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In watching hunting television programming and as I indulge myself in the barrage of new hunting DVD's I recently purchased, I'm noticing more and more people who whisper whilst talking to the camera, AFTER executing the first shot. So the animal runs off, and the shooter turns to the camera, and WHISPERS his thoughts, reactions or whatever is on his mind. I'm okay with the talking part to the camera, having done a few hunting DVD's in my time. But why WHISPER? Do you really think the animal can hear you? Do you really think the animal doesn't suspect danger, having just heard the loud crack of the rifle? Do you really think the animal doesn't suspect danger, already feeling pain in his shoulder! And finally, if your first shot was fatal the animal is dead! So why are you whispering? For those gun whisperers out there, could you please sound off on this, informing us on your need to whisper? | ||
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In most cases it isn't really necessary to whisper. Part of it may be that you don't want o break the habit of whispering while in the field, usually a good thing to do. When hunting eles in the Jesse it is a good idea to always whisper even after the shot as loud talking may pinpoint you to a matriarch cow that is trying to locate your position. I have been charged twice by cows after I shot one of her herd members. In one case it was movement and in the second a warning shot that allowed her to pinpoint our position. I see no real problem though when hunting plains game. 465H&H | |||
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I whisper after shooting an animal, because animals don't always know where the gun shot came from. Lots of animals won't spook from a gun shot, so you could be spooking the animal you shot at or other game by talking loud. How many times have you seen someone shoot over an animals back, and as long as the animal doesn't see or hear you, you will have time for a second, third or fourth shot. DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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I have seen a fair number of clean misses where the animal didn't even react to being shot at it. Whipering in the field is always a good idea. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I always whisper after I do my jumping high fives and double fist pumps while screaming unbelievable dont you???  | |||
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To quote ddrhook. "It's TV ... most of it ain't real... except TAA"  There is a time and place to whisper... but I think some over play to build a little drama. Elton Rambin Mail/Ship: 1802 Horse Hollow Rd. Barksdale, Texas 78828 Phone: 479 461 3656 Ranch: 830-234-4366 Check our Hunt & Class Schedule at www.ftwoutfitters.com 4 Rules of Gun Safety 1/ Treat all guns as though they are loaded. 2/ Never point the muzzle at anything you do not want to shoot. 3/ Do not put your finger on trigger until your sights are on target and you are ready to shoot. 4/ Be sure of your target and safe background. | |||
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I drives me crazy when they whisper, so much so that when they keep it going I will change the channel. | |||
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The whisper thing on TV shows and videos is a little bothersome at times. With my hearing it's hard enough to hear them when they are just plain talking let alone whispering. A lot of the time the whisper comments are before the shot is made at sometimes very close game, so I guess it is really a have to case? As a bowhunter of over 45 years I do have a habit of doing the whisper thing as one is usually closer to the prey and it's just a natural thing I guess. I have noticed on some shows that when the go into whisper mode a closed captioning pops up to help out. I really like that feature and not knowing the technical side of it wish it were used more often. Then again sometimes it's better to not hear what is being said as some of it is kinda whacky. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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Larry I hear alot of it on the bowhunting segments too. I have nothing against archery hunters, but after the animal has run off, with the arrow passed through it's heart and lungs, or with the arrow still stuck in their shoulder---why do they whisper. Isn't it pretty much over by then? Or possibly by whispering, is it the hope the animal doesn't run too far? | |||
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I have no idea. I try to avoid watching videos and programs about hunting and fishing, golf and poker tournaments, wrestling and boxing matches, and all running, jumping, and throwing games. Bill Quimby | |||
