I think that this whole thread is gay.

I imagine that Mark Sullivan acts one way when he is guiding normal safari clients and another when he is making his movies. Those who want Mark Sullivan, PH, get Mark Sullivan PH. Those who want the Mark Sullivan of his movies get that Mark Sullivan.

Since no one who has actually hunted with him is complaining I would bet that both are happy with what they get.

TerryR

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Originally posted by TerryR:
Since no one who has actually hunted with him is complaining I would bet that both are happy with what they get.

TerryR

Terry when you say Mark's clients are happy couldn't you also be saying that they're gay?

surestrike,
Dr B sure ain't no "doctor," unless it is a PhD in basket weaving.

Recall that MS has been accused of hitting on a client hunter's wife also. AC DC?

Maybe MS is into S&M too and would enjoy partaking of an opened can of whoop ass as a sundowner?

He has definitely got to be into multiple perversions.

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MS shoots his clients buffalo for them more than 3 times on each of his 10 videos. I seriously doubt it happens nearly so often for any other PH. To my way of thinking there is about a 1 in a million (or even a billion!)chance that MS has that many clients that shoot so poorly that he HAS to back them up this often.

Has anyone considered the fact that his clients WANTED him to shoot their tropgies for them?

Just a thought, as I would find it very hard to see how anyone would wish to hunt with someone who shoots their trophies.

quote:

Originally posted by surestrike:

quote:

Originally posted by TerryR:
Since no one who has actually hunted with him is complaining I would bet that both are happy with what they get.

TerryR

Terry when you say Mark's clients are happy couldn't you also be saying that they're gay?

Saeed,
surestrike is considering this: gay clientele
That would explain it.

Don't know MS. Don't care!

Mr. Sullivan, I'm dressed and ready for our buffalo safari.

This may be one of the silliest topics we have ever had on AR (but it is still funny).

Regards,

Terry

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
To my way of thinking there is about a 1 in a million (or even a billion!)chance that MS has that many clients that shoot so poorly that he HAS to back them up this often.

Has anyone considered the fact that his clients WANTED him to shoot their tropgies for them?

Just a thought, as I would find it very hard to see how anyone would wish to hunt with someone who shoots their trophies.[/QUOTE]

BINGO. If one watches the last video, one of the clients SPECIFICALLY says that he left the final shot for Sullivan. Further in many of his videos, the clients go in with the understanding that Sullivan would also shoot in an effort to capture more action on the video. QUite a few of the cleints are personal friends of him and also know that going in.

And lastly, the overwhelming majority of the "fusilades" are by folks with doubles making long shots with rifles they are obviously not familiar with their weapons. jorge

I don't care about sexual tendencies of anyone (of course if PH would be gay I want him anywhere I can see him, except in front of me because he would disturb the aim, or behind me because this made me nervous and afraid of my personal safety).
If a gay PH has more success of anyother in the hunt, well, at the conditions described above between the parenthesis, I would be happy to be guided in the hunt by him.
After he has done his work he can also dress like a drag queen.
Some poeple like to take it in the back, I still prefer a lot of other activities.
Mr. Richard Gere once told a phrase that I was used to say many years before him. "In a gay world, I am Lesbian, I love women. better for me if a male PH is gay, more women for me.

Terry it is really incredible what a double sense word can generate, isn't it. One day I'll reopen the argument "member". In English I found that it has only one meaning, but in Italian.....................

RIP
You really need to check out his Link the sooner the better.

Aricept

Dr B

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Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:

After he has done his work he can also dress like a drag queen.

I seem to recall such a picture from one of Saeeds hunts a year or two ago.

Although it was one of the clients that dressed up in drag, and not the PH I think? But maybe the PH joined in on the act himself later in the evening? So it is clearly not unheard of. Usually though, what happens in the bush, stays in the bush, so we'll never know just how common it really is!

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Originally posted by ErikD:

quote:

Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:

After he has done his work he can also dress like a drag queen.

I seem to recall such a picture from one of Saeeds hunts a year or two ago.

