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A buddy and I are trying to plan a safari to Namibia. It will be my first trip to Namibia and second trip to Africa, his first trip to Africa. Since it will be both of our first time hunting Namibia, what are your thoughts about hunting 1X1 vs 2X1? The money saved hunting 2X1 could easily pay for at least one trophy fee, if not 2 or 3 depending upon species taken. Then again, the benefit of hunting 1X1 would not interfere with each other's hunt, hunt more area and specific animals, if wanted, and would give us plenty of things to talk about around the campfire. For two guys on their first trip to Namibia, would you recommend 2x1 or 1x1? FYI, we used to be roommates in college and get along great so the competition thing is not an issue! Thanks, Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | ||
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I would never hunt 2x1 myself, but if saving a couple of hundred bucks makes a difference to you, go ahead. George  | |||
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1x1 1x1 1x1 1x1 1x1 You can always double up and hunt with your buddy for a couple of days if you want to. But with 2x1 you only save $50 per day but you get 50% less hunting. | |||
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It really depends on the "competition" issue, the number of animals that you are each taking or plan to take on this hunt, your friendship level, your financial means etc., all of which you have take into acount yourself. I have done it both ways. In 6 safaris, one of them was an actual 2x1 with a friend and in two others we shared the services of two different PHs, alternating their services to the two of us every day. | |||
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I've only been once, and the difference between 1x1 and 2x1 was only $300. The idea of one of us "wasting" a day tracking an animal wounded by our buddy was enough to convince us to hunt 1x1. We had plenty of time each evening to share our experiences. If it was my son, on the other hand, I would hunt 2x1 with him to have the "bonding" experience. | |||
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Here are a couple points to ponder... 1. Are you both looking for the same animals? 2. Will you have enough time at 14 days at 2x1 to get wanted animals? 3.The first timer his first safari should have his own ph to answer his every question... I still remember my first and the thousand questions I asked... Mike | |||
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graybird, You've got some good things to consider on the 1x1 or 2x1 issue. I don't recommend it because in most cases it is false economy. As Dan said" $50 less per day and 50% less hunting time". Personally I do feel a couple of really close buddies that truly are not competitive could just have a great time 2x1. Same holds true for husband/wife etc. Now on occasion you really do save a bundle and you might have to look at that hunt differently. In one case I know of you can save $400 per day on a 14 day hunt but that is a rarity. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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1X1 regardless of the reasons to go 2X1. Okay, maybe Siamese twins. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Savings would be about $1500 on a 10 day hunt. Will, you're funny. There would be no questions if it were twins, of course, dependent upon the twins in question. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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It depends on your reason for hunting...are you going so you can take as many animals as possible? or are you giung to have a great experience with a friend. Frankly, if I could define the perfect hunt it would be 2x1 with my best hunting partner. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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2x1 is great for Father-Son or Daughter, Husband/Wife, but you'll cheat yourself doing a 2x1 with a friend. What if it's your turn to shoot a Kudu and he wants a Duiker. Your approaching the Kudu of your dreams and suddenly a huge Duiker appears in front of you. He wants to shoot but you tell him no, "it's my turn and I'm after the Kudu up ahead." He's pissed, the Duiker runs off scaring the Kudu away. Now your both pissed. By the time you get home your no longer best pals. Human nature: greed! Pay the extra few bucks and enjoy being Bwana once more. Good hunting, Lucky Bwana Gray Ghost Hunting Safaris http://grayghostsafaris.com Phone: 615-860-4333 Email: hunts@grayghostsafaris.com NRA Benefactor DSC Professional Member SCI Member RMEF Life Member NWTF Guardian Life Sponsor NAHC Life Member Rowland Ward - SCI Scorer Took the wife the Eastern Cape for her first hunt: http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6881000262 Hunting in the Stormberg, Winterberg and Hankey Mountains of the Eastern Cape 2018 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4801073142 Hunting the Eastern Cape, RSA May 22nd - June 15th 2007 http://forums.accuratereloadin...