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Originally posted by Scottyboy:
What gives? I tried to PM Vlam and it said he is not allowed private messages.. Was he banned too?

That would appear to be the case.

For thanksgiving we had turkey.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
For thanksgiving we had turkey.

Cooked by your good self, I hope.

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Originally posted by Jack D Bold:

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Originally posted by MacD37:

Mark Sullivan asside, talk about cussing a man in his own livingroom...................!

IMO, which means nothing to anyone but me, I was always tought that if you don't like the host simply don't go to the party!

Mac, I have always viewed your posts with great respect. You are a fine statesman, and if I may, a leading reason this site is as informative as it is.

This is the one time I have a cause to disagree with you. If we do not question leadership, we become sheep-like. You know what happens to sheep.

Not much I can do personally on a larger level, such as the two socialists we vote into the senate. But on a personal level, I can accomplish much when not succumbing to group-think. I can and do make a difference in my family, scout troop, and church groups. Those impacts can ge greatly diffused if I blindly agree with "leadership".

Another good point raised by Vlam is that our host has a much greater responsibility to the contributors, and the public. Too many posts conforming to a point of view just because of who said it. I will take a stand and think for myself. Vlam's post will definitely put the spot light on that perspective.

A cogent, dissenting point of view is a very useful tool. I hope to see more.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Jack De Bold, thank you for the kind words, and I have zero concern with you are anyone else disagreeing with my opinion on any subject. Nobody will agree with everyone on all subjects, that is simply human nature, but disagreeing like a HUMAN rather than an badger accomplishes far more positive results IMO!

I have no problem disagreeing with anyone on this website or any other one, or their disagreeing with me! Saeed has no power over me, so IMO questioning the "LEADERSHIP" doesn't apply here because AR is not the only website on the internet, and I can simply go elsewhere if I'm not welcome here. It is easy to get tough from a keyboard,but proves nothing!

I was not, nor do I cower to anyone here or anyplace else. My opinion of Vlam's post would have been the same if it had not been Saeed, but you or anyone else here or anyplace else. My opinion on Vlam's post was not that he disagreed with Saeed, but the very personal nature of the post. IMO when a thread digresses to name calling, and attacking another poster's family, that poster has gone too far. I'm a very private person, and I simply do not allow anyone to include my family into the discussions here, nor do I do so whith others.

As I said these street fights do nothing positive for our cause, and there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the host, I do it often, but I never include a man's family in my response to someone I disagree with and it makes no difference if it is Saeed or anyone else. It quite easy to disagree without being disagreeable in the process. Some plain old good manners and a little decorum in a disagreement accomplishes a whole lot more IMO, than bug-eyed anger and attacking a man's character, rather than his opinion of a subject I disagree with!

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Originally posted by John Frederick:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
For thanksgiving we had turkey.

Cooked by your good self, I hope.

I did not give it the option of how it wanted to die.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by John Frederick:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
For thanksgiving we had turkey.

Cooked by your good self, I hope.

I did not give it the option of how it wanted to die.

Hand to wing combat I presume?

So was Vlam banned??? Pretty ridiculous if so.

Brett

Cleathorn,

Thanks for the reply. It confirmed my suspicion that you have an enormous ego and an over-blown view of self that rivals any on AR, and there are some beauts on here.

Also, your math skills are lacking. Since you registered under your current name in Oct, 2009, your comment that you have posted to AR over the past 2-3 years is inconsistent. That is unless you've used multiple names, which would not surprise me in the least. It is not the first inconsistency in your post history.

Unlike most internet forums, AR provides all members with an IGNORE option; you are now in my IGNORE file. Congratulations!

Have a happy life with yourself.

I love it when posters give you notice that they have put you on Ignore.

Sorry to digress from the subject of banning, manners, etc. However, I do have a serious question about Mr. Sullivan.

Someone said that on this thread that Mr. Sullivan had lost his concession in TZ. Is that true? I was always under the impression that he subleased from others.

He sub-leased concessions or purchased quota and booked camps from concession holders

Thank you sir. That is what I thought.

