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I just found out a rifle I built about 20 years ago. It is a 416 Taylor, on a Sako action. I am wondering if any of you have hunted with this cartridge?? | ||
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I built mine custom about 12-13 years ago. What can I tell you about it? DRSS Kreighoff 470 NE Valmet 412 30/06 & 9.3x74R | |||
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Have you hunted with it? What scope and bullets have used, on what animals. This a cartridge we do not hear much about Frankly, I have actually forgotten that I built one, and still have it!  | |||
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Bill Stewart aka “Will” here makes a very convincing argument that the Taylor in a compact rifle is an excellent choice for a client’s elephant rifle. Check the classified for his book. http://forums.accuratereloadin...2711043/m/2781069152 | |||
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I have a 416 Taylor, built on a Mauser action, I bought it used. I took it hog hunting but the hogs didn't show up. The reloading dies cost more than the rifle! I did find Norma brass from Midway. No case forming and proper head stamp. M Added. Iron sights Barnes TSX 350 grain. | |||
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Although not a prolific African hunter, John Wooters used one IIRC. | |||
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I built one for my son, on an intrearms mauser. He has killed several deer and pigs with it. He put a 2.5x8 Leopold on it. | |||
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I had one built on an Interarms Mauser about 20 years ago. All I shot was cast bullets, RCBS 360FN. It killed deer as quick as I wanted to. Sold it to a University of Georgia Professor who was going to Africa. It was to be his wife’s rifle. Shoot Safe, Mike NRA Endowment Member | |||
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Very interesting. I thought there might have been more hunting with it. And picking it as one's wife's African hunting rifle is another strange one. I would have thought a 375 H&H would have been a better choice. | |||
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Tim416 hunted(s) with a 416 Taylor. I don’t recall him posting recently, you may send him a PM. | |||
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Saeed, what 416 was it that Roy converted a Browning BAR into? I thought it was a 416 Taylor, but it may have been a 416 G&A. I’m guessing you’ll remember which it was. IIRC, it didn’t work out that well and I don’t think he used it very much. | |||
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I am thinking you need to rebarrel it to a 375 Taylor I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever. Take care. smallfry | |||
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I had an Oregon gunsmith build me one with a PacNor barrel on a VZ24 action with three-position safety and bedded into a Bell and Carlson Medalist stock. It was accurate and pleasant to shoot, but all I did was shoot paper with it before selling it to a member of this forum from Texas. I wonder if that rifle ever "got out to see the world." There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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I will refrain from sharing that thought with my wife, she will be livid at the idea that ‘Baby’ should rather be a 375 than a 416. | |||
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Seems to me that Will has hunted with a 416 Taylor some. Maybe Will can chime in. The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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Norma does make ammo for the 416 taylor but it's powder capacity leaves it a bit short of 416 rem. ballistics. | |||
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I have used the .416 Taylor in Africa on tuskless and buffalo. The rifle has been build on a pre-64 Winchester Model 70 with a 22" barrel. I my view it is an outstanding DG rifle using a standard length action with modest recoil( about like a high brass 12 Ga). Both the tuskless and the buffalo were one shot kills. The .416 Taylor will produce near .416 Ridgy performance with considerably less powder and less recoil. Norma produces brass and the rifle will easily handle plains animals out to 300 yards. Frankly, I can't think of one negative to attach to the .416 Taylor. | |||
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I am here Mike and well. Lurk more than I post. I have twenty-four years of history in Africa with two Taylors. The first one was a rebarreled .458 Win Mag Ruger 77. The second based on a BRNO action with an ER Shaw barrel. I nave hunted Buffalo several times with it down to plains game. All with excellent results. I have used Barnes and Woodleigh Solids and A Square .400 grains bullets behind 65 grains of IMR 4895. | |||
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Wootters 416 Taylor article, from 1975. (Most of the article) Think that was the first time I heard of that round. https://www.riflemagazine.com/.../PDF/ri38partial.pdf Didn't "Will" write an article on this site a few years ago about building/hunting with a 416 T ? | |||
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Harry Selby related his experience to me on a hunt with Wootters, Carter and the 416 Taylor and Hoffman. There was no discernible difference in performance between them. I think it falls into the category of “What one will do, the other will do.” Which is also something Harry mentioned about most doubles. | |||
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Exactly. Bullet placement trump’s everything else! | |||
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Wasn't it a wildcat that was a precursor to the 416 Remington, Saeed? It evidently did everything the Remington does and without the pressure spikes... | |||