=810104007#810104007 16 Days in Zimbabwe: Leopard, plains game, fowl and more: http://forums.accuratereloadin...=212108409#212108409 Natal: Rhino, Croc, Nyala, Bushbuck and more http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6341092311 Recent hunt in the Eastern Cape, August 2010: Pics added http://forums.accuratereloadin...261039941#9261039941 10 days in the Stormberg Mountains http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7781081322 Back in the Stormberg Mountains with friends: May-June 2017 http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6001078232 "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading" - Thomas Jefferson Every morning the Zebra wakes up knowing it must outrun the fastest Lion if it wants to stay alive. Every morning the Lion wakes up knowing it must outrun the slowest Zebra or it will starve. It makes no difference if you are a Zebra or a Lion; when the Sun comes up in Africa, you must wake up running...... "If you're being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be faster than the Lion, you just have to be faster than the person next to you." | |||
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I've done 2x1 5 times, 3x with my son, once with my brother and once with my wife. After all is said and done, with the exception of my wife, never again. It's ok if you want to show someone Africa and aren't too concerned about hunting yourself, but I have found it is so rare to get to Africa, that when you hunt with someone else you have to be very flexible about when they get sick, hot, cranky, lazy, noisy in the bush, wound animals, point their muzzle at you, snore, whine, hot, want to sleep in, go back early....need I go on? As I said, having done it and seen the negatives of it, I don't think I will ever hunt 2x1 again, even though I had great times all trips, there were a lot of negatives to it. ______________________________ "Are you gonna pull them pistols,...or whistle Dixie??" Josie Wales 1866 | |||
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I was thinking the 1x1 route was the way to go too. As many of you have pointed out there are things that could go wrong that would put a damper on mine or my buddies hunt. Hell, I could be the one who would wound an animal and spend 2 days tracking ruining my buddies safari, which I wouldn't want. Besides, there are a lot of animals that I want to add to my trophy room! If it is a mature trophy, it is down unless I already have one in the salt. I made those mistakes on passing animals on my first trip trying to be frugal with my money (but I was in grad school then too). Thanks again for confirming my thoughts, Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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1x1. But I am going to do a 2x1 this May. It will be with my wife and it will be her first hunt. Anything she gets will be just like I hunted it myself. I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf.... DRSS | |||
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1x1. Sharing with an observer who can be shooting pictures or video is nice, but I would only hunt 1x1. Too many possible negatives outweigh the positives. | |||
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You guys crack me up...2x1 is ok with a son or spouse but not with a friend...sounds like underneath there are "competition" issues with the friend. Because all the same scenarios can happen regardless of whose standing next to you. It's not about saving money or shooting more or less animals when you go 2x1 its about spending hunting time with the other person. For example, if I was given the choice of: A) Hunting 1x1 and someone else picking up the tab, or B) hunting 2x1 with Walter and paying for it myself I would choose B everytime. Regarding the kudu/duiker scenario, your friend shouldn't even think of shooting if you already started the stalk on the duiker and if he gets pissed then he should have never agreed to the 2x1 in the first place. If you want to shoot more animals go 1x1, if your satisfied sharing stories at night go 1x1, if you want to hunt with your friend and share all the excitement, laughs, and uncertainity of hunting in real time go 2x1. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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My advice is to pay for 1x1 and then select days for 2x1 hunting and enjoy the company. I took my father to RSA two years ago and paid for 2x1. We were lucky and got to hunt 1x1 most of the time, but were able to decide on certain days to hunt together. This avoids conflicts, Dad wanted a Kudu and they were in a different area than the Zebra I wanted; so we were able to split up and maximize hunting opportunities. We were also able to scout for each other during the day and relay information via radio. Colin | |||
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As you are going to be hunting in Namibia, there is absolutely nothing wrong with hunting 2x1. | |||
