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I am working on a return trip for four guys to Africa (2008). Two want to hunt buffalo and two Plains game only. My question is if we are in the same camp, do the two plains game only hunters have to pay the dangerous game daily rate? We are just starting to make plans and have not even nailed down a country yet, but are leaning toward Zim. Thanks for any replies. | ||
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Most Safari companies have cheeper plains game prices but often will not hunt the same areas as the big game due to the fact that these areas have small quotas of most game. Some areas with both big and plains game in Zimbabwe are the Save valley, Matetsi, Chirisa and Lemco. ozhunter | |||
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You might think about the Luangwa Valley of Zambia! The upper, and lower Lupande safari concessions have lots of plains game, and also very good popultions of Cape Buffalo, Lion, and is crawling with Leopard. Crocs, and Hippo are everywhere along the rivers. These concessions butt up against the South Luangwa Ntnl Park, and it is a commercial flight to the village of Mfuwe for pick-up, so Charters are not usually needed, unless you hunt near WAKA WAKA! I don't know who is working the Upper Lupande, but Peter Chipman is on the LOWER LUPANDE!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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there are many areas with great plains game as well as buffalo ...the two people hunting plains game wont have to pay the big game daily rate with most outfitters. most outfitters in Zimbabwe will sell a ten day buffalo and plains game safari and certainly wont mind observers shooting some of the plains game...observers are usually just a couple of hundred bucks each so it would be worth asking your outfitter if this is an option ... be sure when booking you are in a good area for plains game as well as the buff so that all parties have a great hunt ...some areas excellent for buffalo lack plains game and vice versa. "The greatest threat to our wildlife is the thought that someone else will save it” www.facebook.com/ivancartersafrica www.ivancarterwca.org www.ivancarter.com ivan@ivancarter.com | |||
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The simple answer to your question is no. The PG guys would pay PG rate and DG guys pay DG Rates. The issue will be can all four of you be able to hunt out of the same camp. You will probably have more fun if you all hunt 1x1. A 2x1 can be problematic if one guy wants to hunt PG and theother wants DG. The DG wants to track that heard of buffalo and not ever sppok them and the DG guys is gonna want to whack that 53 inch kudu that you stumble across. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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The bottom line is to first decide upon what country you want to hunt in. RSA has very affordable daily rates but Buffalo command a pricey trophy fee (due to being Vet certified disease free or "clean.") More than 40 species of Plains Game are available however. Go north and the daily rates will climb; some as high as $1,500 per day on DG, so check around. As mentioned, you'll want to do your homework. Not all areas contain good numbers of Buff and PG. Species selection will not be as varied as RSA, but you should be able to get the main suspects: Kudu, Zebra, Blue Wildebeast, Impala, Warthog, Reedbuck etc. Best of luck and good hunting. Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I don't see a big problem here. The two PG guys hunt together, and the two DG guys can either hunt together or separately. The more PH's requisitioned, the higher the total daily rates of course. Presumably, you all want to hunt out of the same camp, and you will all arrive and depart together. This means the PG guys are going to have to take a back seat to the DG guys, as their hunt will pretty much dictate the area and the duration of the hunt. So the PG guys may have to live with whatever PG species happen to be in the DG area, and they will probably end up buying a hunt that's a little longer than necessary for PG. The good news is you should be able to nego a better deal with 4 hunters in the same camp. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Is this legal or does it have to do with the amount of the Game scout tip?  "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Have you considered Tanzania? You can have a buffalo hunt with plains game hunt. If hunting in Tanzania, you may consider a 14 days or 16 days hunt since it offers more plains game. a 10 days hunt will get you about 5 plains game. | |||
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I suggest you talk to your PH. This should not be too difficult to arrange. The 2 who wish to hunt dangerous game can hunt together 2x1, and the two hunting plains game can hunt 2x1 with another PH. | |||
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To answer bwanamich above, it IS legal to share a licence in most parts of Zimbabwe, how this is achieved is up to the outfitter not the government. Of course it is NOT in Tanzania. The Zim system of selling the outfitter a quota is far preferable as it is in his interest (and the government's) to parlay his quota into maximum hunting days per animal. Unfortunately the Tanzania licence system is outmoded and unwieldy at best, and leads often to the extra "tip" Bwanamich alludes to. More is the pity! | |||
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