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Bill - That's a pretty long list of "don't watch". Just what is it that you do watch?  Marc - I agree that a lot of the time the bowhunters keep whispering well beyond the normal hearing distance of the animal that has been shot. Additional spooking of the animal by regular conversation might be a factor in some remote cases, but I think it's more of a habit created by being closer to animals in general that promotes this. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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Moja, I know you have been around where elephants are feeding in trees where they are breaking branches out of the trees, with a resulting “CRACK” that sounds like rifle shots! In those situations you don’t see other animals fleeing the sound! This a natural sound in the bush. Now! Just talk in a normal human voice, and shortly there will be nothing within a quarter mile that will not be alerted. As someone above stated much game, that is not aware of your presences, fired on but missed high over the back may look up, and around some but will usually not run, unless the bullet hits something spraying the animal with gravel, or wood particles from the branch you hit. And in most cases continue to feed. With an animal that is hit will instinctively make for cover if he isn’t sure what happened. He will most time not run far before stopping, to watch his back-trail. If you talk or work the bolt loudly after everything is quiet, he will, in most cases, run some more. Your friend Andrew Dawson will tell you that after the shot on a leopard, or lion on bait, you need the be very quiet. This is for two reasons. #1 is because Andrew needs to hear any sound the animal makes after the shot, and #2 your voice may make the cat run farther before stopping to bleed. This also applies to Buffalo as well, and for hunting cow ele, may, as someone already said , mark you position for another cow, or an Askari in the case of bulls. I think it is just a good idea to be as quiet as you can before, and after the shot, and save the celebrating for when the pictures are being taken of the downed animal! It doesn’t bother me in films, near as much as the staged filming of the hunter approaching the downed animal to touch the EYE with the downed animal between the hunter, and the camera. That is plain fake, and scripted ! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Have you tried turning the sound up? ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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SAME HERE. PH TOLD ME AFTER THE LEOPARD SHOT WE NEED TO BE QUITE IN CASE HE DOES NOT FALL OVER DEAD TO SEE WHICH WAY HE RAN NRA LIFE MEMBER DU DIAMOND SPONSOR IN PERPETUITY DALLAS SAFARI CLUB LIFE MEMBER SCI FOUNDATION MEMBER | |||
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I agree, as Mac said, the human voice is not a natural sound to animals in the field, and it is best to just get in a habit of whispering. And they don't always run away at the sound of a shot, they sometimes stand and check for either movement or the sound of a voice. | |||
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The first PH I had workedf or Zim parks for many years and then became a PH. He firmly beleived that the human voice was much more likely to spook game than gun fire or anyother noise. He shushed me several times on that safari and I've always remembered it. Being quiet can't hurt a thing. I find the whispering far more palatable than all the back slapping, yelling, high fiveing etc. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Larry: I detest sports programs, and become extremely angry when my favorite programs are bumped by the Superbowl, World Series, NBA tournaments, the Masters, or whatever. Watching other people shoot a turkey or a deer from a blind or catch one fish after another is almost (not quite) as boring as watching a knitting tournament. The very few "outdoor" programs I've seen were badly edited, low-budget events. I watch news-format programs, some comedies, especially "2-1/2 Men," and some action series, such as "CSI Miami." I prefer reading to TV, though. Bill Quimby | |||
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I've heard of talking to houseplants, by why would you read to a TV? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Mrs. Woerschmidt, my eighth grade English teacher, would slap my hand if I'd written that in her class! Thank you, Jason. I meant to say, "I prefer reading to watching TV," of course. Come to think about it, though, reading to a TV makes more sense than spending hours watching other people running, jumping, throwing, hitting, shooting, or casting things. For one, we don't have to listen to announcers, most of whom definitely are not Mensa candidates. Bill Quimby | |||
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How about when the camera man is standing up filming the hunter crawling into position, or the PH, hunter and tracker walking toward the camera and suddnly throw up the sitcks and start blasting away? Of course the next film clip shows the hunters walking up to the down animal and the videographer is filming from behind it? Seems like they should just get out of the truck and find the videographer, as he will be sitting behind a animal already down. | |||
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Sorry Bill, I just couldn't help myself. I love a pun. I hope you didn't think I was criticizing your writing.