Although it was one of the clients that dressed up in drag, and not the PH I think? But maybe the PH joined in on the act himself later in the evening? So it is clearly not unheard of. Usually though, what happens in the bush, stays in the bush, so we'll never know just how common it really is!

Don't be talking about Walter like that!!!

I continue to read all this stuff about Mark Sullivan and most of it is hate bull shit.
I know Mark and the members of his family. We are not pals, I have never hunted with him, I have been introduced to him and his family on several occassions. I have been in my booth across the aisle from him in Reno etc.
I wonder if any of you that put him down have ever talked to a client that has hunted with him?
I have and I have talked to some that have hunted with him more than once and NOT ONE TIME have those people said one negative thing about him or how he hunts. Now, all those clients can not be idiots and fools. They spend their hard earned dollars and have the same expectations that we do when going on safari. Some of these hunters have hunted with other PH's and yet when I know they have hunted with MS and have questioned them about it all they say is, he works hard, first class camp, you get what you go for etc. etc.
I have never hunted with him. I just hear what those that have and that I have personally encountered have to say about him. I am sure I have by no means talked to all that have gone with him but...you would think I would have picked up on some negative something even with the few I have visited with.
I think success just makes you open to cheap shots from folks that have never hunted with him.
I too would love to see you that say negative things about him say them to his face. I want to be around to see how high your ass will bounce off the floor.

I´ve never heard of Mark Sullivan!

Just one more advantage of of living near the North Pole.

Harry,

I respect your opinion. He very well may be as good a guy as some claim. I don't claim otherwise on a personal level. But you have to admit, what is said about him on public forums, etc, is strictly a result of what he puts out in the public arena, on video tape.

Being the shrewd business man I am sure he is, I doubt he takes any offence to this stuff. Controversy sells. If he hasn't intentionally created controversy by publishing those videos and by saying the bizarre things he does, then he is a first class moron cuz a baboon could have seen it coming. I sincerely doubt that is the case. He knows what a lot of people think about his videos!

Also, IMHO, once you enter the public arena you better expect practically anything. I'd be very shocked if he took personal offence at this thread.

If he didn't want people to say these things about him, he should stay the heck away from celebrity and he shouldn't publish all those things on video tape that many people find offensive to the "sport" of hunting.

Cheers,
Canuck

Surstrike

I'll I can say is that MS's clients must be getting what they want since , so far, none of them has complained. Whatever it is they want is between them and MS.

TerryR

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Originally posted by TerryR:
Surstrike

I'll I can say is that MS's clients must be getting what they want since , so far, none of them has complained. Whatever it is they want is between them and MS.

TerryR

Well stated Terry! Afterall it is their money being spent. Whom is anyone to question that?

I work only a short distance from Mark's office. I emailed him from his web site aking a couple of questions about hunting in Africa and left my cell number. He called me back and ivited me to lunch. We had a very enjoyable time and he was by all means curtious, professional and blatenly honest with his view points on certine things. He and struck me as the type of person that once he shook your hand it was set in stone. He knew I was new to the game and when I spoke about how to book hunts he never once tried to presure me in to one of his hunts. My only experiance with him was very positive and I do not aggree with most of what is said on this web about him. But that is ok we all have our own vices and less than desirable characteristics. It is very easy to assasinate others in a sterill computer enviroment like this. Fun like this with out malice is great but it should end there.

"Fresh meat!" is what MS thinks about such luncheon encounters.

Dr B,
Aricept is an old one that did very little for the patient's I have tried it on. I suspect you know about it because that is what your doctor is trying on you.

It seems to me I have heard similar rumours abot J. Taylor, MS and an un-named current PH in Zimbabewe that has a definate fan club on AR. I don't believe any of them and wouldn't care if they were true.


4656H&H

I have never heard a single bad thing about Mark Sullivan from anyone who has hunted with him, or spent time with him in person.

I have met him and spent a little time talking to him on a couple of occasions.
No doubt he treats DG hunting as an Extreme Sport.
And he is a "little colorful" in his videos.

I have never seen any indication of intentional wounding in his videos.

