2x 293grn 9.3mm RWS TUG Bullets recovered from a Eland Bull.
1x 286grn 9.3mm Woodleigh round nose recovered from Lion.
1X 286GRN 9.3mm Woodleigh Protected Point recovered from another Eland Bull,
1x 320grn 9.3mm Woodleigh solid recovered from another Eland Bull (the only 320gner not to exit).
2x 500grn 470NE Woodleigh solids recovered from Two Elephant.
1x 258grn 9.3mm RWS H-Mantle recovered from Waterbuck Bull.

ozhunter

Good photos and good recoveries.

However recovered bullets tell only part of the story.

My question would be, How did the wound channels and penetration compare between the different 9,3 bullets?

450,
As you know the German Bullets and the Woodleighs have a soft top section to create the damage ether by Shrapnel or flaring shards with the back three quarters creating the channel and penetration.
IMO, These types of soft are good for all but the biggest game.
The solids are just typical of the great Woodleigh.

Those Woodleighs sure look tough!

ozhunter

Since you have used both the TUG and the Woodleigh in the 9,3, which do you think is the superior bullet, and if you feel one is better than the other, by what margin and why?

N E 450 No2,

The part of the story that recovered bullets tell is: The animal was dead enough to get the bullet! So, unless multiple recovered bullets from one animal, it is a good story!

In good hunting,

Andrew McLaren

N E 450 No2
I used 293grs Tug bullet in 9.3x62, and I recovered one from a blesbock, it was like the second from right in the line above.

I shooted at the blesbock that was about 200meters far away, I hitted it at the shoulder knoking it down definitively.

When skined the blesbock we found the bullet in a large area where the meat was like jelly or gelatine, the frontal part was literally exploded and we found fragment everywhere.

I don't know what could be happen if I shooted it on a gamsbock. For theese animals I used Nosler Partition, and I recovered two bullets. I forgot to ask to search and recover the third. The fourth in the lungs passed trough.
Two interesting things: three bullets on four have been retained and did not pass through, the bullets lost about 30grs of weight.

I tested 9.3 286grs Wooodleight, I found them very interesting, but then I did not have occasion to buy more and for this reason I did not used them in Africa, but to give my personal placing on 9.3 bullets that I used, for plains game hunts Nosler Partition, Woodleigh RN, RWS DK, RWS HMantel, RWS TUG.

In Europe I never recovered any 9.3 bullet, and TUG bullets have always worked in a wonderfull way.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
ozhunter

Since you have used both the TUG and the Woodleigh in the 9,3, which do you think is the superior bullet, and if you feel one is better than the other, by what margin and why?

I would prefer the Woodleigh RN Softs for light bodied animals such as Wild Pigs, Leopard and on up to Lion and think the TUGs with often full penetration are great for game around Zebra size.
For Eland and Buff, I love the A-Frames for the soft.

Steve
Thanks for the info.

Andrew, the reason I ask about performance is that some people do not reload, and are alway asking what factory bullet they should use.

I have used the 286 Woodleigh Soft and the 286 Nosler Partition on many animals, always with excellent results.

I have used the 293gr TUG only once, with excellent results as well, but I am always looking for more info.

ozhunter

Thanks for the information.

I have shot quite a bit of plainsgame with the standard 286gr Woodleigh RN Soft and the 286 Nosler Partition. This includes about 25 zebra.
I also shot a cape buff with the Woodleigh soft.

I think I like the Woodleigh Soft best, but cannot really say why. The Nosler may just give a little deeper penetration.

Both kill very well even on smaller game like impala, jackel, klipspringer, and deer, pigs and black bear in the States [and bear in Canada].

Based on the one deer I took with the 293gr TUG I think it will outpenetrate the other two.

I plan on shooting some more deer and pigs with it in the near future.

NE 450 No2 - I have used TUG exclusively in both 9,3's (62 and 74R) - shot through both shoulders is a norm on red deer - elk sized animals and brown bears) based on my experience and (some friends also) TUG outpenetrates TSX in 9,3x62/74R - I got bored with them and went looking for something else, just to be back and use them still.

Here is a pic from impala shot with 9,3x62 100m - lengthwise from behind (through the thigh bone - bullet was recovered in the wind pipe), we found tiny fragments of front part dispersed in the paunch, ram went straight down:



I got exactly the same result with 9,3x74R - shot red deer calf (40 kg critter) exactly the same way as impala - lost bullet somewhere tho...

Here is latest red calf exit with TUG 9,3x74R - entry between neck and left shoulder - through upper part of heart - dropped in tracks :



Exit as seen is the biggest you can expect - it hapens somewhere between 10 - 15 inches deep - later on with bigger critters (stag, brown bear...) exit wound shrinks to a caliber size. PH - friend of mine that has shot 120+ brown bears with clients swear by them...

I wrote more in this post. I guess Mr. Brenneke knew what he was doing.

I'm rebucking myself because I do not remember where I put them and still did not do photos.

The tugs are great bullets and kill well, reminesent of a Nosler when it blows off the front portion. some call that a failure and wouldn't like the tugs..but they both are excellent bullets...

I have always been a Woodleigh fan and use them a lot...

The best perfect mushrooming bullet, if that is what you like, is without a doubt the North Fork they all look textbook and I mean all of them..I have recovered so many of them that I don't think they can be ruined too much, they are almost boring in thier expanded results. I have reached the point of not even digging for them anymore because I know what I am going to find...not good for an old bullet digger like myself that likes to get in the gore and mix it!

Hi
Nobody is using SWIFT pt bullets? it seems they are very good on heavy animals.
regards
yes

On my first trip to Zim I shot a few impala facing directly toward me and directly away from me with bothe the 286 Woodleigh Soft and the 286 Nosler Partition.

I got complete pass throughs in all cases.

The PH was impressed.

I also have some Hornady factory 9,3 ammo that I will be testing as well as some Norma Oryx.

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Originally posted by yes:
Hi
Nobody is using SWIFT pt bullets? it seems they are very good on heavy animals.

regards
yes

My favorite buffalo and Eland soft.