Has anyone hunted with a Black PH in Namibia...Native PH/GUIDE, Safari-Operator/Landowner?

I'll try to check on recommendations by NAPHA too...

Please provide details and contact info...

Thanks!

Curious why the race of your PH matters.

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Curious why the race of your PH matters.

Hi Duckear,

That's the thing....it doesn't.

And hence I was wondering if there are any good PH/Safari-Operators/Landowners that I could get some references/recommendations on in Namibia...

Squeeze:
I have hunted Omatako Hunting Trails and twice with Shona Hunting Adventures. Both have indigenous PHs on staff with whom I've hunted. Both are excellent. (Neither are economic partners.) If I could spell their names I'd offer them up here. !!!
Best.........Tom

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Curious why the race of your PH matters.

Hi Duckear,

That's the thing....it doesn't.

And hence I was wondering if there are any good PH/Safari-Operators/Landowners that I could get some references/recommendations on in Namibia...

If it does not matter, then why did you bring the race into it?

You cana get refernces without any reference to the color of the PH.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Curious why the race of your PH matters.

Hi Duckear,

That's the thing....it doesn't.

And hence I was wondering if there are any good PH/Safari-Operators/Landowners that I could get some references/recommendations on in Namibia...

If it does not matter, then why did you bring the race into it?

You cana get refernces without any reference to the color of the PH.

Saeed,

My son and I plan to hunt Namibia a few times over and basically as "tourists" in a FOREIGN land, he suggested that we hunt with some of the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of the country and I thought that was a FANTASTIC idea...

So we were looking if there might be a Black Namibian Run Safari-Operator/PH...

Meaning we welcome the OPPORTUNITY to hunt with the indigenous tribal people of the land...that is what I meant...Hope that clarifies things and
answers your question...Thanks!

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Originally posted by TWL:
Squeeze:
I have hunted Omatako Hunting Trails and twice with Shona Hunting Adventures. Both have indigenous PHs on staff with whom I've hunted. Both are excellent. (Neither are economic partners.) If I could spell their names I'd offer them up here. !!!
Best.........Tom

Thanks Tom I appreciate it!

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://forums.accuratereloadin...941073801#6941073801

Much thanks Kathi....

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Curious why the race of your PH matters.

Hi Duckear,

That's the thing....it doesn't.

And hence I was wondering if there are any good PH/Safari-Operators/Landowners that I could get some references/recommendations on in Namibia...

If it does not matter, then why did you bring the race into it?

You cana get refernces without any reference to the color of the PH.

What???

On the original post I thought "what is with this guy"? What is his real agenda? Saeed hit it on the head.

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Curious why the race of your PH matters.

Hi Duckear,

That's the thing....it doesn't.

And hence I was wondering if there are any good PH/Safari-Operators/Landowners that I could get some references/recommendations on in Namibia...

If it does not matter, then why did you bring the race into it?

You cana get refernces without any reference to the color of the PH.

Saeed,

My son and I plan to hunt Namibia a few times over and basically as "tourists" in a FOREIGN land, he suggested that we hunt with some of the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of the country and I thought that was a FANTASTIC idea...

So we were looking if there might be a Black Namibian Run Safari-Operator/PH...

Meaning we welcome the OPPORTUNITY to hunt with the indigenous tribal people of the land...that is what I meant...Hope that clarifies things and
answers your question...Thanks!

jbf- hopefully this may clarify a few things for you...maybe its a bit more clear now...


Thanks!

Kathi...

Thanks again...That thread was very informative and a great one indeed!

I have hunted with two indigenous PH's at Kowas Safaris in Nambia and they were two of the best I've ever hunted with.

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

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Originally posted by Duckear:
Curious why the race of your PH matters.

Hi Duckear,

That's the thing....it doesn't.

And hence I was wondering if there are any good PH/Safari-Operators/Landowners that I could get some references/recommendations on in Namibia...

If it does not matter, then why did you bring the race into it?

You cana get refernces without any reference to the color of the PH.

Saeed,

My son and I plan to hunt Namibia a few times over and basically as "tourists" in a FOREIGN land, he suggested that we hunt with some of the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of the country and I thought that was a FANTASTIC idea...

So we were looking if there might be a Black Namibian Run Safari-Operator/PH...

Meaning we welcome the OPPORTUNITY to hunt with the indigenous tribal people of the land...that is what I meant...Hope that clarifies things and
answers your question...Thanks!

Thank you for the explanation. I understand what you mean.

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Originally posted by Terry Blauwkamp:
I have hunted with two indigenous PH's at Kowas Safaris in Nambia and they were two of the best I've ever hunted with.

Hi Terry...

Thanks for chiming in my friend I appreciate it...

I thought it was obvious he is looking to hunt with a black PH. If the guy wants to hunt with a black PH, who cares? It's his hunt.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
I thought it was obvious he is looking to hunt with a black PH. If the guy wants to hunt with a black PH, who cares? It's his hunt.

I will add one more comment. We all need to be as inclusive as possible. We need more women and blacks hunting. We should all reach out to include others. Oh yea, Muslims too.

