cheers, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Benkk, Thanks for your post. Do I have it right? When you say .275 , that is 7x57? Thanks for the clarification. Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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bobmm, Thanks for the post, Jeff Cooper! I read his stuff faithfully. You were fortunate to have talked with him. To me, he seemed like he was the real deal. I can imagine him giving you one straight, definitive answer and that would be "nuff said". I think he liked the 350RM in his scout rifle for Lion if my memory is right. I still like your point about modern premium bullets, although back in the day, bitterroot, barns, woodleigh and maybe others had premium bullets. I don't know for sure; I was always too broke and too busy to investigate any dangerous game adventures. There are some wonderful bullets out today. Thanks again for the very relevant post. Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Chris: I would bet that 90% of the poached ele in Africa are shot with a 7.62 NATO round. Doesn't mean I would take a 308 win on an elephant hunt if it were my trophy fee riding on the outcome. | |||
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Manuel, That is very interesting info. I would like to have seen those kills. I wonder what bullets they used. It goes back to making the first shot count with a good bullet that gets to the heart. As far as the legal issue is concerned, I can't imagine it mattering very much in South Africa. Now, in Canada, it would be a hanging offence. They would fine you, confiscate your rifle, your truck and your balls. Manuel, Please tell us about M&M Sonoran Adventures. Thanks, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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TommyII, Thanks for the post. You have good taste in rifles. Cheerrs, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Christopher, You make a good statement. It brings perspective to the table. I read "The Hunting BlackBeards of Botswana." (Good read.) The youn men in the family went off and hunted lion with dads old 303 british. I can't remember what bullet they used but I wouldn't be surprized if it was just military ammo. When they get back home their mother, reportedly, had some very specific thinks to say to them. Thanks for the post, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Frank, One more thing that I have been meaning to talk to you about. That lovely girl bouncng along in your signature post: She is my daughter. Please clarify your intensions. Brian. PS. Stronger note to follow. B IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Naki, Thanks for the post, The only 358 bullet that CEB shows is their ER-150-Raptor. I will sure load it for hunting non-dangerous game. It would strech out the range of the 350RM. Cheers, Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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Brian: Regarding premium bullets whatever the performance improvement in 35 caliber would be the same in 41 caliber. My last buff hunt with Corris Ferreira of Track-A-Hunt Safaris cost $14,000 with another $3000 for airfare and trophy shipping. I bought a Ruger Alaskan rifle in 416 Ruger for $700 that resulted in 4 dead buffalo and 2 dead zebra in 6 shots fired using Swift A-Frame 400 grain bullets. My first hunt for buffalo was unsuccessful but cost $9000. Amortized over 2 hunts the rifle was less than 3% of the total hunt cost. Buy yourself a rifle in an adequate caliber. Being from BC, that stainless Ruger with Hogue stock would be perfect for Brown Bear protection after Africa. Regarding Cooper I was a Navy Lieutenant attending Orange Gunsite soon after it opened (there was only generator power) when he rolled up on his 3-wheeler. It was a pretty relaxed atmosphere until he showed up but I distinctly remember the sound of tightening sphincters from the staff after his appearance. During a break I asked him the bullet question. Even a wet behind the ears Lieutenant knows when a conversation is over. But the amazing thing was that about 20 minutes later he shows up again at the range with "Baby" to show me. He had driven all the way back to the armory at the Sconce to retrieve his rifle and returned just to talk buffalo rifles with a dumbass kid who at that time had a better chance to visit the moon than hunt in Africa. | |||
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A Model 600 may not win any beauty awards, but it's far from the "blister a hounds ass" type of ugly known as Blaser!  | |||
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Todd: You're correct as usual. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Yes, a very old Rigby .275 (7x57mm). Bullets are Woodleigh 175 grain PPSN. Hits with authority. Have used Winchester 1894 .30/30 with the heaviest factory ammunition I could find (Federal). Much less suitable, much more stressful. A .22-250 with Barnes TSX (55 grains) is better (though still not recommended). | |||
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The use of a 350 Mag on African game is nothing new. Back in the day it had a different name, the 350 Rigby. Check the ballistics, same thing in a different case, and had a great reputation. | |||
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theback40, That is very interesting. Same ballistics exactly. It had never occured to me to check that. From Wikipedia. Taylor wrote of the .350 Rigby: "There is nothing spectacular about this cartridge; it has never had the write-up that the .318 and .375 Magnum get from time to time; nevertheless, it is a splendidly effective shell and at ranges of up to at least 150 yards kills as instantaneously as the .375 Magnum. In addition, it has an appreciably lighter recoil."[6] Thanks for the post. Brian IHMSA BC Provincial Champion and Perfect 40 Score, Unlimited Category, AAA Class. | |||
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