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I just got done with a 2x1 (actually a 3x1). The first 6 hunting days I wanted my hunting buddy and my son do all the hunting. The only shooting I did was with the camera. After they had gotten all the animals that they were after (kudu, oryx, 2 warthogs for my friend, and 1 springbok for my son) then I went hunting (1 zebra and 2 wildebeest) on the last day. Never once felt anxious about getting my turn to hunt. Money was not the reason for us choosing to hunt 2x1. We enjoy hunting for the hunt and the companionship, not the competition to see who gets the better trophy. If I would have come back from Namibia without getting a single animal it still would have been worth it for me to see the happiness in my friend and my son when they got theirs. My friend and I have been hunting some 20 years together. I was looking through some of the hunting pics we took during those years and usually one of us would hunt with the main gun and the other would back up with a shotgun or short rifle. The only competition I know of in hunting is between me and the animal I'm hunting. Maybe it has something to do with age since I'm 64 and my buddy is 70 and my son is 11, I dunno. Namibiahunter  . | |||
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$1500 is a small fraction of total all in cost. Think of the $1500 you split - %750 each - as insurance against a wholy irritating and disastrous trip during which you also loose a freind. You can hunt all you want with your friend, or you can hunt alone with your PH as events play out. Over ten days, I'm 100% sure that one of you will want a break from the other. Then that $750 will seem cheap. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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Sorry, the saving of $1500 is per person. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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1X---always!--- but then if the 2 was Cindy -- hmmmmmmmmmm! G OMG!-- my bow is "pull-push feed" - how dreadfully embarrasing!!!!! | |||
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$1,500 per person difference over a ten day hunt equals $300/day. For a plains game hunt that makes absolutely no sense. There are good plains game hunts that go for that and less. Regardless, the answer remains the same, 1x1. JPK Free 500grains | |||
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My best friend and I have been hunting all over the U.S. and Canada on 2x1 hunts. We got over competitiveness about 20-some years ago. We'll be going to Namibia next year, too, and that will be 2x1 for ten days, both of us after the same four animals. It will be a vacation and a hunt. I do agree with some of the posters, though. Some people I've only shared a camper or tent with was too much. I won't even go on a localized hunt with them again. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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Speaking as someone who has limited funds while on safari: if the other person were family or friend, I'd prefer 2x1, because I'm paying for and shooting 5 or so animals, but get to participate in double that (yes, I'm considering watching, trying to spot game, tracking, etc. as participating). I enjoy watching others hunt just as I enjoy hunting myself. | |||
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I have an ideal 2x1 partner: he loves to be out in the outdoors, is not competetive, is not a rifle nut like me, and we have a great time. we have been to 3 continents and god knows how many hunts: both of us are happy at the end. (I make sure he gets at least a couple of trophies). go 2x1 of you have a hunting crony whose cpmpany you can enjoy, and neither one of you ahs to prove anything. otherwise, 1x1 | |||
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My first(and only) safari was 2x1 in Tanzania for Buffalo in 2006 w/P. Van Tonder , Steve(Shakari) Robinson standing in for Pierre. I went with my wife as an observer and my best friend since 11 years of age, I am 52 now. We have shared a lifetime of hunting, shooting, fishing, diving, deaths, divorces(all his!) etc. and I cannot imagine any two other people on earth I would rather have had that experience with. A true friend will take as much or more pleasure in your sucess as he would his own, he will commiserate and share blame with you when you screw up. When evening at the fire comes, he will tell embarassing stories about you and vice-versa, and everyone will have a good laugh! Half of the hunting?, I think not! I got twice the hunting and memories to last a lifetime. I know I am extremely fortunate to have a friend like that, and my next trip over will be 2x1 with the same cast of characters, God willing! Lee. DRSS(We Band of Bubba's Div.) N.R.A (Life) T.S.R.A (Life) D.S.C. | |||
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If you really like your hunting partner enough to go to Africa with him or her wouldn't you want experience it with him. If you are that competitive are you really that good of buddies?Sharing the experience is far more valuable than getting more or better animals. God knows there are more than enough opportunities in Namibia. I say go 2x1 and have some fun with your buddy. | |||