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It is based on the .458 Win Mag case. It has a fairly sharp shoulder and is easily formed from the .458 brass with one pass through the .416 Taylor sizing die and then fire formed. | |||
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I had one built on a LH M-70 action years ago. The gunsmith I was working with at the time was a pretty big fan of the cartridge and talked me into the build. I had it built with a synthetic stock and iron sights with the intention of using it as my carry rifle while working as a assistant guide in Alaska. I carried the rifle for a season but never fired a shot. I later added a Leopold 3x fixed power scope to it and carried it for a few Colorado elk hunts. Again, never put the rifle to use. I believe it also made the trip to Zim on a DG hunt. Regardless I am not sure if I ever put any blood on the rifle however that was more of a component of how it was being used. I recall being amazed at how flat the gun shot out to 300 yards when using some of the lighter weight 416 bullets. That was why I carried it on some of the Elk hunts. Seeing this post makes me want to dig it out of the safe and put it to use. ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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Blair: Case Capacity in water: 416 Rem 104 416 Taylor 92 416 Ruger 102 I fail to see how the Taylor case with lower case capacity than the Remington would be less likely to cause pressure spikes when both are loaded so as to achieve 2400 fps with a 400 grain bullet. | |||
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Bobmn, Norma doesn't load the 416 taylor to the same velocity as the 416 rigby. As you pointed out the case capacity just isn't there for it. But it's certainly as good as current 404 loadings. | |||
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Double Tap says their 350gr TsX goes 2550. That’s over 5K fpe. That would work pretty well... | |||
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I load 300 grain bullets for just a little over 2500 fps with no pressure problems and not a maximum load. | |||
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I have a .416 Taylor on an Encore action (12" barrel) built by SSK. I've taken the #11 handgun buff, the #2 free ranging 28" roan, the #4 handgun charging lion at 23 yards, a charging bull ele at 12 yards, a cow buff at 80 yds. facing me with a frontal chest shot and the 400 gr. Horn. DG-X(dropped), numerous whitetail deer (very ugly results) and over 100 WV groundhogs (uglier results). I love this gun. 85% the power of a .416 Rigby and it shoots all 350/400 gr. bullets at the same POA at 100 yds. | |||
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That's quite a set of feats Hitman. Impressive. There is an old African truth that conventional cup and core bullets of any caliber at 2400 fps are deadly. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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The .416 Chatfield Taylor is the full equal to the .416 REm. and 416 Rigby in the field..I built a 375 Taylor and a 416 Taylor many years ago, hunted one time with both and they worked very well indeed, Ross Seyfried killed many DG animals with his and used it as a backup rifle, had high praise...My chronograph said a 400 gr. Woodleigh soft or solid got me 2350 FPS on average, my 416 REm and Rigby got me 2390 on average..My 375 Taylor beat my 375 H&H by a tad with 300 gr. bullets. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The 416 Taylor can have pressure excursions with if you chase velocity from short barrels. With shorter than 20" barrels . I could only get 2300 fps With 400 gr bullets. With 350 gr bullets I got to max pressure above 2450 fps. But 2450 fps with IMR4320 was fine. I gave my last 416 Taylor, built on a SS Montana 1999 action with 18" barrel to a friend that is a brown bear guide. He has dumped several escaping trophy bear with it. Last fall I asked him if there was anything he had changed on it in the past 12 plus years. He said nope. It's still the same. It still has the same fixed 3 power Leupold on it. It's his bear gun and is carried and shot regularly. . Last I knew he was shooting 400 gr Woodliegh Weldcore rnsn @ 2250 fps Iirc. As he is exposed to all kinds of carts and rifles for large and dangerous game. He could change if he didn't like its performance. He told me it is much more effective on chest shots than the 375 H&H that he used to use backing up clients. As far as speed of incapacitation . He's a good fast offhand game shot . It hit game harder than the 375 with about the same amount of recoil. As a 375 H&H barrel was part of the package. He could have swapped barrels if he wanted to for bear. And he has put the 375 barrel on for other hunting and shooting. But for brown bear especially up close. He sticks with the 416 Taylor. I used a 416 Taylor for several years for brown bear. A 19" barreled 17 Enfield. It just flattens bears. And just pokes a hole thru Sitka Blacktail deer. They usually run 20 yards or so with a lung shot. I Really like the Taylor . But I like the Remington even more. Which is why I have a 416 Rem. My 3rd. I don't know if it kills any faster. But, it doesn't kill any slower. Phil Shoemaker : "I went to a .30-06 on a fine old Mauser action. That worked successfully for a few years until a wounded, vindictive brown bear taught me that precise bullet placement is not always possible in thick alders, at spitting distances and when time is measured in split seconds. Lucky to come out of that lesson alive, I decided to look for a more suitable rifle." | |||
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Was the guides name you gave the Taylor to Tom Kirstien? Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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