O.K. guys,
I got your attention, but we can drop the gay thing now. Enough of the joke.

MS has a very QUEER method of hunting, as pointed out by Saeed. MS is QUEER not gay. He is a prostitute and pimp combined for Bwanabe's. Money through degradation of the sport is all he is about.

He ought to do something different for his next video, otherwise I don't want to see another.

I suggest he butt heads with the next gut shot buffalo he offers a choice of whether to charge or flee or bleed out while cameras are rolling.

Give MS a football helmet with horns and some track shoes and see how he uses them in a real showdown with a wounded bull.

No double rifles allowed, except for the client who can decide which to shoot:

MS or the buff ... MS or the buff ... ???

I ussually try to keep out of these pissing fests, but.... Here, hopefully, is a link to a short report written by some one who hunted with MS about a month ago. I've traded e-mails with Boomer and am glad he had fun. This was his first trip to Africa and he did a lot of his research after booking the trip.

Dean

www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94712

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Originally posted by maki:
I ussually try to keep out of these pissing fests, but.... Here, hopefully, is a link to a short report written by some one who hunted with MS about a month ago. I've traded e-mails with Boomer and am glad he had fun. This was his first trip to Africa and he did a lot of his research after booking the trip.

Dean

www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94712

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Sorry but I am not going to register for the one viewing -- maybe you could summarize?

Maybe a cut and paste?

Not about to paraphrase anything on this topic, but cut and paste seems to work, just lost the photos.

First Post:

We made it back from our dream adventure, and what an adventure it was. Twice we made contact with buff a close range where we could not see them, but could hear them, smell them, and feel the ground shake when they ran. The first time was in tall grass, and Mark Sullivan's tracker Ali got us right into the middle of the herd. Just use your imagination - I was there and still can't find the words to describe it. You might see a flash of dark colored hide or a bit of horn, but other than that all you see is the grass moving. We paid for thrills and we got em. The second time was in thick bush in the evening. Light was dropping fast, and we in the thick stuff the light is all but gone - buffalo are crashing around to our front. The air is still and their grunts and bellows sound deafening. At least here I felt like I could get a shot off before I got squashed. There is nothing in this world I would trade those experiences for!

Two days later - on my birthday I might add - I got my buff on a sand river - we were up on the bank behind a curtain of grass and he was quartering towards us. I was packing a .500 double, MS tells me to grab the scoped rifle (a M-70 .375) and I shot the .375 dry on him, MS fired once after my first shot, then I swapped the .375 for the .500 and gave him two 570 gr X's which put him away. This all took less than 30 seconds. As it turned out I would not get a chance at another, but Big Mark (Sullivan was little Mark) got one with a broken horn - which makes it a cool trophy - a few days later.



I shot some plains game, but not all that my licence allowed. We saw some zebra, but I wasn't interested in shooting them or a baboon - which disappointed MS because baboons normally are only available on a 21 day licence. I passed up an opportunity at a hartebeest because I wanted to concentrate on buffalo. This was unfortunate because I would not get another chance. When you got on your safari - don't look a gift hartebeest in the mouth. First blood was on this blue wildebeest which I took at sunset on our third day.



An impala gave me an easy broadside shot, and we later cooked him whole over an open fire.



My warthog might make me famous, as MS wants to include it in his new book. I guess it will depend if a better one is taken by the time it goes to print. He was very excited with this hog - saying you could hunt the rest of your life and not find another one this good, and compared it to getting a 48" buffalo. I don't know - a to me there isn't much difference between this one and an average one, but I can tell you that there has never been pork so sweet.



I can't say enough about Mark Sullivan, Ali, or the rest of the crew. Big Mark added so much to the experience that I don't think that I will ever be able to compensate him - but perhaps I can get him up here for a moose hunt. Our 3rd night in camp there was a fire which destroyed the kitchen. These guys salvaged what they could from the flames at considerable risk I might add - and a couple of hours later we had a wildebeest feast and the fire wasn't even out yet. In fact it was still smoking pretty good the next day.


