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Fairgame, You are right that there isn't a DG animal behind every bush. But to say there is no such thing as dangerous game area completely baffles me. I would like you to tell the Zim PH that was charged by a cow buff with a snare on her leg and failed to stop it with his 500 double before it hit him, the thirteen year old Omay youth that was emasculated by a buffalo bull in Omay four years ago, the Zim game ranger that was gored in the butt by a sick cow buff last year at Chete or the client killed by a elephant while he waited for the PH to return with the Cruiser to recover his elephant. Those are just a few of the situations that have happened while I have been in Zim hunting. Needless to add the several PHs and trackers that have been killed over the past few years by elephant when they didn't even have a rifle with them. A number of years ago I was severely chewed out by my PH for walking down the road in front of the Cruiser looking for elephant tracks while he and the trackers were checking tracks behind the vehicle and not having my rifle with me. I suspect you have been extremely lucky in not having any serious situations like these. I hope your luck continues. 465H&H | |||
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465, We have probably flogged this to death but to chamber a cartridge is but a split second and to piss around with a safety is no quicker. There are other variables such as do you carry the rifle on your shoulder, do you use a sling etc. A very large percentage of sportsmen try to fire with the safety on especially under difficult circumstances. My self preservation in the field has nothing to do with luck. I carry a gun in the bush and if I feel that it is warrented then I will load it until what ever danger has passed. My safe then is to hold the bolt handle up after a round has been chambered. I also use and trust Mauser actions which are superior to all other actions when rapid firing and extraction is required. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I agree that the chamber in a bolt rifle should be left empty till needed, Magazine full! When hunting with a bolt rifle that is the way I carry it, and is the same condition in the rack in the hunting car. I also agree with the mauser rifle actions,they are the only big bore bolt rifle I will use! I will say that my light rifle is always capable of handleing anything I run into in the field while in Africa, That is simply because there is always a chance , though rare, of a snared bufflao being in the thick thorn while I'm stalking a wildebeast, and may be too close to change rifles even if it is available! In that sense, to me that is what is meant by dangerous game country! I'm always armed with at least minimum power for what ever I run into, it only makes sense! I hunt caribou in Alaska with a 375 H&H FN mauser with 300 gr Nosler Partitions, because of the bears where we hunt! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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That is very interesting Andrew. In fact it is the first time I have heard anyone outside NZ say that they carry the rifle with the bolt open. Here in NZ the Mountain safety council (who do all the arms license tests and lectures) advise that while actually hunting on foot in our steep, wet & bushy terrain, we carry the rifle with a round in the chamber & the bolt half open & thumb on bolt handle. Most kiwi hunters are trained to do this. Some are under the misconception that half open bolt means half cock bolt - which I think is dangerous as it is very easy to close the bolt and fire the rifle when stumbling or tripping on a root etc. I never use the safety on a bolt rifle. The very few occasions when I have used the safety, I have ended up trying to shoot without taking off the safety! My chamber is empty when not actually hunting / stalking. The magazine is empty when in the hut & the ammo is in my hat next to the rifle. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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I've hunted with 15 different African PH's and talked guns and hunting with another dozen around the campfire. Not one suggested that I should not chamber a round and apply the safety when leaving the vehicle. One guy insisted on carrying the rifle muzzle up with a sling and I was fine with that. Having said that I'm spending sometime with Andrew next year and fully expect to follow his instructions as far as gun safely goes. So going back to the original question you probably should always follow you PH's instructions because there probably is a very good reason for what he tells you. Particualry early on in one's safari experiences a client would probably be fool hardy to argue with his PH. I do agree with the others that have said if you are not comfortable with the shot offered it is better to not shoot. Often the PH sees a perfectly clear image and shot when things may not be all that clear through the rifle sights. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Last year a PH friend of mine Simon Burgess was shot here by his client whilst stalking Impala. Everytime I see what destruction a bullet does to game I think that could happen to me. Therefore if I feel someone is not competent or learned with firearms then I ensure they remain safe until they are called for. If shit happens then I will deal with it. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Man, I think the same thing. The quickest way to end a safari is to accidentally shoot someone. | |||
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Magazie loaded, chamber empty till you are actually on game. Then I top off from my pocket so I have a full load. SSR | |||
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Is it 4 or is it 5? One tends to remember these details unless the number is much greater?  J B de Runz Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent | |||
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It could be more actually - may be 7 or 8! The NZ trips are not expensive - some as little as $300 for 2 or 3 days on a big station adjoining a forest. These giuded hunts are not like PH Safaris. They are very basic - Often we sleep in a old shed with my own sleeping bag & my own camp food. I also did several club hunts (about 30 to 40 trips where we walked into a hut, drive in or fly in by helicopter) with fellow members where a senior member / hunts committee convenor actually mentors new hunters. I did a few guided trips early in my hunting career in NZ (I was 35 years old before I started hunting with a center fire rifle though I had already been hunting with a shotgun for 20 years in India). Just a bit of trivial background information ..... "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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