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Originally posted by jdollar:
So the $2-4000/day you pay in daily rates doesn’t include the delivery of your food. You have to pay for that, too? Damn, what a deal for the company. They get to mark up the charter fees to the client( and I was told that by a Tz outfitter and his former partner, whose is a good friend). No wonder the safari business there is getting shaky. Say it ain’t so!!

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What about all the other cargo that got put on a truck and disappeared to another camp?

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They get to mark up the charter fees to the client( and I was told that by a Tz outfitter and his former partner, whose is a good friend).

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Zim conservancies are better than tanz for me . You get to see live elephants and rhinos too.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Zim conservancies are better than tanz for me . You get to see live elephants and rhinos too.

Its a free world - by all means go to Zim.

You might even be lucky and get to see Old Bob walking down the street and get his autograph.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Zim conservancies are better than tanz for me . You get to see live elephants and rhinos too.

Its a free world - by all means go to Zim.

You might even be lucky and get to see Old Bob walking down the street and get his autograph.

And I do and I go to Botswana and Moz too.

Just don’t bitch when all the famous high dollar operators shut down in Tanzania.

I feel pretty safe in Zim and Botswana.

I will be fishing in Tanzania, Kenya, Moz and Madagascar. Will leave the hunting to others.

Mike

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Zim conservancies are better than tanz for me . You get to see live elephants and rhinos too.

Its a free world - by all means go to Zim.

You might even be lucky and get to see Old Bob walking down the street and get his autograph.

And I do and I go to Botswana and Moz too.

Just don’t bitch when all the famous high dollar operators shut down in Tanzania.

I feel pretty safe in Zim and Botswana.

I will be fishing in Tanzania, Kenya, Moz and Madagascar. Will leave the hunting to others.

Mike

As I said Mike, "Its a free world" and I certainly am not the one bitching.

On more interesting topics, where in TZ will you be fishing?

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
OH,MY, seems this is a sensitive subject...thought it was only me!!

I expect the reason we have seen the proliferation of Cessna Caravans is the fact that avgas is getting harder and harder to get all over the world, consequently even MORE EXPENSIVE, and that most countries have abandoned 100/130 octane for 100 Low Lead which the bigger old Cessna 206 and twins like the 402-414, and Piper Navajo all like...and they stopped producing those old Queens...so they are now over 30 years old and hard to maintain...let alone make passengers comfortable and confident!! Cessna stopped building all piston singles in 1986 when the Product Liability insurance got to be more expensive than the aircraft!! The Statute of Repose finally was passed in US which gives manufacturers protection from frivolous attorneys...Cessna started producing again in 2000...and by then the CARAVAN's had taken hold. further, you can operate a turbine on Diesel in a pinch, and all of the airlines use Jet-A fuel...so it is available at any airport where there is commercial service.
Clearly, the Caravan is an overkill for most bush and safari requirements....but that's what the operators have gone to....so we all pay...much more than necessary because of the bigger and more expensive aircraft....

An interesting observation I have made over the years is that even VERY Wealthy folks recoil at outrageous prices...and eventually, prices tend to settle back to the "no Squawks" levels over time. When Daddy Warbucks just pays...it only validates ridiculous or outrageous pricing...which affects all buyers...like others have said, if the package doesn't add up...don't do it...the operators eventually get the point!! I have not hunted TZ, either!!

Cheers,

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Originally posted by jdollar:

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Originally posted by 470EDDY:
OH,MY, seems this is a sensitive subject...thought it was only me!!

I expect the reason we have seen the proliferation of Cessna Caravans is the fact that avgas is getting harder and harder to get all over the world, consequently even MORE EXPENSIVE, and that most countries have abandoned 100/130 octane for 100 Low Lead which the bigger old Cessna 206 and twins like the 402-414, and Piper Navajo all like...and they stopped producing those old Queens...so they are now over 30 years old and hard to maintain...let alone make passengers comfortable and confident!! Cessna stopped building all piston singles in 1986 when the Product Liability insurance got to be more expensive than the aircraft!! The Statute of Repose finally was passed in US which gives manufacturers protection from frivolous attorneys...Cessna started producing again in 2000...and by then the CARAVAN's had taken hold. further, you can operate a turbine on Diesel in a pinch, and all of the airlines use Jet-A fuel...so it is available at any airport where there is commercial service.
Clearly, the Caravan is an overkill for most bush and safari requirements....but that's what the operators have gone to....so we all pay...much more than necessary because of the bigger and more expensive aircraft....

An interesting observation I have made over the years is that even VERY Wealthy folks recoil at outrageous prices...and eventually, prices tend to settle back to the "no Squawks" levels over time. When Daddy Warbucks just pays...it only validates ridiculous or outrageous pricing...which affects all buyers...like others have said, if the package doesn't add up...don't do it...the operators eventually get the point!! I have not hunted TZ, either!!

Cheers,

But look at it this way. The Caravan allows the outfitter to bring a LOT of supplies each trip-on your dime of course. Saves them a lot to have the clients pay to supply the camp.....

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The issue I would have is if my outfitter is marking up prices with charter company or getting a kickback.

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But look at it this way. The Caravan allows the outfitter to bring a LOT of supplies each trip-on your dime of course. Saves them a lot to have the clients pay to supply the camp..... coffee

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I would like to fish Latham Island for monster dog tooth tuna.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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I would like to fish Latham Island for monster dog tooth tuna.

My son does fishing charters PM me if interested.

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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I would like to fish Latham Island for monster dog tooth tuna.

My son does fishing charters PM me if interested.

Pm sent.

Thanks,

Mike

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Every business marks prices up, or they would go bust!

You buy at X price, you sell at X+Y.

Nothing wrong with that.

I see in the US that a woman was suing McDonalds for $5 millions because she ordered a cheeseburger, without, the cheese, and they did not get the price of the cheese deducted from the price!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Speak to God! He will get you a plane!

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Originally posted by larryshores:


We have too many lawyers in this country. Our system needs to changed to where the loser pays the costs and this type of thing would stop.

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Originally posted by jorge:
All I can tell you guys is I know a little about aircraft operating costs and what most charge in Africa, is criminal. I was ready to book another Safari in Zim a few years back that included a charter flight from Harare to the hunting area, about an hour's flight time. The cost was 3800 bucks. Screw that. Granted it was in 2005, but when I hunted with John Sharp (who had his own airplane), the cost was 650 bucks ROUND TRIP from Bulawayo into Dande North.

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I have actually only seen one Tanzania operator who includes the charters in his prices...he is very successful and we all know him here...