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Originally posted by MacD37:

I was not, nor do I cower to anyone here or anyplace else. My opinion of Vlam's post would have been the same if it had not been Saeed, but you are anyone else here or anyplace else. My opinion on Vlam's post was not that he disagreed with Saeed, but the very personal nature of the post. IMO when a thread digresses to name calling, and attacking another poster's family, that poster has gone too far. I'm a very private person, and I simply do not allow anyone to include my family into the discussions here, nor do I do so whith others.

As I said these street fights do nothing positive for our cause, and there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the host, I do it often, but I never include a man's family in my response to someone I disagree with and it makes no difference if it is Saeed or anyone else. It quite easy to disagree without being disagreeable in the process. Some plain old good manners and a little decorum in a disagreement accomplishes a whole lot more IMO, than bug-eyed anger and attacking a man's character, rather than his opinion of one subject I disagree with!

Mac, thanks for the thoughtful post. You are right again.

On my first past through Vlam's post, I only got as far as the SCI and MS bashing. Made up my mind right there.

Vlam's other baseless allegations are inappropriate. My apologies to all for the appearance of endorsing them. This is just the kind of "it was on the net so it must me true" mindlessness which I oppose.

Someone said it earlier, MS really brings out the worst in some of us. I am done with it.

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
So was Vlam banned??? Pretty ridiculous if so.

Brett

Has he?....wondering why ? - I guess he ridiculed the wrong man.

MacD37:

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It quite easy to disagree without being disagreeable in the process. Some plain old good manners and a little decorum in a disagreement accomplishes a whole lot more IMO, than bug-eyed anger and attacking a man's character, rather than his opinion of one subject I disagree with!

Sage words of a Gentleman!

Sadly there are quite a few posters on AR who tend to get carried away with some 'loose-lipped' expressions and defensively claim 'freedom of speech' to exonerate them from their actions.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
MacD37:

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It quite easy to disagree without being disagreeable in the process. Some plain old good manners and a little decorum in a disagreement accomplishes a whole lot more IMO, than bug-eyed anger and attacking a man's character, rather than his opinion of one subject I disagree with!

Sage words of a Gentleman!

Sadly there are quite a few posters on AR who tend to get carried away with some 'loose-lipped' expressions and defensively claim 'freedom of speech' to exonerate them from their actions.

Indeed. The tone of some of the responses by a few of the posters is, quite frankly, over the top. I guess it is a combination of two things, people seem to act badly on the internet more frequently as studies have shown, and because society as a whole has changed and people just tend to be rude. They are abusive and insulting because in most instances these days there are no consequences for rude behaviour.

A little civility goes a long way. The posters who attack like a rabid skunk without provocation are speaking volumes about their real character.

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Originally posted by Skyline:
A little civility goes a long way. The posters who attack like a rabid skunk without provocation are speaking volumes about their real character.

Ain't that the truth!

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Originally posted by Brett Adam Barringer:
So was Vlam banned??? Pretty ridiculous if so.

Brett

I guess a lack of future postings will answer the question.

Given that one is unable to send him a PM, it would appear that he got the chop.

I guess you need to be careful about whose toes you tread on.

We had Turkey too.

Rich

Some thoughts: I cannot comment on MS but I am still wondering what drives hunters to be a star on a video? IMHO all that video crap on the internet is not good for us because it emphasizes a kind of pseudo heroism which might please the actors but this is not hunting but ego. And I can unserstand the antis that they do not have sympathy for that. In a nutshell: hunting videos etc. are more damaging than helpful.

I have experience regarding
internet/TV "hunting" shows. You would not believe what "really" happens before editing etc. All the guides would end up hating seeing a video camera, and the hunting methods and techniques are less than ideal in my relevant case. The individuals in this case were lass than stellar hunters. The drive and motivation are questionable at best. Cannot say about this the original subject of this post, but I have seen it first hand. Alot of animals suffered for a good video shot, and most were canned in anycase. I don't watch many hunting shows anymore. Just saying. But there must be some good profit in it, but you just can't tell what you are seeing in the internet/digital age.

Ohh, another MS thread...

Shit.. Im out of popcorn!!!

Does anyone knoiw the contact numbers of Mark Sullivan?

I wish to book a cape buff hunt with him. It has been a dream of mine to hunt with him and learn from the best. A legend.

dale

Andrew,
Did the Pilgrims also go to the Kafue?