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To sum it more up. 1x1 if youre serious about the hunt and want to bring home good trophies. 2x1 If you are coming over for the experience you could bump into some super trophies but it will be harder for exmaple to bag 2 x 55" kudus. Or very big luck. There is more to just saving on daily rates hunting 2x1. You could ship the trophies under one name and address and sometimes the outfitters charge for picking up at airports the same rate if youre 1x1 or 2x1. Basically if you are serious about bagging some good animals hunt 1x1, 2x1 should be kept for people who would enjoy the experience with somebody else. Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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I'm doing a 2x1 of sorts next year in Namibia. A really good friend that I have hunted and fished with as much as possible wants to go with me to Caprivi to video my elephant hunt. Then we are switching over to a PG area to do 2x1 for a week. We're looking forward to videoing each other's hunts and sharing the memories "realtime" as someone said. It's not for most people but it will work for us. The hunt after that might be a double PAC ele hunt with a friend. If that goes through we will end up booking a week each (back to back hunts) and observing/videoing the other's hunt. _______________________________  | |||
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2x1 only if the other hunter is your wife or one of your children. 2x1 with a friend would be ok if there have been more than enough days booked for a limited number of plainsgame animals and you are good enough friends that the number one priority is sharing a fun hunt and trophies are the number two priority. Elephant Hunter, Double Rifle Shooter Society, NRA Lifetime Member, Ten Safaris, in RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe | |||
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It depends, there is room for both equasions..I have a lot of people that love to hunt together 2x1 or 3x1, its not all about killing, it has to do with comraderie and friends and the total experience... If I were to hunt with Palmer, Judge G, 10-15, Bill Morrison, Butch Searcy it would be 2x1 or all of us together...just on the off chance one of them would miss a shot, that would be fun for days... Get a life, its not all about killing... If your a dyed in the wool trophy hunter, and pack a tape everywhere you go then 1x1 is the only route for you..Too bad, your ego is pulsing and nobody but you will see your name in the record book but you and folks you make look at it! I go now, I keep my horse tied out back to make a quick get away when I piss folks off!   Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I don't want to cause any trouble........ but...... 1x1 ......... Hunt together for one half day just for fun. You mentioned "competition". I know me and my roommate from college lived on competiton. And................ If $1500 makes or breaks a 10 day African safari---- don't go. Just friendly wisdom shared. Trophyman Benefactor Member NRA SCI California Rifle & Pistol Assoc. Drive a 69 Chevelle SS396 | |||
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If I was hunting elephant, lion or buffalo, 1x1 is the way to go. Hunting plains game on a ranch is totally different. One can shoot as many animals as he is willing to pay for. And the fun of having your friend or relative along adds to the enjoyment that can be had by everyone. I have even hunted buffalo with several friends 2x1, and we have had a fantastic time doing it. | |||
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$1500 doesn't break it for either of us .. it is just one more trophy not in the salt, potentially ... but as other have suggested it might make up more than the difference in ribbing your buddy about a shot missed or good times shared over many a beers in the future!! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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Bottom line is its your buck and your hunt, do what you want...I was just playing the devils advocate and giving the other side of the story. I suppose it also depends on how many times you have hunted and how much game you have shot and how much a trophy means to you, what kind of hunter you are, how much you really like to hunt and a world of other varibles could make the determination, but like most things there are two sides to the coin. Another point is that the difference is only $1500??? That is a pretty broad statement, it would really depend on what kind of a hunt your talking about...It could be considerably more and the financial situation might come into play. In some cases a 21 day hunt is sold and two people have hunted off one license and shared the game bag and that is a 2x1 hunt and at about a $15000, saveings per hunter. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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