A second post:


Actually we didn't measure anything. The buff was nowhere near 40" - probably closer to 34" or 35" judging by the width of the ears, but worrying about stuff like that I think takes away from the experience. The hunting was difficult due to the long grass. We were the first clients of the year and we were the first to start any significant burning. The crew who went in early to clear trails and improve stream crossings burned a little. The clients who follow us will benefit from our labor, and those who follow them will in turn benefit. I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. I enjoy the hard hunting, and when we get the chance to return, it will again be for an early season hunt.

I think the same report with pictures was posted on NitroExpress.Com.

Edited -- thanks for the cut and paste -- it clued me in to where I had seen the report before.

Little Mark Sullivan. Precious.

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Originally posted by Allan DeGroot:
I gotta say if I paid thousands to fly to africa, thousands more to shoot a Buff or Hippo and then the guide shot before I did he'd be better off being gay as that might allow him to enjoy what I'd likely do to him with his own rifle....

And HE'd pay the godamned trophy fee
AllanD

I'll second that in seriousness, however Allan got me chuckling over that one!

Was just daydreaming over on Champlin's site and came across this:

http://www.champlinarms.com/Default.aspx?tabid=30&mid=3...s&StyleID=3&GunID=74

Any ethical hunter should shun Mark Sullivan.

In stead of putting people down just get on with your own life. Or is envy just eating you up RIP? I have know paticular allegence to Mark Sullivan but I would guess you are of very low self esteam by your constant ridicule of others.

It would be great if the topics where kept positive and informational. But what do I know I am just the new guy.

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Originally posted by 458Lottfan:
In stead of putting people down just get on with your own life. Or is envy just eating you up RIP? I have know paticular allegence to Mark Sullivan but I would guess you are of very low self esteam by your constant ridicule of others.

It would be great if the topics where kept positive and informational. But what do I know I am just the new guy.

So now you disavow MS? Good. I have succeeded.
Sometimes the truth hurts. Information is not always "positive," commercial, nor politically correct. We'll get over it.
Doin' good ain't got no end.

Have any of you guys ever had a "guide" or a PH or a friend sit there right next to you when you are getting ready to shot at a critter start the "SHOOT!" "SHOOT!" "SHOOT!" "SHOOT HIM NOW!" "SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!" "RIGHT NOW SHOOT!" routine?

I'll tell you that is the most distracting amateurish bull shit anyone can pull on a hunter getting ready to shot at game. I believe it is the cause of huge majority of the guided hunter misses out there.

I used to do this when I was a youngster and was first guiding people. I was just excited and didn't even realize I was doing it. A form of buck fever for the non shooting hunter if you will. It is the mark of an excitable amateur guide. Thankfully a good friend and mentor chewed my ass about it one day and made me realize what I was doing and how what a an amateur move it is. I am thankful to this day that he pinned me down on that horrible vice.

Have you ever listened to MS when he gets his hunter into a position to shoot? Major pee pee dance on his part. In one of his videos he is so excited for the hunter to shoot a lion he is yelling "SHOOT, SHOOT NOW, BANG, SHOOT, BANG!"

I really can't believe any pro hasn't learned not to do this. In any case someone needs to tell him. His son Shawn did the same thing in one of the videos I've seen.

Too many guides do it simply because they were taught to do it by their mentors. Last time I had somebody do it to me I calmly turned to him made eye contact and gently said, "shut the fuck up I'll shoot when I'm ready." that and a short explanation is usually enough to cure said hunter for the rest of his career.

Somebody needs to explain this to Mark. He is in far to professional a position to be pulling this cut rate amateur BS.

That is one of the things that really bothers me about his videos. I don't believe that he could have possibly apprenticed with a professional organization. They would have beaten that out of him long ago. My guess is that he is one of the $4000 instant bwanas that are all to frequent in Tanzania. One of those guys who simply paid his PH license fee to government and now he is one.