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Originally posted by daleW:
Does anyone knoiw the contact numbers of Mark Sullivan?

I wish to book a cape buff hunt with him. It has been a dream of mine to hunt with him and learn from the best. A legend.

dale

Here you are Dale.

Have a great time, and make sure "the best" does not shoot all your animals for!

Rumor has it that he also offers to shoot all your trophies for you, while you remain in camp. He would shoot all your "trophies" for you without requiring you to leave home, but apparently the laws in Tanzania require you to be in Tanzania to shoot any animals

http://www.nitroexpresssafaris.com/

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by daleW:
Does anyone knoiw the contact numbers of Mark Sullivan?

I wish to book a cape buff hunt with him. It has been a dream of mine to hunt with him and learn from the best. A legend.

dale

Here you are Dale.

Have a great time, and make sure "the best" does not shoot all your animals for!

Rumor has it that he also offers to shoot all your trophies for you, while you remain in camp. He would shoot all your "trophies" for you without requiring you to leave home, but apparently the laws in Tanzania require you to be in Tanzania to shoot any animals

http://www.nitroexpresssafaris.com/

I understand that there are many, many 'clients' that spend there safaris in their tents.

Sometimes they spend the time entertaining their nieces.

Always rumors, never facts whether, MS, SCI or several other topics here.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
I have experience regarding
internet/TV "hunting" shows. You would not believe what "really" happens before editing etc. All the guides would end up hating seeing a video camera, and the hunting methods and techniques are less than ideal in my relevant case. The individuals in this case were lass than stellar hunters. The drive and motivation are questionable at best. Cannot say about this the original subject of this post, but I have seen it first hand. Alot of animals suffered for a good video shot, and most were canned in anycase. I don't watch many hunting shows anymore. Just saying. But there must be some good profit in it, but you just can't tell what you are seeing in the internet/digital age.

Well I have been involved with plenty of different hunt show filming and that doesnt sound like any hunt we've ever had filmed or been associated with.

Maybe you are talking about something in Africa??

Somewhere there is a video clip of me doing a Mark Sullivan. A full blown hell raising charge that makes anything that he has done look like a child's tea party.

I have been charged by Lion, Buffalo and Hippo but it had to be a bloody Duiker that caught me out on film. To make it worse you can hear the camera lady laughing.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Somewhere there is a video clip of me doing a Mark Sullivan. A full blown hell raising charge that makes anything that he has done look like a child's tea party.

I have been charged by Lion, Buffalo and Hippo but it had to be a bloody Duiker that caught me out on film. To make it worse you can hear the camera lady laughing.

Massive shin wounds?

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Originally posted by John Frederick:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Somewhere there is a video clip of me doing a Mark Sullivan. A full blown hell raising charge that makes anything that he has done look like a child's tea party.

I have been charged by Lion, Buffalo and Hippo but it had to be a bloody Duiker that caught me out on film. To make it worse you can hear the camera lady laughing.

Massive shin wounds?

Could get you in the nuts could it not??

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Always rumors, never facts whether, MS, SCI or several other topics here.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

The sad parts about some rumors are that they do become true.

Remember the rumors about Out of Africa a few years ago?

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Posted 29 November 2010 06:09 Hide Post
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Originally posted by daleW:
Does anyone knoiw the contact numbers of Mark Sullivan?

I wish to book a cape buff hunt with him. It has been a dream of mine to hunt with him and learn from the best. A legend.

dale


Here you are Dale.

Have a great time, and make sure "the best" does not shoot all your animals for!

Rumor has it that he also offers to shoot all your trophies for you, while you remain in camp. He would shoot all your "trophies" for you without requiring you to leave home, but apparently the laws in Tanzania require you to be in Tanzania to shoot any animals

http://www.nitroexpresssafaris.com/

www.accuratereloading.com

Sullivan will hunt for you and take your trophies? This will be a better safari than I would expect. Do you think Sullivan get all my animals in a seven day hunt?


dale

MS always generates so much debate.