Good point! BTW, there is one guy in the hunting video business who is provides outstanding narration on his videos. I don't want to name any names, but I will give you a hint: he rarely whispers. In all seriousness, Mr. Watts narration is BY FAR the best I have heard on an outdoor production. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Thanks Jason. I do whisper every once in awhile, when asking the PH, "What happened, where'd he go." I often don't see the shot impact when I shoot a bolt action scoped rifle. That's because I endure that momentary second of "blindness" keeping my head on the comb of the rifle, as the scope is knocked from alignment of my eye. If the PH says you made a good hit, I switch to just a low audible voice, or the normal voice because it's my thinking that it's game over. Yes Mac on leopards, I agree with Andrew. Just be quiet. There's no reason to say anything. When ample time has passed and it's OKAY to speak, I start talking in a low audible voice. My voice coach used to tell me that whispering uses more of my vocal cords than a lower volume voice, so I guess I just have never been good at. Sometimes however, I take a cue from the PH. If he whispers to me, I whisper back. But I'm not good at fake or theatrical whispering. That's what I'm suggesting is carried out way too much on the hunting shows. With most of the well-videotaped impact/kill shots, the viewer can see if it's a good hit or well-placed shot. So the post-kill shot whispering seem a little contrived. | |||
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I hear what your saying, especially when it's clearly and genuinely contrived whispering, but I can see where a guy might just keep whispering out of habit after hours on end of doing it. I kind of compare it to when you have a set of muffs on at the trap range and everyone but you already has their muffs off, but you fail to realize it. You've been talking "through" everyone else's muffs the whole time you were shooting. The end result: you're now screaming at some poor soul who hasn't got any hearing protection on. (Yes, I'm speaking from a guilty perspective.) | |||
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Haven't you all heard of Whispering Grass? | |||
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The only time I raise my voice on a hunting trip is at the end, when I am presented with the bar bill. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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+1 for reading, television bores the shit out of me.  | |||
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CSI Miami, maybe. But 2 1/2 Men? Geez Louise.. | |||
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Not having anything to do with hunting in Africa, just in the U.S., but I do not watch very many hunting shows, simply because of the whispering. Part of this also applies to actual hunting situations I find myself in, here in Texas, when I am in an enclosed deer stand 140 to 150 yards from a feeder, and everyone insists on whispering. To me that ranks right up there with choosing the best camoflage to wear while setting inside said deer stand. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Randall that sounds like the same kind of people that will insist you parked your truck too close? The main vice of capitalism is the uneven distribution of prosperity. The main vice of socialism is the even distribution of misery. -- Winston Churchill | |||
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When filming hunting episodes for my show, I try not to whisper too much. And IF I do whisper, I also make sure that I include sub-titles to cover what is being said. It's just another step in editing that is polite and the right thing to do. Why do I do it? Often times it's because I think a human voice can possibly spook the animal and cause it to run further. | |||
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That is a big 10-4 Good Buddy!!!!   Hope everything is well with you and yours. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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They do it just to annoy me. Really, isn't this what post production can fix? They do all kinds of stunts with the camera and having the hunter walk up on the dead animal with the camera pointing back at him, why not fix this instead? As to the comments on whispering around game, Gee, who feels the urge to sit and chat when they are watching a good buck (or whatever) come in? Happens all the time on bowhunting shows. Isn't it better to just STFU until you have the animal in hand? | |||
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A most unique use of the senses... On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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If I feel the need to talk immediately post shot, I do boost the gain in editing to make the audio clearer, but sometimes the hunter isn't wearing a mic, or is talking so low that it's difficult to boost the audio enough to make it clear. In this case, I'll either do a voice-over or subtitle the dialog so that the audience does know what the person is saying. It's not all that difficult or time consuming to do and quite frankly, I don't know why more producers don't make this part of the show. I also try to have the camera arrive at the kill at the same time to avoid the contrived surprise of the hunter. I'm not that good of an actor! | |||
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+1 for 2.5 men....Charlie rocks! I don't mind the whispering. Not sure what I'd do in those type situations as I've never been filmed. But, I'm sure whispering just seems like the right thing to do to some. | |||
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Sabletrail, I don't know the reason hunters whisper on camera after executing the shot. I have admittedly whispered after shooting or being with hunters (not on camera) that have already shot the animal and some even after the animal was seen going down. Then asking out loudly why are we whispering? Got to chuckle at that. Or not. | |||
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I think it comes from golf announcers. You've all seen the consumate pro who misses the three foot birdie putt which would have clinched the tournament, and the announcer who whispers, "he'll be thinking about that putt tonight." in a low whisper. They don't want the pro to hear them. Same thing after a PH sees me shoot. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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I hate to admit it, but I've found myself whispering as I read this discussion; just in case there might be something around. | |||
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Be vary vary quiet were hunting wabbits.  DRSS Searcy 470 NE | |||
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A very enjoyable thread! I confess that 465H&H's remark about a cow elephant pinpointing you struck a chill in me -because I could just see it! I never hunted mzou but saw them often and always was at least a little wary and watchful in their presence -just to look at them. I heard cows screaming at me often in "mock" charges in my one time in Africa (the first one I ever saw I told my PH when he said that was all it was -"Then I never want to see the real thing!") | |||
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