As far as his videos go they are nothing more than big game snuff flicks which are very professionally filmed and very well edited. In fact they are a much higher video and picture quality than most any other African hunting films. The content is what people find objectionable. Mark spends so much time building himself up on screen that it leaves no doubt in my mind that he is covering for some type of major insecurity. I believe that I hit it on the head with my instant bwana theory.

quote:

Originally posted by surestrike:
Have any of you guys ever had a "guide" or a PH or a friend sit there right next to you when you are getting ready to shot at a critter start the "SHOOT!" "SHOOT!" "SHOOT!" "SHOOT HIM NOW!" "SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT SHOOT!" "RIGHT NOW SHOOT!" routine?

I'll tell you that is the most distracting amateurish bull shit anyone can pull on a hunter getting ready to shot at game. I believe it is the cause of huge majority of the guided hunter misses out there.

I used to do this when I was a youngster and was first guiding people. I was just excited and didn't even realize I was doing it. A form of buck fever for the non shooting hunter if you will. It is the mark of an excitable amateur guide. Thankfully a good friend and mentor chewed my ass about it one day and made me realize what I was doing and how what a an amateur move it is. I am thankful to this day that he pinned me down on that horrible vice.

Have you ever listened to MS when he gets his hunter into a position to shoot? Major pee pee dance on his part. In one of his videos he is so excited for the hunter to shoot a lion he is yelling "SHOOT, SHOOT NOW, BANG, SHOOT, BANG!"

I really can't believe any pro hasn't learned not to do this. In any case someone needs to tell him. His son Shawn did the same thing in one of the videos I've seen.

Too many guides do it simply because they were taught to do it by their mentors. Last time I had somebody do it to me I calmly turned to him made eye contact and gently said, "shut the fuck up I'll shoot when I'm ready." that and a short explanation is usually enough to cure said hunter for the rest of his career.

Somebody needs to explain this to Mark. He is in far to professional a position to be pulling this cut rate amateur BS.

That is one of the things that really bothers me about his videos. I don't believe that he could have possibly apprenticed with a professional organization. They would have beaten that out of him long ago. My guess is that he is one of the $4000 instant bwanas that are all to frequent in Tanzania. One of those guys who simply paid his PH license fee to government and now he is one.

As far as his videos go they are nothing more than big game snuff flicks which are very professionally filmed and very well edited. In fact they are a much higher video and picture quality than most any other African hunting films. The content is what people find objectionable. Mark spends so much time building himself up on screen that it leaves no doubt in my mind that he is covering for some type of major insecurity. I believe that I hit it on the head with my instant bwana theory.

Amen. More good fuel to the fires of hell.

I have met four different hunters who hunted with Mark Sullivan. All had a great time and Sullivan did not fire a shot. All siad they would hunt with him again and in fact two had made more than one hunt with him. He may have a different side when making movies but he is not entirely as appears in film. Give the guy a break!!

Surestrike,

I didn't realize that TZN allowed people to essentially buy their PH license. Is that correct? Thought things like that mainly went on in Zim and SA.

No, it's not...... Tz has various ways to gain a PH licence - but none are easy and none can be bought....... anyone that suggests it can is talking complete nonsense. The final part of the exams is an interview with what is essentially the old EAPHA and the top echelons of the TZ hunting industry..... Fail that and you fail the entire qualification. Once qualified the PH then faces immensely severe penalties if he breaks the rules.

Zimbabwe incidentally also has extremely high requirements for qualification..... probably the highest anywhere in Africa......

Quote by Shakari:
Tz has various ways to gain a PH licence - but none are easy and none can be bought....... anyone that suggests it can is talking complete nonsense.....

As is the bulk of this trash talking topic!!
The guy makes money doing what he loves and people pay him to do it. Who cares if you don't like it. Don't spend your money with him. And move on with your your own life. It is that simple.

Dom't worry what the non-hunting public think about him. Non-hunters I know have seen my SCI magazine laying around and are repullced to no end at the thought of hunters shooting Elephants, Hippos, and large cats. I just try to explain it with out the emotional side of the brain engaged, and keep then and my self to the technical side of the procces.

It's just a thread... People have thier own opinions. That's what forums are for. The exchange of opinion and perceptions.

I doubt MS is going to lose money or clients because people here ponder his ethics or potential sexual preferences