1. Guys that watch an entertainment video and conclude every safari hunt MUST be like that.

2. Always mention of un-substantiated doings from one source but never any real proof or any real detail.

3. Sometimes a client of MS's pipes up and gives FIRST HAND knowledge of how they had a good time, shot all their own trophies etc etc. But they are almost always ignored in the hub drub.

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Originally posted by NitroX:
MS always generates so much debate.

1. Guys that watch an entertainment video and conclude every safari hunt MUST be like that.

2. Always mention of un-substantiated doings from one source but never any real proof or any real detail.

3. Sometimes a client of MS's pipes up and gives FIRST HAND knowledge of how they had a good time, shot all their own trophies etc etc. But they are almost always ignored in the hub drub.

+1

Yep! Same old......

Brett

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by John Frederick:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Somewhere there is a video clip of me doing a Mark Sullivan. A full blown hell raising charge that makes anything that he has done look like a child's tea party.

I have been charged by Lion, Buffalo and Hippo but it had to be a bloody Duiker that caught me out on film. To make it worse you can hear the camera lady laughing.

Massive shin wounds?

Could get you in the nuts could it not??

If it jumped!!!

Brett

I think that a forum has always to advocate the freedom of expression inside the respect to the others. Mr. Vlam has exercised this right and I believe that it has not insulted Mr. Saeed. He has thought, as Mr. Saeed, has done on the way of hunting of him. I believe that it was in his legitimate right. In my humble opinion, I consider more fighter approaching the animal to knock down it, that to do a shot at big distance. I believe that with that I make it quite clear and show my support to MS.

Greetings,

Oscar.

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Originally posted by ovny:
I think that a forum has always to advocate the freedom of expression inside the respect to the others. Mr. Vlam has exercised this right and I believe that it has not insulted Mr. Saeed. He has thought, as Mr. Saeed, has done on the way of hunting of him. I believe that it was in his legitimate right. In my humble opinion, I consider more fighter approaching the animal to knock down it, that to do a shot at big distance. I believe that with that I make it quite clear and show my support to MS.

Greetings,

Oscar.

I don't agree Oscar. I think if I invited someone to have dinner with me, we could respectfully disagree and remain friends.

If, on the other hand, he did or said something that I felt was disrespectful, particularly if it was done publically and challenged my integrity, I don't think i would invite him back to my table. This is Saeed's table, after all.

I don't agree with everyone on every topic and I actually like Mark Sullivan (and therefore my position and opinion is contrary to Saeed's) but there is a difference between disagreeing and disparaging someone. Vlam, in my opinion, crossed that line in a big way.

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

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Originally posted by ovny:
I think that a forum has always to advocate the freedom of expression inside the respect to the others. Mr. Vlam has exercised this right and I believe that it has not insulted Mr. Saeed. He has thought, as Mr. Saeed, has done on the way of hunting of him. I believe that it was in his legitimate right. In my humble opinion, I consider more fighter approaching the animal to knock down it, that to do a shot at big distance. I believe that with that I make it quite clear and show my support to MS.

Greetings,

Oscar.

I don't agree Oscar. I think if I invited someone to have dinner with me, we could respectfully disagree and remain friends.

If, on the other hand, he did or said something that I felt was disrespectful, particularly if it was done publically and challenged my integrity, I don't think i would invite him back to my table. This is Saeed's table, after all.

I don't agree with everyone on every topic and I actually like Mark Sullivan (and therefore my position and opinion is contrary to Saeed's) but there is a difference between disagreeing and disparaging someone. Vlam, in my opinion, crossed that line in a big way.

Hello, I agree with you in whom it is not necessary to offend anybody. Perhaps I have not judged the intervention of Mr. Vlam as an affront to Mr. Saeed, but surely if Mr. Vlam had the intention of offending Mr. Saeed the duty to be an object of a reproach, and I must forgive before the offended one. Perhaps I have not seen this affront for the translation offered by the google or perhaps because I have not considered his opinion to be an affront. If I have been wrong I apologize that since I am very grateful to Mr. Saeed for the forum, and for all his reportages and DVDs. The fact that it and I have different points of view on Mr. Mark Sullivan is not an impediment so that I admire also Mr. Saeed.

A greeting,

Oscar.

Does anyone know for sure if Vlam got the chop.