One thing I liked about hunting with Fulvio Gianola is that he treated the trackers like fellow human beings. He consulted with the trackers about hunting strategy, trophy size, etc. It is a major reason why we ran the table on our 21 day in Tanz.

The only difference between me and my tracker is luck of birth. You think Oprah would be rich if she was born in Africa? I hate the racial bullshit that often accompanies some PHs.

Getting blacks involved in hunting in my part of the states is not a problem.

What would the reaction be to a "Black American" showing up to hunt in Africa? Several asked me point blank when I came back from my trip. I said I didn't know. I'm guessing some PH only "$ee green" others may not. What about the camp staff? They said they didn't care, if they weren't welcomed they could stay home and find something else to spend their money on.

I've only seen one Black American on a hunting show, he was deer hunting in South Texas.

Robert

Karl Stumpfe (Ndumo Safaris in Namibia) has a native PH (Gottfried) that works for him. He was a tracker when I was there and apparently passed his exams in late 2008 or early 2009.

Nice guy, quiet with a dry sense of humor.

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

Saeed,

My son and I plan to hunt Namibia a few times over and basically as "tourists" in a FOREIGN land, he suggested that we hunt with some of the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of the country and I thought that was a FANTASTIC idea...

So we were looking if there might be a Black Namibian Run Safari-Operator/PH...

Meaning we welcome the OPPORTUNITY to hunt with the indigenous tribal people of the land...that is what I meant...Hope that clarifies things and
answers your question...Thanks!

You will get a different perspective hunting being around black and white Africans. I have always enjoyed the time I spent with the black staff without the "boss" around.

I have never hunted with a black PH but I believe it would be interesting, and I have no doubt different, than hunting with a white PH in most cases.

In 2008 while hunting with Omalanga Safaris in Namibia, I spent the last 4 days with a black master guide after I got my leopard. Can't recall his name at the moment. His tracking skills were incredible. I would highly recommend him to anyone. However, there was a slight language barrier.
In 2006 and 2009, I hunted with Cruiser Safaris and they have a black PH (Hans) who is excellent and with whom I spent some time when he was between clients. It was interesting to me that there was some underlying jealously from the tracker and skinners towards him (Uncle Tom syndrome). I was told most of the black staff were really confused when the rare black client came into camp.

Personally, I would not book my hunt based on the race of my guide. A reputable company is going to furnish good people regardless of race.

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Originally posted by TWL:
Squeeze:
I have hunted ... with Shona Hunting Adventures.

I too have hunted with Shona and spent time hunting with Tjokkie. It was a great experience.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by Late-Bloomer:

Saeed,

My son and I plan to hunt Namibia a few times over and basically as "tourists" in a FOREIGN land, he suggested that we hunt with some of the INDIGENOUS PEOPLE of the country and I thought that was a FANTASTIC idea...

So we were looking if there might be a Black Namibian Run Safari-Operator/PH...

Meaning we welcome the OPPORTUNITY to hunt with the indigenous tribal people of the land...that is what I meant...Hope that clarifies things and
answers your question...Thanks!

You will get a different perspective hunting being around black and white Africans. I have always enjoyed the time I spent with the black staff without the "boss" around.

I have never hunted with a black PH but I believe it would be interesting, and I have no doubt different, than hunting with a white PH in most cases.

Thanks for sharing Jason...

Thanks for sharing folks...

I'll second Terry's recommendation. Mattheus and Immanuel are both very good. I have hunted with them twice @ Kowas and would not hesitate to hunt there again.

I also have hunted with SHONA and Tjokkie. I have nothing but good things to say about him.

Late Bloomer, thinking I jumped to soon, I understand, sorry.

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Originally posted by JBoutfishn:
Late Bloomer, thinking I jumped to soon, I understand, sorry.

No hard feelings here...

mrfudd and Rick,

Thanks I appreciate your input...

I think there are two native PH's at Jan Oelofse at Mt St Etjo in Namibia. They were trackers and progressed to Ph's. Can't recall their names but heard they were excellent.

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Originally posted by 470drshooter:
I think there are two native PH's at Jan Oelofse at Mt St Etjo in Namibia. They were trackers and progressed to Ph's. Can't recall their names but heard they were excellent.

Thanks I appreciate it...

I hunted with PH Helmut Halenke in Namibia several years ago. He was the landowner, but had a black licenced PH who hunted with us as well. As with the others, he started as a tracker and acquired a PH license, it made it possible for me and my son to hunt two different areas separately. I can't pull his name out at the moment however.

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Originally posted by jstevens:
I hunted with PH Helmut Halenke in Namibia several years ago. He was the landowner, but had a black licenced PH who hunted with us as well. As with the others, he started as a tracker and acquired a PH license, it made it possible for me and my son to hunt two different areas separately. I can't pull his name out at the moment however.

Thanks for sharing

I'll do some research!

Abiliu Hihuilepo is the first black Big Game PH registered in Namibia, quite an outstanding achievement.

Note that not all locals are PH's most of them are either a hunting guide or master hunting guide that can only guide on one or two properties. In Namibia we also have Hunting assistants that are registered with NAPHA they have not done any legal MET exams only camp courses offered by NAPHA and can therefore not guide a hunter on their own, most trackers, skinners and drivers have this qualification.